Israel launches air strikes, ground forces into Gaza
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Yes it was just another week. But it was a missed opportunity for peace.
Since then its been all out war. The majority of Palestinians must be tired of war, but their other choice is to accept their current reality.
Lebanon's seige of a Palestinian refugee camp has been newsworthy.
4000+ news articles counts as a peep.
What isn't getting coverage is how hundreds of thousands of people ended up living in desperate conditions, with no nationality, rights or hope for a better future. Few of these news stories mention Israel's role in creating 4 million nationless refugees.
4000+ news articles counts as a peep.
What isn't getting coverage is how hundreds of thousands of people ended up living in desperate conditions, with no nationality, rights or hope for a better future. Few of these news stories mention Israel's role in creating 4 million nationless refugees.
yes, but how come im the only one to talk about it here?
As for how they ended up that way:
Nations which took in refugees refuse to grant nationality to people born on their soil, instead using human being as political pawns in a fairly racist overtones.
As for how they ended up that way:
Nations which took in refugees refuse to grant nationality to people born on their soil, instead using human being as political pawns in a fairly racist overtones.
Before Palestinians were refugees, they lived in a peaceful area of the Ottoman empire. Muslim, Christian and Jewish Palestinians lived together more or less amicably. These people did not seek war. War came to them.
Today most Palestinians are nationless refugees. As their land continues to disappear, a few more lose their homes, farms, businesses, places of worship... Every day a few more are robbed of their possessions, tortured, killed... The lucky ones who have survived 60 years of war continue to live under constant bombardment.
Originally these war victims numbered in the hundreds of thousands. Today they number about four million.
Their high birth rate, shrinking territory, increasingly crowded conditions continues to lead to behaviors which makes them harder to ignore. Reducing aid, withholding tax revenues, destroying their infrastructure (electricity, sewer, water...) only makes them meaner and nastier.
As these people rot in filth and squalor, the international community mostly ignores them.
Today most Palestinians are nationless refugees. As their land continues to disappear, a few more lose their homes, farms, businesses, places of worship... Every day a few more are robbed of their possessions, tortured, killed... The lucky ones who have survived 60 years of war continue to live under constant bombardment.
Originally these war victims numbered in the hundreds of thousands. Today they number about four million.
Their high birth rate, shrinking territory, increasingly crowded conditions continues to lead to behaviors which makes them harder to ignore. Reducing aid, withholding tax revenues, destroying their infrastructure (electricity, sewer, water...) only makes them meaner and nastier.
As these people rot in filth and squalor, the international community mostly ignores them.
Correct.......or at least most of your facts are correct. But let's look at who is responsible.........
When 750,000 Arabs fled or were driven from what is now Israel in the 1948 war, roughly the same number of Jews fled or were driven from Arab countries.............funny, where are these Jews? Are they demanding a "right of return", are they starving, packed into overcrowded refugee camps, nursing a sense of resentment and constantly launching futile attacks on their former nations?
No, they are not.
Why not?
Because they have long since been fully assimilated into the larger Jewish community.
Meanwhile, the Arabs driven out of Israel have been used by their Arab "brothers" as a club with which to beat Israel. You think larger Arabia gives a rat's ass about the Palestinian problem? They could have fixed it and brought peace to the ME at any time in the last 60 years.....but they choose not to.......they simply like the "refugees" as propaganda and military pawns in the never-ending struggle to discredit, isolate, and eventually destroy Israel.
250 rockets have been fired into Israel in the last 7 days.
Death to Hamas.
Death to Hezbollah.
I don't agree with some things the Israilis do, but for the most part, I see the palestinians, in different areas, being totally used by the rest of the arab community as pawns, to stir up
trouble in the eyes of the rest of the world
Once and for all, the Arab communities should support the palestinians, help them financially, and
otherwise, but in reality they don't care a damn for them, and stand back and accuse others of same.
trouble in the eyes of the rest of the world
Once and for all, the Arab communities should support the palestinians, help them financially, and
otherwise, but in reality they don't care a damn for them, and stand back and accuse others of same.
It's all tit for tat, back and forth, and endless cycle of violence...revenge begets revenge...eye for an eye...
Militant groups get their power from the Palestinians and for what reason, they have no power nor a voice.
Palestinians would have been swept under the rug had it not been for the militants and there-in lies the problem.
You make it sound like the two events occured at the same time. Was that a deliberate deception or did you not know one event happened after the other.
Your description of events above are about as accurate as saying the Japanese could justify their attack on Pearl harbor because the American government relocated Japanese citizens in internment camps.
Another deception is your attempt to portray Palestinians responsible for actions taken against Jews by others.
Timing of events is important for context. During the 1930's and 40's Palestine was overwhelmed by illegal Jewish immigration. Most of these people were refugees fleeing the horrors of Nazi Europe. During this time, violence between the locals and the recent immigrants grew. Acts of violence were committed by both sides. But by 1947, the zionist immigrants had the upper hand and armed gangs of thugs were forcibly removing Palestinians from their homes and seizing all their property.
