Islam vs. The World

[I think not]

Jo, I admit you are right. I am getting angry. Whereas I see and acknowledge past wrongdoings, and actions resembling genocide, by the West upon indigenous peoples of the Americas and other places all over the world, I refuse to support apologists when they wouldn't see the evidence if it slapped them in the face.

I'm not going to print disclaimers at the bottom of all my posts stressing the fact I do not consider all Muslims to be the way I described everytime. For me that's a given.

They are up to no good and I see it. I don't want what's going on in Europe happening in North America. The europeans embraced their PC policies and now they don't know how to get out of it.

PS Nice to see you again Jo

 

[Finder]

Thats ITN, progressively getting more and more to the fringe of the right... Embrace the Darkness ITN...

 

[I think not]

Bite me Finder, not my problem if you have a problem with reality.

 

[sanch]

From what I see the Muslem world is heading for it's own version of Reformation. Latley the mus' communities in Canada are starting to take their own stand moreso than before...it's at least a start.

This was a very impressive move. It may be that the moderates just didn't have the outlet to do it before these arrests.

 

[BitWhys]

Re: RE: Islam vs. The World

one?

No idea about how to create a proper or real government?

Maybe, but after you lying about me twice already I've kind of last track here...

what's this got to do with multiculturalism?

You took a argument I made and distorted it and mentioned big problems elsewhere. I said you weren't interested in Canada being involved in big problems in Afghanistan and you basically agreed this was the case. Your position is very clear.

There is an issue with ethnic diversity in Afghanistan as well. Should the Afghans adopt Canada's multicultural policy? Would such an approach undermine other efforts at nation building?

so its just multiculturalism itself you have an issue with and not its alleged contribution to the threat of domestic terrorism. glad that's cleared up.

...you also have an argument against helping them.

excuse me?

I am pro diversity and think Canada should return to offering haven and opportunity to people around the world. I am against a policy that too closely in my mind resembles the Indian caste system.

If I recall you are opposed to helping the Afghans--the 4 or 5 million of so refugees that were on the verge of starvation. Their plight is a big problem.

one of these things is not like the other

that's four lies now. keep it up. you're on a roll.

 

[Finder]

Bite me Finder, not my problem if you have a problem with reality.

I don't think you taste very good. I don't like to eat bitter things. :twisted:

Just kidding around with ya man. Hey I agree Islamic Extremism is a problem, but I also think any extremism is as well and being blind to it is soemwhat counter productive.

 

[I think not]

Bite me Finder, not my problem if you have a problem with reality.

I don't think you taste very good. I don't like to eat bitter things. :twisted:

Just kidding around with ya man. Hey I agree Islamic Extremism is a problem, but I also think any extremism is as well and being blind to it is soemwhat counter productive.

Apologies, I'm cranky today.

 

[Finder]

Now I have to deal with a cranky FiveParadox and a Cranky ITN... yikes. lol. Hope things get better for you bro.

 

[Jersay]

darkbeaver

I am assuming you haven't been keeping up with current events;

Muslims vs. Jews in Palestine
Muslims vs. Hindus in Kashmir
Muslims vs. Christians in Africa
Muslims vs. Buddhists in Thailand
Muslims vs. Russians in the Caucasus
Muslims vs. British in London
Muslims vs. Spaniards in Madrid
Muslims vs. backpacking tourists in Bali

See a pattern? Prolly not. :roll:

But, I assume you (like most Canadians) live in a "pretty" white community, filled with political correctness and contemplating the "injustices" of the West towards Muslims. Throwing everyone around you into the Western "guilt" trip. We are btter off than they are, because we have caused this mess. Time to help these poor folk.

Why don't you start helping them poor folk by telling them;

It's not right to circumcise their women
It's not right to beat them either
It's also not right to treat them as property
It's not right to hang teenagers because they're gay
Sharia should be outlawed by the UN because it several hundred years behind civilization

The only thing you leftists have with in common the Muslims is hatred for the US, Israel and capitalism, you are at odds with everything else. You think they are on your side you poor soul, but they consider everybody in the West "infidels" that should be slaughtered like sheep. You cry fundamentalism (Christian) when the worst case scenario is Pat Robertson barking for the death of one person (your boy in Venezuela) or a protest denouncing The Passion of the Christ.

And yet you cannot open your eyes at the very fundamentalism that speaks not with words, but with actions.

Yeah I guess we hate ILLEGAL OCCUPATION there buddy boy because Gaza and the West Bank is ILLEGAL OCCUPATION. So you should oppose alot of christian people who beat and kill their wives and their children. See a pattern.

In the Bible it accepts Slavery as well as other Barbaric things. I guess that is okay to you. Yeah we cry when someone in America is trying to do something illegal which is kill the democratically elected leader of Venezuela.

Sad.

