Israeli airstrike slaughters children
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juan, it is nessecary to bomb power plants (the fuel tanks were at the power plant, but they are good targets as well.)
An army can't fight without energy, if you want to win a war the best way to do it is to ensure the enemy doesn't have the resourses to continue fighting.
Or would you prefer that more thousands of innocents die because hezbollah remains strong throughout this entire ordeal?
An army can't fight without energy, if you want to win a war the best way to do it is to ensure the enemy doesn't have the resourses to continue fighting.
Or would you prefer that more thousands of innocents die because hezbollah remains strong throughout this entire ordeal?
The low number of Israeli casualties illustrates how totally incompetent the Arabs are. They lob over 2500 rockets at Israeli towns, trying to kill as many women and children and the results are pathetic (happily for the Israelis). The Arab culture is a breeding gound for nincompoops and basketcases.
Where do you find this hogwash you type? The Hiezbollah at the front lines, sending off their makeshift rockets probably don't even know the power is off. The power plant bombing, and the bombing of bridges was against civilian infrastructure. Nothing more. The world should expect Istael to clean up their oil mess and bring the beaches back to their original state. Shouldn't be too expensive though, just about every penny the Israelis have spent, came out of American pockets
Oh, come on Juan. You're an ex-military man. You know better than that.
Hezbollah has to move launchers and bring in new missiles. Not only that, they have to move troops and other munitions. This is done by truck. Every bridge the Israeli's destroy creates more of a bottle neck at feasible crossings, slows delivery of munitions, makes targeting easier. Likewise destroying fueling points.
Absolutely basic tactics.
Hezbollah has to move launchers and bring in new missiles. Not only that, they have to move troops and other munitions. This is done by truck. Every bridge the Israeli's destroy creates more of a bottle neck at feasible crossings, slows delivery of munitions, makes targeting easier. Likewise destroying fueling points.
Absolutely basic tactics.
#juan said:
We can also ask back the $70 billion given to the Egyptians because they decided peace was the best way. Why do I have to pay for that?
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If Jaun says he is ex-miilitary then he wasn't in the army I was in. Fighting a war is about infrastructure, supply lines, mobility, etc. It's about knocking out fuel supplies, communications and everything else needed. Those Hezbolla fighters are reduced to blind idiots who are more and more isolated and if not easy, then 'easier', piles of sh!t for the Israelis to shovel up.
And, of course, unlike the Arabs the Israelis aren't stupid. One reason the Lebanese army is sidelined is because Israel has effectively immobilized it from the start. The Lebanese army has been taken out of the picture regardless of how much hysterical jumping up and down the Arabs do.
Colpy said:
If Jaun says he is ex-miilitary then he wasn't in the army I was in. Fighting a war is about infrastructure, supply lines, mobility, etc. It's about knocking out fuel supplies, communications and everything else needed. Those Hezbolla fighters are reduced to blind idiots who are more and more isolated and if not easy, then 'easier', piles of sh!t for the Israelis to shovel up.
And, of course, unlike the Arabs the Israelis aren't stupid. One reason the Lebanese army is sidelined is because Israel has effectively immobilized it from the start. The Lebanese army has been taken out of the picture regardless of how much hysterical jumping up and down the Arabs do.
Before you two break an arm patting yourselves on the back.
Lebanon doesn't really have an army EG. They have no armour. They have no Artillery. The have no Air Force to speak of.
The Hezbollah has a few small arms and a number of ex-Russian Katyusha unguided rockets they got from Iran. Hezbollah has marginall increased the range of these rockets by reducing the payload.(reducing the size of the warhead) Less weight, more distance, to a point.
Remember when this massive Israeli retaliation was for the Hezbollah capturing two Israeli soldiers? I didn't believe it then , and I don't believe it now.
Israel has flattened every thing they could hit, including that UN observation post, and the oil tanks they did such a great job on.
Lebanon doesn't really have an army EG. They have no armour. They have no Artillery. The have no Air Force to speak of.
The Hezbollah has a few small arms and a number of ex-Russian Katyusha unguided rockets they got from Iran. Hezbollah has marginall increased the range of these rockets by reducing the payload.(reducing the size of the warhead) Less weight, more distance, to a point.
Remember when this massive Israeli retaliation was for the Hezbollah capturing two Israeli soldiers? I didn't believe it then , and I don't believe it now.
Israel has flattened every thing they could hit, including that UN observation post, and the oil tanks they did such a great job on.
#juan said:
Where was that lovely list of missiles you had posted?
On the news a day or two ago they were talking about the more advanced Iranian missiles Hezbollah was using.......that nobody knew they had. Good payload, very much increased range over the Katyusha missles.
Something-5s as I remember.
Why Must The Right Wing
Sound So Brutally Stupid?