Zionists from the beginning not only wanted a homeland for Jews but also wanted to purify that homeland of non-Jews. What has happened since 1947 is just part of that process. Eventually Zionists will remove all non-Jews from Palestine. When Israel has finished with Palestinians without Israeli citizenship, they will turn their attention to non-Jews with Israeli citizenship.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story562.html
The 1948 war was not triggered by Israel's declaration of independance. The war was caused by how Israel became independant. Zionist ethnic cleansing policies and a series of atrocities like the Deir Yassin massacre also contributed to war. Most countries at war with Israel then passed laws which treated sympathy for Israel as the equivalent of aiding and abetting the enemy. Many Jewish families in these countries had relatives fighting on Israel's side against soldiers from their own country. Many Jewish communities openly raised money for Israel, most of which went to buy arms. As a result many Arab/Muslim governments passed laws to punish people for supporting Israel and other laws which openly discriminated against Jews. But those actions were consequences of Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestine of Palestinians, its atrocities and war. That isn't an attempt to justify what happened, but an attempt to put events in context.
Maybe these laws were discriminatory and unfair, but consider how Americans react if their government told them most American Muslims supported the events of 9/11? How would Americans fel if American Muslims had relatives fighting on the Iraqi and Afghan insurgent side and were openly raising money for al Qaeda? That's a fair comparison, because what Zionists did in Palestine during this period meets the definition of terrorism. Many Zionists leaders were terrorists and had committed acts of terrorism.
http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/mar2007/ethnic_cleansing1.html
Israel's ethnic cleansing policies during 1947-48 and the resulting war with Arab/Muslim nations led to increased anti-Semitism and official anti-Jewish discrimination throughout the Arab/Muslim world. Before that, Arab/Muslim nations weren't nearly as anti-Semitic as they are today or as Europeans were before and during the holocaust. That increased persecution resulting from Israel's actions led to increased emigration of Jews from Arab/Muslim nations. Few Jews were forcibly removed and stripped of their possession like Palestinians had been, but that also happened.
Jewish immigrants to Israel are beneficiaries of Israel's ethnic cleansing. During the early years, Jewish immigrants were often able to move into fully furnished Palestinian homes stolen from Palestinian families. All they had to do was take down the Palestinian family portraits.
By the way, Israel still has laws which legalize stealing Palestinian property and awarding it to Jewish immigrants. If a non-Jewish home becomes vacant, even for an afternoon, while the family is out shopping, Israel can declare the home/property abandoned where it can be awarded to a Jewish family under another law. If Israel wants the property immediately they send soldiers to the house to encourage the Palestinians to abandon their homes. Usually a few tank shells through the front door convinces the occupants to leave. But if that doesn't work, crushing the occupants with bulldozers as the home is demolished, renders their decision to stay mute.
As the apartheid wall separates Palestinians from their property, Israel declares the Palestinian land abandoned and steals it under the authority of the Absentee Property Law. Afterward the state then awards the stolen land to Jewish immigrants under the authority of the Law of Return.
Absentee Property Law
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/1c...b444fa0215cb59118525683300758ef9!OpenDocument
Law of Return
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return
As a result of growing anti-Jewish sentiment throughout the Arab/Muslim world, many Arab Jews have chosen to sell their belongings and emigrate to Israel. That emigration has been going on since Israel's birth and also continues today.
But many Jews also chose to stay in Arab/Muslim countries:
A Synagogue amid mosques: A Jewish man at the Yousefabad Synagogue last month in Tehran, Iran. Some 25,000 to 30,000 Jews live relatively freely among the country's majority Shiite Muslims.Scott Peterson/Getty Images
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0427/p01s03-wome.html
Compare that voluntary emigration to Israel's ethnic cleansing by force. Palestinians can choose betwen staying and getting killed or running for their lives. That choice isn't historical. Palestinians face that choice daily since the late 1940's.
Its deceptive to portray Israel's ethnic cleansing by force as the equivalent of Jews choosing to emigrate to avoid discrimination.
It should be obvious that ethnic cleansing is wrong no matter who does it. Palestinians are clearly victims of Israel's ethnic cleansing policies and one can hardly blame them for seeing the zionist state of Israel and its vision of a pure Jewish state on what used to be their home as cause of their suffering.
Over time, Palestinians are increasing in number and becoming better organized and armed. They have nowhere else to go and most have nothing better to do than plot Israel's defeat. 1.4 billion Muslims are mostly sympathetic to their cause and are giving generously to their cause. The zionist state of Israel's defeat isn't just likely. Over time, its inevitable.
Another part of your deception is blaming one group of people for the atrocties committed by another group. Clearly Palestinian refugees are not responsible for what the Nazis did to the Jews during the holocaust. It should be just as clear that Palestinian refugees are also not responsible for what Arab and Muslim nations did to their Jewish citizens over the years. Palestinians are also not responsible for starting the 1948 war. No Palestinian army even took part in the 1948 war. These people were mostly unarmed peasant farmers. War came to them.
I have nothing against people who try to live peacefully and tolerantly with their neighbors, be they Jewish or Muslim. But anyone put in the same situation as the Palestinians will fight injustice and oppression. I do not advocate violence, but I fully support the right of people to non-violently struggle to achieve freedom and justice.
Blaming Palestinians for their own ethnic cleansing is unlikely to lead to justice or freedom.
So its been 60 years of war. On the whole, I'd say Palestinians have gotten worse than they have given. The threat of Palestinians rockets is mostly hype to obscure Israel's ongoing ethnic cleansing and other atrocities. Israelis who fear Palestinian rockets can move. But many choose to stay because they know the chances of being hit is low.
Where can Palestinians go to flee the bombardment they have been suffering for 60 years now???
I call for an end to state sanctioned racism and ethnic cleansing.
I am also coming to the conclusion that the only peaceful and just solution is a single secular state where everyone has the same rights rather than two states where each state is racist, has second class citizens and in a constant state of war with the other state. That solution has had 60 years to prove itself. So far that solution has been a dismal failure.
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