Islam vs. The World

[English Guy]

It is, but in a democracy the minority don't count.

That is why democracy is not the perfect, catch-all solution to the everything......... despite what the relatively young democracy of the US would have us believe

Signed from a citizen of the oldest, continuous democracy in the word

 

[athabaska]

The KKK was a movement in a minutia of the Christian world. More or less the USA with a smidgeon of spill over elsewhere. Islamic fundamentalism is world wide and even if 10% of Muslims is 120 million nutcases. The problem isn't just with the nutbars but the sympathizers of the nutbars (like Jersay) who excuse away murdering children and subjecting women to animal status in some super defense of equivalancy and political correctness.

 

[Hank C]

Re: RE: Islam vs. The World

Islamic fundamentalism is to the Islam as the Klu Klux Klan is to Christianity.

Only in that they are both groups which promote and act out terrorism and hatred against people who are of a certain race, religion or color. Thats pretty much where it ends.

The KKK and its practices are looked down on by 99% of christians, and have been marginalized in todays society. They blew up a few churches and lynched a few colored folks, although their terrorism was confined to the United States (and Canada). How many people died at the hands of the KKK? Now tell me how many people have died at the hands of Islamic extremists? Are Islamic extremists confined to the middle east, or have they spread the world over? Do 99% of muslims look down on these terrorists? How many Christian countries are as oppressive as Afghanistan or Iraq, to women or people of other beliefs?

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Islam vs. The World

It is, but in a democracy the minority don't count.

:?

That is why democracy is not the perfect, catch-all solution to the everything......... despite what the relatively young democracy of the US would have us believe

Of course it isn't, know of any better system?

Signed from a citizen of the oldest, continuous democracy in the word

Cool, how's the weather in Iceland today?

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Islam vs. The World

The KKK was a movement in a minutia of the Christian world. More or less the USA with a smidgeon of spill over elsewhere. Islamic fundamentalism is world wide and even if 10% of Muslims is 120 million nutcases. The problem isn't just with the nutbars but the sympathizers of the nutbars (like Jersay) who excuse away murdering children and subjecting women to animal status in some super defense of equivalancy and political correctness.

Sorry, but jersey never made a statement that excuse murdering children, in fact it is quite the opposite, when you look at his posts, keep your hatred towards muslim for you, we have enough from our leaders, media, movies and all the peoples that support them.

 

[athabaska]

Sure Jersay excuses Muslims murdering and planning to murder children. The same way folks turned a blind eye and excused away Nazi atrocities in WW2.

Re India and the Muslim 'minority'. I was reading an article on China and the population was estimated at 1.24 bilion people. The lingering '4' at the end of 1.24 is larger than the population of Canada. If the population had been rounded off to 1.2 billion, the equivalent of more than all Canadians would have been dropped.

 

[dekhqonbacha]

athabaska
is any Muslim country murdering non-muslims?

 

[Colpy]

It is, but in a democracy the minority don't count.

Yeah, tell THAT to Stephen Harper.

English Guy wrote:
Signed from a citizen of the oldest, continuous democracy in the word

ITN wrote
Cool, how's the weather in Iceland today?

Now ITN, don't go confusing the poor lad. :lol:

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Islam vs. The World

Sure Jersay excuses Muslims murdering and planning to murder children. The same way folks turned a blind eye and excused away Nazi atrocities in WW2.

Re India and the Muslim 'minority'. I was reading an article on China and the population was estimated at 1.24 bilion people. The lingering '4' at the end of 1.24 is larger than the population of Canada. If the population had been rounded off to 1.2 billion, the equivalent of more than all Canadians would have been dropped.

Nazi oppressed the jews results= people turned a blind eye on it, and nazi and axis leaders put the blame on jews.

Israeli oppressed the palestinians results= our leaders turned a blind eye on it, and our leaders and the whole coalition of the morons, put the blame on palestinians.

 

[Jersay]

Thank you aeon and dekhqonbacha, sorry, athabaska. I said nothing about supporting Muslims killing children. However, I will never support people who are trying to force people who for the majority don't do any single thing you or others mention.

Your the ones like aeon says that turns your head blindly as you watch the Palestinians SUFFER under ILLEGAL OCCUPATIO but i guess that is okay because it is israel doing the occupation and they are a democracy. :roll:

 

[GuyIncognito]

marginalized, marginalizing
"To push something or someone to the edges of anything (especially of society or one's consciousness), in order to reduce its or their effect, relevance, significance, etc."

