Italian Cruise Line disaster

JLM

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If not for the courage of that fearless Captain, the minnow would have been lost.



He was arrested and charged with manslaughter. Also leaving a ship without fully accounting for all passengers. While maritime law does not require that he go down with the vessel, he is required to account for passengers before leaving it. He did not do so as he fled well before most of the people had been rescued by other civilians.

It was just a slight error, in the panic and confusion he got to thinking he was supposed to leave the ship first instead of last. I'm sure he'll get it right next time. I'm not quite sure how the manslaughter charge is going to fly, I'm guessing it won't but I think negligence causing death wouldn't be unreasonable. He may have some tough explaining at his next job interview.
 

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If not for the courage of that fearless Captain, the minnow would have been lost.



He was arrested and charged with manslaughter. Also leaving a ship without fully accounting for all passengers. While maritime law does not require that he go down with the vessel, he is required to account for passengers before leaving it. He did not do so as he fled well before most of the people had been rescued by other civilians.
I got more news from you than the news agencies. Didn't see anything reported about him leaving early.
 

bill barilko

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Some of you guys need to renew your news sources-his quick exit is all over the Beeb & other euro news.

In the interview it's easy to see El Capitan through his teeth ('we were last to leave the ship') lying but that's what his lawyer wants him to do-lie & lie & lie so the govt has to prove everything.
 

Kreskin

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Is his quick exit subject to a manslaughter charge? Somehow that connection doesn't seem right.
 

bill barilko

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Is his quick exit subject to a manslaughter charge? Somehow that connection doesn't seem right.
Who knows what's what under Italian Maritime Law the system is quite different there.

One thing for sure-the cruise industry worldwide want to see this guy charged for something serious-they'll be leaning on all & sundry to see him locked up and seen to be locked up.
 

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Who knows what's what under Italian Maritime Law the system is quite different there.

One thing for sure-the cruise industry worldwide want to see this guy charged for something serious-they'll be leaning on all & sundry to see him locked up and seen to be locked up.

I wouldn't hold my breath, a guy can get "sick" on a minute's notice! Probably won't be over in my lifetime. :smile:
 

Kreskin

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Who knows what's what under Italian Maritime Law the system is quite different there.

One thing for sure-the cruise industry worldwide want to see this guy charged for something serious-they'll be leaning on all & sundry to see him locked up and seen to be locked up.
I was wondering if anyone knew why he is being accused of manslaughter. The news reports I read didn't have any explanation. Was it his guidance of the ship into the rocks? Not having anyone in the bridge? Having an accident then trying to save your own life isn't manslaughter.
 

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I was wondering if anyone knew why he is being accused of manslaughter. The news reports I read didn't have any explanation. Was it his guidance of the ship into the rocks? Not having anyone in the bridge? Having an accident then trying to save your own life isn't manslaughter.

Yeah, that's not going to "fly".
 

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Considering the way things ended up, only a few deaths is a pretty positive result.
 

#juan

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I suppose, although the relatives might not agree! :smile:

Yeah, and we have to remember that fourteen people are still missing.

Looking at the underwater photos, what I found incredulous was the amount of damage to the ship. It is torn to rat**** and I can't see any way of re-floating it any time soon.
 

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Yeah, and we have to remember that fourteen people are still missing.

Looking at the underwater photos, what I found incredulous was the amount of damage to the ship. It is torn to rat**** and I can't see any way of re-floating it any time soon.

Yeah, they'll probably have to nail a few sheets of plywood over the hole!
 

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I was wondering if anyone knew why he is being accused of manslaughter. The news reports I read didn't have any explanation. Was it his guidance of the ship into the rocks? Not having anyone in the bridge? Having an accident then trying to save your own life isn't manslaughter.

I would assume it's because he was the captain, he was in charge, and crashing the ship into rocks that he claims aren't on nautical charts resulted in deaths.

So he is responsible for the deaths.
 

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I was wondering if anyone knew why he is being accused of manslaughter. The news reports I read didn't have any explanation. Was it his guidance of the ship into the rocks? Not having anyone in the bridge? Having an accident then trying to save your own life isn't manslaughter.

It's being translated as manslaughter who knows what the formal definition is under Italian law in the Italian language-that's the name of the language they speak in Italy.
 

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Yeah, they'll probably have to nail a few sheets of plywood over the hole!

How about three hundred sheets of plywood....:smile:

Seriously, the ship is lying on the rocks that killed her. Maybe they can make it a very large reef
for scuba divers....:roll:
 

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I would assume it's because he was the captain, he was in charge, and crashing the ship into rocks that he claims aren't on nautical charts resulted in deaths.

So he is responsible for the deaths.

I suspect that is right, but perhaps there was a misprint in the tide tables! :smile:
 

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I understand that the ship was something like 10 km off its normal course.

of course the captain has the final responsibility, BUT he has many others around him, with eyes, so they
surely must have 'eye balled' the situation well before the accident and realized they were dangerously
close to shore, and definitely off course, and at some point it is impossible to get back on course
before disaster. How the hell could a group of people 'all' be that careless, someone had to start
asking questions long before the ship hit the rocks.

And, where was everyone who has responsibility in that area, will we ever know.

This thing about the captain leaving the ship before all passengers were in a safe area is rather
sketchy. The ship wasn't going to sink, it was on the bottom allready, so without just being emotional,
and using the old saying, that the captain goes down with the ship, well, he did, so maybe he was just
following orders from his bosses, or?
 

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The news I'm getting from European sources is that the Captain wanted to do a favour for the head waiter, who comes from that little island, by giving him a closer than usual view of his home on the way by. So they turned off the autopilot, which would normally have kept the vessel a kilometer from shore, sailed in too close, and hit reefs that are well known, to the locals at least, about 100 meters offshore. So, not following procedure (no autopilot), sailing outside the approved shipping channel, six dead, 60-some injured, loss of the vessel... I think our laws would call that criminal negligence causing death.