Is there a God ?

[Pangloss]

China:

Many of us do not understand you. Your prose is dense, metaphorical to the point of senselessness, and your "logic", such as it is, is convoluted to the point of becoming a Gordion Knot.

If one person does not comprehend your writing, you can feel pretty safe assuming that person has deficient literary skills.

When many cannot comprehend you, it might instead be you.

Try simpler, more direct writing. Eschew metaphor. Make your point explicit. Shorten your sentences and paragraphs.

This is only a suggestion from someone who does actually want to understand what you are writing. You obviously put a lot of work into your posts, and I think it is a shame your style prevents your work from being appreciated by more of us.

Pangloss

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

DocDred


I know that .

how old are you? 1

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

China:

Many of us do not understand you. Your prose is dense, metaphorical to the point of senselessness, and your "logic", such as it is, is convoluted to the point of becoming a Gordion Knot.

If one person does not comprehend your writing, you can feel pretty safe assuming that person has deficient literary skills.

When many cannot comprehend you, it might instead be you.

Try simpler, more direct writing. Eschew metaphor. Make your point explicit. Shorten your sentences and paragraphs.

This is only a suggestion from someone who does actually want to understand what you are writing. You obviously put a lot of work into your posts, and I think it is a shame your style prevents your work from being appreciated by more of us.

Pangloss

i offered him the best possible way out of this .a practical means to further simple disscusion...he chose to post like a troll....
he's yanking everyone's chains....
he definatly does not know what he is even quoting and putting together here..
it's all he does.
He's a troll....

 

[karrie]

i offered him the best possible way out of this .a practical means to further simple disscusion...he chose to post like a troll....
he's yanking everyone's chains....
he definatly does not know what he is even quoting and putting together here..
it's all he does.
He's a troll....

China has a pretty long post history on cancon. I definitely wouldn't call him a troll. He is typically most polite and nonconfrontational. But I have seen this same go around with a few people.

 

[Pangloss]

China is not a troll (IMHO); he simply is an undisciplined writer - his own prose gets in his way.

Pangloss

 

[Pangloss]

BTW - you guys know I'm the "big bad guy" for bring this subject up this time. . .

Pangloss

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

China has a pretty long post history on cancon. I definitely wouldn't call him a troll. He is typically most polite and nonconfrontational. But I have seen this same go around with a few people.

ARGHHH but you can't do that to me.....i really thought we were gonna talk ...it's not one upmanship....i wanted him to get the real deal....is he like typing from chinnese prison by bribing his way to the internet.

Are they are feeding him wripped up new age books that never made it to print and he is reading scraps outta a box....

It's like twilight zone philosphy.

And den he ya justa go poo poo.....
and starta an udder tread....

 

[karrie]

ARGHHH but you can't do that to me.....i really thought we were gonna talk ...it's not one upmanship....i wanted him to get the real deal....

Doc, trust me, I found it quite clear that you were trying to honestly talk about it with him. Why he picked those words out of that post in an attempt to dismiss you is beyond me, because it's not typical of china.

 

[china]

DocDred

I don't understand china.....hmmm lets see ....you are trying to describe Rigpa a state of mind one finds in Mahamudra/Dogzhen practice and is a perequisit to be able to expierence Sunyata.

By saying..." I know that " I have acknowledged your problem of understanding the topic.

I offered him the best possible way out of this .a practical means to further simple disscusion...he chose to post like a troll.[/QUOT

Mister ,you don't need a"further simple discussion" ; reading your posts, it looks like you already have all the answers .Frankly ,I don't think you even know what a discussion is .Give you a hint ;don't understand something ...?, ask; we can investigate , together.....
But I think that's beyond you.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

DocDred




What is your question..??????????????????


...

How old are you,....Doc?
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it wasn't a question.

52

.....do you want to start over?.....
I've got the time....
Do you know what i was i was useing as a comparison to what you seem to be conveying?

 

[china]

Pangloss

China:

Many of us do not understand you. Your prose is dense, metaphorical to the point of senselessness, and your "logic", such as it is, is convoluted to the point of becoming a Gordion Knot.

If one person does not comprehend your writing, you can feel pretty safe assuming that person has deficient literary skills.

When many cannot comprehend you, it might instead be you.