Though I am normally left on most issues this term "Marginalized" grates on me, I grew up in the GTA and as such I have seen how Muslims come to Canada not to become Canadian but rather to enjoy all the benefits of our country whilst remaining in tight knit communities of Muslims where the schools are Muslim, the stores are Muslim owned and operated (Even the signage is in Arabic) and through all this they first off ever have to learn English if they don't feel the need, associate with any other Canadians or make any attempts at being anything other than a Iranian Muslim, Iraqi, Saudi Muslim in Canada rather than a Muslim Canadian.

We are not Marginalizing the Muslims they are marginalizing themselves.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Islam vs. The World

Islamic fundamentalism is to the Islam as the Klu Klux Klan is to Christianity.

Islamic fundamentalist is to islam as the christian fundamentalist ( like pat robertson for ex) is to christianity.

 

[Jersay]

marginalized, marginalizing
"To push something or someone to the edges of anything (especially of society or one's consciousness), in order to reduce its or their effect, relevance, significance, etc."

Though I am normally left on most issues this term "Marginalized" grates on me, I grew up in the GTA and as such I have seen how Muslims come to Canada not to become Canadian but rather to enjoy all the benefits of our country whilst remaining in tight knit communities of Muslims where the schools are Muslim, the stores are Muslim owned and operated (Even the signage is in Arabic) and through all this they first off ever have to learn English if they don't feel the need, associate with any other Canadians or make any attempts at being anything other than a Iranian Muslim, Iraqi, Saudi Muslim in Canada rather than a Muslim Canadian.

We are not Marginalizing the Muslims they are marginalizing themselves.

Now why can't they go to Muslim schools.

IS this a fear of radicalism or is this a fear my the majority community in Europe and America and Canada at a minority group that wants to keep some identity.

 

[GuyIncognito]

It is not a fear of extremism but rather frustration at these 17 using the term " marginalized" as an excuse for they're alleged actions.
I do believe that these men are innocent of any crimes untill they are proven in the courts to be guilty... My point is that being slighted is no reason to kill innocents.
EVER

 

[GuyIncognito]

However I don't think my initial rant did anyone good and I think all the "Jibba Jabba" has me frustrated to the point of throwing my hands up in the air.... I think I need a time out and a deep breath in order to get a grasp on this situation

 

[I think not]

You can't expect immigrants in general to integrate into Canadian society when your entire system is an advocate of distinct societies within a society.

 

[sanch]

Now why can't they go to Muslim schools.

IS this a fear of radicalism or is this a fear my the majority community in Europe and America and Canada at a minority group that wants to keep some identity.

The problem here is that it is government policy to keep groups seperated. The government funds the cultural and ethnic programs but does little else to help immigrants. Why do you think Muslim leaders are saying they need better representation in the police and other organizations? It is because government policy has kept them out of important areas of the labour force. Why do you think there are so many visible minority taxi drivers with professional degrees? Because government policy limits their particpation in the labour force by prioritizing cultural or identity politics.

How does this help Canada? Well it protects the more lucrative labour markets by ensuring new immigrants do not compete for the better jobs. It also means there is a steady supply of workers for menial jobs.

And multicultural policy has over the last decade helped the liberals stay in power. The liberals base is the cities which is where visible minsorites are concentrated.

New immigrants arrive in Canada but they are not offered courses as individuals to work in the trades. Rather they are directed to urban ghettos where the government subsidizes cultural programs and where the new immigrant can beef up Hindi language skills and learn how to flip dosas.

Why not let each individual make their own choice as to what kind of assistance they want when they arrive in Canada? Why not promote a system that recognizes indivdual value and freedom?

Keeping people apart and limiting their opportunity on the basis of ethnicty and race is state sponsored racism which is what the Canadian policy of multiculturalism is.

:!: Edit to correct spelling errors

 

[sanch]

You can't expect immigrants in general to integrate into Canadian society when your entire system is an advocate of distinct societies within a society.

The point of the policy of multiculturalism is to prevent integration and participation.

 

[BitWhys]

I really don't see how anyone can blame multiculturalism when there are many countries without such policies in place with much bigger problems than we have but if you really think turning the world onto white bread is going to solve everything don't let me stop you from saying so.
:joker:

 

[sanch]

I really don't see how anyone can blame multiculturalism when there are many countries without such policies in place with much bigger problems than we have but if you really think turning the world onto white bread is going to solve everything don't let me stop you from saying so.
:joker:

This is pure idiocy. No one is suggesting turning Canada into a monolithic white culture. New York City as an example is very cosmopolitan and much more ethnically integrated than Toronto. Also drive across the US and every small town has ethnic restaurants. All of this happened without a policy of multiculturalism. In contrast where is multicultrualism in Ontario outside of greater Toronto? How do you explain that? How do you explain that the Bush cabinet is extremely ethnically and racially diverse while Canadian cabinets tend to be mostly lily white?

There are worse places in the world agreed but you also have an argument against helping them.