By John Chuckman
31 July, 2006
Countercurrents.org
Just when I thought he had shown a glimmer of statesmanship, Stephen Harper, Canada's prime minister courtesy of just over one-third of the vote, reverted to character. Following Israel's apparently-deliberate targeting of four UN observers in Lebanon, including one Canadian, Harper thought it appropriate to ask, not why Israel killed them, but why the observers were there?
His inspired question reminded me of nothing so much as a rape-case lawyer attacking the victim with questions along the lines of why was she in such a place? at such a time? wearing such a dress?
Condoleezza Rice, Bush's official idiot-savant, gave us a memorable quote last week concerning Israeli barbarism in Lebanon: "We are witnessing the birth pangs of a new Middle East." I wonder what would have been press reaction in America to some high official saying, as the World Trade Center toppled in flames, "We are witnessing the birth pangs of a new America"?
Of course, Condi was keeping her eyes on the big picture, as she tends to do, the picture as viewed from high above the earth where human beings become unseen bacilli in a vast fabric of coastlines and geometric patterns, not close-up where you can distinguish blood-spattered ruins and childrens' limbs snapped like broken bird wings.
You might want to ask Condi why America's murderous assault on Vietnam, where it dropped more bombs than in World War Two, was such a miserable failure rather than the birth of anything? Or why Baghdad, after experiencing American Shock and Awe, has sewers that work only to catch run-off blood from the streets? Perhaps Condi would say they just needed a little topping-up on the bombing to complete the miracle of birth?
Her words came near to the time an Israeli source explained to the world that Israeli pilots were operating now on the principle that ten Beirut apartment blocks would be bombed for every Hezbollah missile launched. A few days after, an Israeli pilot struck gold, killing fifty-seven civilians, including thirty-seven children.
From Israel, came only Goebbels-speak: Hezbollah always hides in just such places. Left unasked and unanswered in the soulless repetitions of this point is: then what kind of a human being would still fire on them?
Israel insists that Hezbollah's missiles are a horror not to be endured.
I'll remind readers that Hezbollah's main "missile" is the Katyusha artillery rocket, not a missile at all, because it is not guided. The Katyusha was designed to be fired in large barrages from mobile, multi-tube launchers to blanket an area, but Hezbollah does not posses these - they would quickly be destroyed if they did - and uses Katyushas as single-launch rockets. Used this way, the Katyusha is a glorified firework, totally inaccurate with a short range and a small explosive charge. Ninety-nine percent of these "missiles" land in the desert or on garage roofs or in parking lots. The few times they have killed anyone were accidents.
Hezbollah has managed to fire a few clusters now in response to Israel's horrific bombardment, but apart from one dramatic incident, killing eight, they have killed few Israelis. We have heard a great deal about a new longer-range rocket, but this is just a bigger Katyusha with a bigger warhead. It also is totally inaccurate.
By comparison, Israel drops 500-pound, high-explosive bombs which are deadly accurate, being hooked into American satellite-guidance systems. It drops them from some of the world's most sophisticated fighter-bombers. An order of American 5000-pound, "bunker-busting," laser-guided bombs was rushed recently to Israel to help in the good work. Israel also uses American Hellfire missiles, mounted on helicopters or fighter planes. These really are missiles, highly accurate, in the slick words of their manufacturer's sales pitch, they feature "dual warheads for defeating reactive armor, electro-optical countermeasures hardening, semi-active laser seeker, and a programmable auto-pilot for trajectory shaping."
Israel uses some of the world's best long-range artillery pieces, and it fills their breeches with deadly depleted-uranium shells which bring the added gift of long-lived vaporized uranium after exploding. It uses American cluster bombs, the horrible things that dismembered or crippled thousands of Iraqi children. And it now appears to be using the white-phosphorus shells or bombs Americans used in Fallujah to burn flesh in much the same way they used napalm in Vietnam.
Tony Blair, known to Bush insiders as Fluffy the toy poodle, made a showy trip to Washington about his concern over events in the Middle East, the concern apparently focusing on a revolt by his own cabinet. As usual, he got nothing from Bush, except the honor of standing at a podium next to America's first certified-moron president. Blair also got to do a little choreographed turn with Bush at the end of the press conference, allowing the pair to stride out with a ceremonial flourish after somber moments of saying nothing.
British journalists apparently miffed the American crowd because they didn't follow the mindless ritual of standing up when the president is announced, it not being the practice to stand for Blair in London. Even worse perhaps was one British journalist's description of the event as a "press availability" rather than a press conference. It was undoubtedly the most informative comment of the week.
Sound So Brutally Stupid?
