Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet

[CDNBear]

The whole point of the convoy was to get a change in the method and quantity of the aid allowed into Gaza.

Not according to the activists involved.

Not that it was needed either apparently.

Palestinian news sources seems to be the worst supporter of the plight of Gaza and Palestine, showing pictures of streets teaming with cars, life, food, clothing, all manner of supplies.

Just a quick question though. What do ordinary Palestinians need with nightvision goggles?

 

[MHz]

The tunnels you said don't exist?

Besides the point anyways.

Have you found the laws that Israel broke yet?

I never said the smuggling tunnels with Egypt's border never existed.

Every time I try to post the list I get the post too long thingy. Sorry guess you will have to do your legwork yourself.

 

[CDNBear]

I never said the smuggling tunnels with Egypt's border never existed.

Oh, so the tunnels only exist into Egypt, but not Israel...Ummm K. Excellent example of your logic skills there.

Was there a sign on that tunnel that said "this way to Egypt"?

Every time I try to post the list I get the post too long thingy.

So in other words, you're full of shyte. I already knew that.

Care to post something? Anything supporting your opinion that the Israeli's have broken the law? Even specific sections of that law with examples of how the Israeli's have infringed upon it would acceptable. And small enough to post.

But I doubt you will. Someone told you it was illegal, and that's all the proof you needed. To funny.

Sorry guess you will have to do your legwork yourself.

I have, you've ignored or dismissed every piece of it. Of course without ever actually proving it wrong...;-)

 

[MHz]

Just a quick question though. What do ordinary Palestinians need with nightvision goggles?

So Hamas (AKA Police) can see people sneaking around in the dark, IDF as well as criminals. Why weren't those items with the pic of the axe handles and kitchenware.

 

[CDNBear]

So Hamas (AKA Police) can see people sneaking around in the dark, IDF as well as criminals.

But you and your fellow activists here have been claiming that this was aid. Building supplies, medicine and so on. Nightvision goggles are not aid.

Why weren't those items with the pic of the axe handles and kitchenware.

They were in one of the video's I posted. Along with sling shots and other non aid items.

 

[MHz]

Was there a sign on that tunnel that said "this way to Egypt"?

The people were alive, that makes it an Egyptian one unless the IDF really suck at their duties.

 

[CDNBear]

The people were alive, that makes it an Egyptian one unless the IDF really suck at their duties.

Good, I'm glad you now accept the fact that smugglers have been building tunnels into Israel too.

Now, can you post the laws that Israel has broken in their boarding of the flotilla ships?

 

[MHz]

Good, I'm glad you now accept the fact that smugglers have been building tunnels into Israel too.

Now, can you post the laws that Israel has broken in their boarding of the flotilla ships?

Back to your box lol

 

[CDNBear]

Back to your box lol

So in other words no. You can't prove the Israeli's broke any laws, just parrot what someone on the net told you.

That's awesome. Your Mom must be so proud of you.

When you can't answer the questions or support your claims, the iggy button is your friend...

 

[MHz]

You can't prove the Israeli's broke any laws, just parrot what someone on the net told you.

He went on to dismiss the notion that the Israeli attack was an attempt to "protect Israeli citizens against those who would seek to discredit the state of Israel" by pointing to the illegality of the Israeli blockade on Gaza. Finkelstein mentioned recent condemnation by reputed human rights group Amnesty International, which called the Israeli blockade on Gaza "a flagrant violation of international law" and the United Nations' Global Elders , a group comprising notable public figures including Nelson Mandela, Desmund Tutu, Kofi Annan and Jimmy Carter, which issued a statement calling the Israeli blockade on Gaza "one of the wost human rights violation in the world today" as important examples of this fact. Finkelstein went on to point to Israel's use of armed commandos to assault a humanitarian aid mission in international waters, which he said could not be justified:

I think everyone can agree that there's no possibility, that there's no way to justify using armed force against what were clearly unarmed humanitarians trying to relieve an illegal siege of Gaza.​

Referring to comments attributed to Israeli officials made in the aftermath of last year's invasion of Gaza, Finkelstein said the Israeli military had sought to reestablish its military dominance over the Arab world by demonstrating that they were "capable of acting like a lunatic state and like mad dogs [...] [in order to] restore the Arab world's fear of Israel".

After yesterday's events, you really have to ask the question: is Israel acting like a lunatic state or has it become a lunatic state?​

Finkelstein asserts that Israel has indeed become a "lunatic state", one armed with nuclear weapons and regularly threatening its neighbors:

Things are getting out of control, [...] can a lunatic state like Israel be trusted with 200 to 300 nuclear devices when it is now threatening its neighbors Iran and Lebanon with an attack?​

Finkelstein's condemnation is part of a global chorus that has emerged in response to the Israeli attack which left dozens of peace activists dead or injured. The pro-Palestinian flotilla was attempting to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza and deliver humanitarian aide to the besieged Palestinian territory.