Try simpler, more direct writing. Eschew metaphor. Make your point explicit. Shorten your sentences and paragraphs.

This is only a suggestion from someone who does actually want to understand what you are writing. You obviously put a lot of work into your posts, and I think it is a shame your style prevents your work from being appreciated by more of us.

Panglos

Hi Pangloss , thanks for the observation ,I think I know what you mean .Thanks

 

[Minority Observer84]

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I don''t get it you god is a cell phone text messaging service ?
Or is this link to this website the way to send your god a text message ?

 

[Minority Observer84]

Can anyone tell you if there is God or nothing at all? To know, you have to start with yourself You have only one instrument, the mind; and the mind is the brain also. Therefore, to find out the truth of this matter, you must understand the ways of the mind, right? If the mind is crooked you will never see straight; if the mind is very limited you cannot perceive the illimitable. The mind is the instrument of perception and, to perceive truly, the mind must be made straight, it must be cleansed of all conditioning, of all fear. The mind must also be free of knowledge, because knowledge diverts the mind and makes things twisted. The capacity of the mind to invent, to imagine, to speculate, to think - this capacity must be put aside so that the mind is very clear and very simple? Because it is only the innocent mind, the mind that has experienced vastly and yet is free of knowledge and experience; it is only such a mind that can discover that which is more than brain and mind. Otherwise, what you discover will be colored by what you have already experienced, and your experience is the result of your conditioning.

That's why we have logic and rationalism . To Draw conclusions not based on what we feel is better , not on what we were raised on ................ . When one applies ration and logic to the question of god one comes away with the idea that God Could possible exist but then so again could Zelda so in the absence of conclusive energy again logic makes the determination of the negative .

 

[karrie]

I don''t get it you god is a cell phone text messaging service ?
Or is this link to this website the way to send your god a text message ?

Aw sweet... texting god! God has chosen the most annoying, pointless form of communication to recieve our prayers! Hallelujiah!!

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Aw sweet... texting god! God has chosen the most annoying, pointless form of communication to recieve our prayers! Hallelujiah!!

end my broadcast day with ...hilarious...way funny karrie...

 

[karrie]

end my broadcast day with ...hilarious...way funny karrie...

glad you liked it!

 

[Curiosity]

To explain to some who continue to judge China - especially for his linguistic tendencies... the trolling here is not of China's doing - it belongs to those who refuse to see beyond what you want to in his words. That would be your choice of course - but why bother if you are receiving nothing - other than another opportunity to incite insult towards him. Would it not be better to move along?

China was a celibate monk - for how many years I do not know - only that he has shared it with people on this forum that I feel able to replicate the information.

He is I believe of Polish heritage - but as with many European nations - not sure - but English is not his primary language.

He is now married - living in China - touring China - perhaps the stage of technical offerings in China regarding the internet - especially keyboards - make it difficult for him to translate what would be current Canadian language arts a la forum style of jargon..

Give a bit of room here regardless of your dislike of his prose... - unless you wish to dialogue in Polish - or Cantonese - or Mandarin - or any other language China has probably mastered.

 

[MikeyDB]

Well said Curio.

 

[china]

MikeyDB........."well said Curio.

Hi Mikey,
You should know that our Curio will never just "silently glide along."
Thanks Dear Curio.

 

[JoeSchmoe]

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I like that.

What is the state of the mind that says, "I do not know whether there is God, whether there is no God, that is, when there is no response of memory? The mind that is capable of saying, "I do not know," is in the only state in which anything can be discovered. But the man who says, "I know," the man who has studied infinitely the varieties of human experience and whose mind is burdened with information, with encyclopedic knowledge, can he ever experience something which is not to be accumulated? He will find it extremely hard. When the mind totally puts aside all the knowledge that it has acquired, when for it there are no Buddhas, no Christs, no Masters, no teachers, no religions, no quotations; when the mind is completely alone, uncontaminated, which means that the movement of the known has come to an end - it is only then that there is a possibility of a tremendous revolution, a fundamental change , for him the blessing of the sacred comes into being.

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Thanks China.... and good post. "The mind that is capable of saying, "I do not know", is the only state in which anything can be discovered".

More people need to say the simple four words "I do not know". You can still have faith and not know.... Those four words would suddenly take away power from those preaching that they DO know... and that THEIR message is the RIGHT message... all others be DAMNED!