By John Chuckman
31 July, 2006
Countercurrents.org
Just when I thought he had shown a glimmer of statesmanship, Stephen Harper, Canada's prime minister courtesy of just over one-third of the vote, reverted to character. Following Israel's apparently-deliberate targeting of four UN observers in Lebanon, including one Canadian, Harper thought it appropriate to ask, not why Israel killed them, but why the observers were there?
His inspired question reminded me of nothing so much as a rape-case lawyer attacking the victim with questions along the lines of why was she in such a place? at such a time? wearing such a dress?
Condoleezza Rice, Bush's official idiot-savant, gave us a memorable quote last week concerning Israeli barbarism in Lebanon: "We are witnessing the birth pangs of a new Middle East." I wonder what would have been press reaction in America to some high official saying, as the World Trade Center toppled in flames, "We are witnessing the birth pangs of a new America"?
Of course, Condi was keeping her eyes on the big picture, as she tends to do, the picture as viewed from high above the earth where human beings become unseen bacilli in a vast fabric of coastlines and geometric patterns, not close-up where you can distinguish blood-spattered ruins and childrens' limbs snapped like broken bird wings.
You might want to ask Condi why America's murderous assault on Vietnam, where it dropped more bombs than in World War Two, was such a miserable failure rather than the birth of anything? Or why Baghdad, after experiencing American Shock and Awe, has sewers that work only to catch run-off blood from the streets? Perhaps Condi would say they just needed a little topping-up on the bombing to complete the miracle of birth?
Her words came near to the time an Israeli source explained to the world that Israeli pilots were operating now on the principle that ten Beirut apartment blocks would be bombed for every Hezbollah missile launched. A few days after, an Israeli pilot struck gold, killing fifty-seven civilians, including thirty-seven children.
From Israel, came only Goebbels-speak: Hezbollah always hides in just such places. Left unasked and unanswered in the soulless repetitions of this point is: then what kind of a human being would still fire on them?
Israel insists that Hezbollah's missiles are a horror not to be endured.
I'll remind readers that Hezbollah's main "missile" is the Katyusha artillery rocket, not a missile at all, because it is not guided. The Katyusha was designed to be fired in large barrages from mobile, multi-tube launchers to blanket an area, but Hezbollah does not posses these - they would quickly be destroyed if they did - and uses Katyushas as single-launch rockets. Used this way, the Katyusha is a glorified firework, totally inaccurate with a short range and a small explosive charge. Ninety-nine percent of these "missiles" land in the desert or on garage roofs or in parking lots. The few times they have killed anyone were accidents.
Hezbollah has managed to fire a few clusters now in response to Israel's horrific bombardment, but apart from one dramatic incident, killing eight, they have killed few Israelis. We have heard a great deal about a new longer-range rocket, but this is just a bigger Katyusha with a bigger warhead. It also is totally inaccurate.
By comparison, Israel drops 500-pound, high-explosive bombs which are deadly accurate, being hooked into American satellite-guidance systems. It drops them from some of the world's most sophisticated fighter-bombers. An order of American 5000-pound, "bunker-busting," laser-guided bombs was rushed recently to Israel to help in the good work. Israel also uses American Hellfire missiles, mounted on helicopters or fighter planes. These really are missiles, highly accurate, in the slick words of their manufacturer's sales pitch, they feature "dual warheads for defeating reactive armor, electro-optical countermeasures hardening, semi-active laser seeker, and a programmable auto-pilot for trajectory shaping."
Israel uses some of the world's best long-range artillery pieces, and it fills their breeches with deadly depleted-uranium shells which bring the added gift of long-lived vaporized uranium after exploding. It uses American cluster bombs, the horrible things that dismembered or crippled thousands of Iraqi children. And it now appears to be using the white-phosphorus shells or bombs Americans used in Fallujah to burn flesh in much the same way they used napalm in Vietnam.
Tony Blair, known to Bush insiders as Fluffy the toy poodle, made a showy trip to Washington about his concern over events in the Middle East, the concern apparently focusing on a revolt by his own cabinet. As usual, he got nothing from Bush, except the honor of standing at a podium next to America's first certified-moron president. Blair also got to do a little choreographed turn with Bush at the end of the press conference, allowing the pair to stride out with a ceremonial flourish after somber moments of saying nothing.
British journalists apparently miffed the American crowd because they didn't follow the mindless ritual of standing up when the president is announced, it not being the practice to stand for Blair in London. Even worse perhaps was one British journalist's description of the event as a "press availability" rather than a press conference. It was undoubtedly the most informative comment of the week.
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A very astute observation, it struck me more than the rest of the article. That's a damn good question, sometimes I wonder how folks can say such stuff (as Condi's "birth pangs" quote) with that stupid "resolved" expression on their faces
This conflict would have been over two weeks ago if the hez had returned the soldiers and stopped bombing Israel .Those children died because Hezabolla are fanatics who don't believe in the virtue of life. Juan seems to believe that since the hez have inferior weaponry they should not bear responsibility. I am amazed at how quickly the reasons that this war started are forgotten by the loony left and blame gets shifted to the U.S. It is betwen Israel and Lebanon (hezbolla). The U.S. may bring about peace quicker but they are not the villians.Hezbolla is and always will be.