 

[sanch]

I really don't see how anyone can blame multiculturalism when there are many countries without such policies in place with much bigger problems than we have but if you really think turning the world onto white bread is going to solve everything don't let me stop you from saying so.
:joker:

This is the convulted sentence I responded to initially. I am not certain how any of these ideas are connected either. I shouldn't have responded to the idiocy you are right about that.

 

[Jersay]

Ooh, ITN why not discuss about the Christian Group in Uganda, what was it again, the Lord's Resistance Army, that has killed over 50,000 people, committed genocide, has made 20,000 young girls and another 20,000+ other women as sex slaves. They cut off limbs, they cut off noses, they kill U.N peacekeepers.

Yeah I guess because they do such barbaric acts they must be Muslim. Wrong by a long shot.

 

[BitWhys]

I really don't see how anyone can blame multiculturalism when there are many countries without such policies in place with much bigger problems than we have but if you really think turning the world onto white bread is going to solve everything don't let me stop you from saying so.
:joker:

This is the convulted sentence I responded to initially. I am not certain how any of these ideas are connected either. I shouldn't have responded to the idiocy you are right about that.

hey. I was speaking in generalities.

I can't help if you took what I said personally. You missed the whole point in the process too. altogether entertaining if I do say so myself.

 

[I think not]

Sad.

What's sad is your political correctness excusing Muslims for being in a barbaric state. Keep it up, war in Europe will be in your lifetime.......again.

 

[I think not]

Ooh, ITN why not discuss about the Christian Group in Uganda, what was it again, the Lord's Resistance Army, that has killed over 50,000 people, committed genocide, has made 20,000 young girls and another 20,000+ other women as sex slaves. They cut off limbs, they cut off noses, they kill U.N peacekeepers.

Yeah I guess because they do such barbaric acts they must be Muslim. Wrong by a long shot.

Ahahahaha

Hahahaha

Ha

Read your sources again, and then we'll chit chat some more, try and comprehend it this time.

 

[aeon]

Sad.

What's sad is your political correctness excusing Muslims for being in a barbaric state. Keep it up, war in Europe will be in your lifetime.......again.

What's sad is your political correcteness excusing illegal occupation, illegal wars based on a lie, all of this towards muslim, just because you hate them, and you still don't know why, this is barbarian at the highest level.

 

[I think not]

What's sad is your political correcteness excusing illegal occupation, illegal wars based on a lie, all of this towards muslim, just because you hate them, and you still don't know why, this is barbarian at the highest level.

I don't have political correctness, I call them as I see them. And I don't hate them, I consider them a threat. Why don't you elaborate for us what's going on in Europe? Do you even have a CLUE what's going on?

I sincerely doubt it.

 

[Machjo]

Re: RE: Islam vs. The World

On that same token, however, it isn't up to Islamic persons (in particular, those in Canada, since I know Muslims better in this nation than I do in any other) to convince others to shed their discrimination. The very title of this thread seems to force negative baggage upon the Islamic population as a whole, and our Muslims in Canada are making a concerted effort, now more than ever, to lose that baggage, denounce terrorism and assist in being a part of the solution.

That's a generalization in its own right. I've known converted Canadian Muslims of WASP origin become fanatical themselves.

 

[Machjo]

marginalized, marginalizing
"To push something or someone to the edges of anything (especially of society or one's consciousness), in order to reduce its or their effect, relevance, significance, etc."

Though I am normally left on most issues this term "Marginalized" grates on me, I grew up in the GTA and as such I have seen how Muslims come to Canada not to become Canadian but rather to enjoy all the benefits of our country whilst remaining in tight knit communities of Muslims where the schools are Muslim, the stores are Muslim owned and operated (Even the signage is in Arabic) and through all this they first off ever have to learn English if they don't feel the need, associate with any other Canadians or make any attempts at being anything other than a Iranian Muslim, Iraqi, Saudi Muslim in Canada rather than a Muslim Canadian.

We are not Marginalizing the Muslims they are marginalizing themselves.

This I can agree with. While I have no issue with them being Muslim, they need to learn to love their new nation rather than think of their hosts as "unclean".

 

[Machjo]

Now why can't they go to Muslim schools.

IS this a fear of radicalism or is this a fear my the majority community in Europe and America and Canada at a minority group that wants to keep some identity.

good point. There are Christian schools in Canada too. And while I agree that there is a major illness in the Muslim community, Islamophobia isn't the answer either. That'll only make things worse.

 

[aeon]

What's sad is your political correcteness excusing illegal occupation, illegal wars based on a lie, all of this towards muslim, just because you hate them, and you still don't know why, this is barbarian at the highest level.

I don't have political correctness, I call them as I see them. And I don't hate them, I consider them a threat. Why don't you elaborate for us what's going on in Europe? Do you even have a CLUE what's going on?

I sincerely doubt it.

You consider them a threat, but you don't know why, that is a fact, only because it was said over and over and over and over that islam is a threat for you, when in fact, you are a threat for them, and statistics support that claim.

Europe, in spain?? in france? in britain? in germany? cause ther is a lot going on these days, so which one are you talking about?