Finkelstein: 'Israel is a lunatic state'

Do you want the other 19,000 links?

 

[Avro]

The lunacy of the events that led to the headlines Monday morning, the explanations and justifications and the scary degree to which they actually make sense within circumstances that stopped making sense somewhere back between the failure of Oslo and the election of Hamas, all of it added up to one, whispered word of reaction, not about a particular side or about fault.

“Enough.”

 

[MHz]

Glenn Greenwald vs. Eliot Spitzer LewRockwell.com Blog

 

[CDNBear]

He went on to dismiss the notion that the Israeli attack was an attempt to "protect Israeli citizens against those who would seek to discredit the state of Israel" by pointing to the illegality of the Israeli blockade on Gaza....

Pointing out the "illegality" without actually proving it.

Do you want the other 19,000 links?

No, I want you to cite the law and show how it applies to the events of Monday.

The lunacy of the events that led to the headlines Monday morning, the explanations and justifications and the scary degree to which they actually make sense within circumstances that stopped making sense somewhere back between the failure of Oslo and the election of Hamas, all of it added up to one, whispered word of reaction, not about a particular side or about fault.

“Enough.”

Agreed.

Glenn Greenwald vs. Eliot Spitzer LewRockwell.com Blog

Glen completely ignores the facts that Spitzer throws at him, like a state at war has every right to search incoming shipments for contraband.

Then he goes on to dismiss Hamas and their stated policy of genocide against Israel, as a duly elected Gov't.... Someone should tell him, so was Hitler.

Still no proof of any Israeli wrong doing...keep trying.

 

[MHz]

YouTube - Eyewitness and victim recounts Israeli flotilla attack on an American boat and crew!

 

[CDNBear]

YouTube - Eyewitness and victim recounts Israeli flotilla attack on an American boat and crew!

I will never justify overreaction.

But when Pro-Palestinian activist Hussein Ibish stated “The whole point of the ‘Gaza flotilla’ was to get a reaction out of Israel"

You have to understand what's coming your way.

Now, can you cite the laws that Israel supposedly broke yet?

 

[MHz]

a state at war

When did Israel officiall declared 'war'? What happened to that 'cease-fire' thing they signed over a year ago?

Is it part of this same war?
Now Israel declares 'war to the bitter end'

International outcry grows as death toll from continued assault on Gaza reaches 320
By Donald Macintyre in Jerusalem

Tuesday, 30 December 2008

 

[CDNBear]

When did Israel officiall declared 'war'?

It was declared upon them. Look, I really don't think you should be commenting on things you obviously have limited knowledge about.

What happened to that 'cease-fire' thing they signed over a year ago?

Hold on, didn't you just allude to no defacto state of war?



You make this so easy.

Is it part of this same war?
Now Israel declares 'war to the bitter end'

International outcry grows as death toll from continued assault on Gaza reaches 320
By Donald Macintyre in Jerusalem

Tuesday, 30 December 2008

No, that's just more of your propaganda crap. You really should avoid Op/Ed pieces, especially from sources like the UK's Independent, lol.

Now, can you cite the laws that Israel supposedly broke and examples thereof, or not?

 

[MHz]

Now, can you cite the laws that Israel supposedly broke yet?

We covered that endlessly before I hit the ignore button for the 1st time ever. Even in a state of war the flow of good to the civilians cannot be impaired. That is a crime against humanity, using a military force to do it makes it a ' war crime'. Whose side were you on during the Treaty trial that lasted 20 years and cost the people over $100M?

 

[CDNBear]

We covered that endlessly before I hit the ignore button for the 1st time ever.

I know, because even on that topic, in that thread, you couldn't explain how your cut and pastes applied to the subject. Because you simply parrot what you glean from the net, without ever actually vetting or researching its validity.

Even in a state of war the flow of good to the civilians cannot be impaired.

Completely false, it can be stopped and inspected. It can not be hijacked, used for military purposes or sold.

The only body to have done that is this equation, is Hamas.

That is a crime against humanity, using a military force to do it makes it a ' war crime'.

Agreed, which is why Israel simply did as international law allows, they inspected it, removed internationally accepted items that can be used for military purposes, and allowed the aid to go on to its final port.

Whose side were you on during the Treaty trial that lasted 20 years and cost the people over $100M?

I have no idea what you're talking about, without context. Which is fine, as you likely haven't the ability to discuss that topic either, without resorting to using someone else's thoughts and opinions.

So, can you or can you not cite the laws that Israel supposedly broke?

 

[captain morgan]

But when Pro-Palestinian activist Hussein Ibish stated “The whole point of the ‘Gaza flotilla’ was to get a reaction out of Israel"

Funny isn't it? Palestine got their "reaction" out of Israel and rather than man-up on the issue, they hide behind the skirts of women and children and behind teh guise of "humanitarian aid.

It is nothing short of a miracle that Israel hasn't bombed Palestine back into the stone-age where their culture desires to exist.