The villians, according to the right wing nuts, are always someone else. The U.S. entered Viet Nam a few years ago and killed two or three millions of Viet Namese, but the villians were the North VietNanmese. The U.S. similarly killed a million or so Laotians and Cambodians but the bad guys were somebody else. Iraqis who defended their country were immediately named insurgents and villians. Now in Lebanon, it is the Hezbollah. 80 percent of Lebanese support the Hezbollah against the invaders but the Hezbollah are still the villians. There was a fair election in what is left of Palestine but the U.S. doesn't reccognise the election result so Hamas are villians. Strange how that happens.
Yes ,Juan,it was the U.S. that kidnapped the soldiers.It was the U.S. that launched the rockets against Lebanon.Of course ,the U.S. is satan himself. I bet they are doing it all for oil.There is so much blind hatred against the U.S. out there that people like you can not see the facts. The Hezbolla attacked Israel.The Hezbolla are now paying the price from Israeli forces. Nothing strange about that at all. If you go to a bar and continually poke the biggest guy in the eye,don"t whine about injustice when he rips your head off. That is reality.
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As Juan eloquently stated, Hezbollah is not "bombing". It is giving the Jews a fireworks show. The Jews on the other hand are jumping on this apparent "bombing" comapaign and using it to justify their dispicable acts.
Everyone must bear responsibility for what they do. The point is that the IDF is exploiting twisted facts in the same way that the States is exploiting September 11. And that is: "One transgression justifies any response for an indefinite amount of time". Read that again and try to understand what I'm saying.
And I'm amazed how you can try to not see the bigger picture. Israel would not exist without the U.S.
wallyj said:
As Juan eloquently stated, Hezbollah is not "bombing". It is giving the Jews a fireworks show. The Jews on the other hand are jumping on this apparent "bombing" comapaign and using it to justify their dispicable acts.
wallyj said:
Everyone must bear responsibility for what they do. The point is that the IDF is exploiting twisted facts in the same way that the States is exploiting September 11. And that is: "One transgression justifies any response for an indefinite amount of time". Read that again and try to understand what I'm saying.
wallyj said:
And I'm amazed how you can try to not see the bigger picture. Israel would not exist without the U.S.
Israel treats its minorities well
That lie has been debunked previously - and remember that it is written by a Jewish writer so that no can can scream "anti-semitism":
http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/zionism/american_jew_in_racist_marxist_israel.htm
That lie has been debunked previously - and remember that it is written by a Jewish writer so that no can can scream "anti-semitism":
http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/zionism/american_jew_in_racist_marxist_israel.htm
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Israel would not exist without the U.S.
USA taxpayers are forced to pay taxes to what purports to be a religious state. According to the Constitution, there must be absolutely no establishment of religion by the govenrment. Therefore such aid is unconstitutional.
Israel would not exist without the U.S.
USA taxpayers are forced to pay taxes to what purports to be a religious state. According to the Constitution, there must be absolutely no establishment of religion by the govenrment. Therefore such aid is unconstitutional.
Re: RE: Israeli airstrike slaughters children
So true. Re asymmetrical use of force. I suppose we should have stopped fighting the German after Stalingrad. The tide had turned and 'it wasn't a fair fight' after that. Hezbollah wantsto destroy Israel and the Israelis should now go home? No, they should put a beating on the Lebanese and then put another beating on them if they shoot rockets into Israel in future. The Syrians won't dare shoot a single bullet at Israel bcause the Istaelis will promptly destroy that regime. Arabs are like little children on a continuous temper tantrum.
wallyj said:
So true. Re asymmetrical use of force. I suppose we should have stopped fighting the German after Stalingrad. The tide had turned and 'it wasn't a fair fight' after that. Hezbollah wantsto destroy Israel and the Israelis should now go home? No, they should put a beating on the Lebanese and then put another beating on them if they shoot rockets into Israel in future. The Syrians won't dare shoot a single bullet at Israel bcause the Istaelis will promptly destroy that regime. Arabs are like little children on a continuous temper tantrum.
Mr scary,why doesn't hezbolla give the soldiers back ,stop thier"fireworks"show and thereby save the lives of thier people? Maybe because they are fanatics that only care about thier hateful god? Maybe if thet did not dress as civilians and hide around civilians the civilian deaths would be minimized? Or maybe they just all need a hug because the big bad U.S. doesn't understand thier need for world domination? Being an apologist for terrorists may be the Canadian way now but hopefully not much longer.