Is the phrase "In God We Trust" and the pledge a endorsement of religion?

[ironsides]

Yes, of course. It's only atheists that object. Whatever you say. lmao

Ironsides, if the US actually did believe in its own constitution, US money would also have, "In Allah we trust" printed in Muslim languages, "in (list of Hundu gods) we trust" listed in Hindi", etc. or else there would be no religiosity on anything used by the general public.

In the news, it wasn't that long ago that there was consternation by Muslims and others about Muslim children and others being subjected to the lord's prayer at schools. It isn't in schools anymore. Yup, I should open my eyes perhaps, but you, morgan, should sometimes shut up and open your ears and mind.

In God We Trust: All Others Pay Cash

The U.S. was founded upon Christian beliefs at the time. Allowing other religions in does not mean we have to adapt to their customs, just allow them to worship as they wish without any form of persecution. We also expect them to respect our customs also or move on.

 

[captain morgan]

Based on the rhetoric offered by the many atheists that decry the mere mention of God or having the name etched on a building, you'd think that America should feel some kind of shame or offer an apology for being founded by Christian explorers/settlers.

 

[Spade]

"God" is a generic descriptor. For all we know, on American currency the term could refer to Thor. After all, didn't the Americans name a rocket after Thor?

By the way, happy Thor'sday everyone!

 

[captain morgan]

.. And we're expecting some of Thor's hijinx around here today.. What a coincidence.

A quick point Spade, if one assumes that the word is a generic descriptor, then why all the fuss? ... Ohhh that's right. it's the atheists that feel excluded.

Maybe we can provide a special currency for that group - Hell, I'll even throw in a helmet for 'em that they can wear whenever they want to spend money.. Don't want them hurting themselves you understand.

 

[Niflmir]

Based on the rhetoric offered by the many atheists that decry the mere mention of God or having the name etched on a building, you'd think that America should feel some kind of shame or offer an apology for being founded by Christian explorers/settlers.

Didn't really read the thread did you? America was founded by secularists who wanted a society everyone could live in. The word "God" was added to currency later on by Christians who were disturbed by the lack of the word on existing legislation and infrastructure.

This thread is all about reverting a historical revision which you are perpetrating.

 

[darkbeaver]

Everyone, especially masons.

 

[Spade]

Come to think of it, looking at American foreign policy over the years, it must be Thor!

 

[darkbeaver]

Could it be that In God We Trust is only an admission of surrender to the unknown. There's a god of sorts in everyones life, go ahead reject this.

 

[JLM]

"God" is a generic descriptor. For all we know, on American currency the term could refer to Thor. After all, didn't the Americans name a rocket after Thor?

By the way, happy Thor'sday everyone!

Same to you Spade, glad to see you've rejoined the club............:lol::lol::lol:

 

[captain morgan]

Didn't really read the thread did you? America was founded by secularists who wanted a society everyone could live in. The word "God" was added to currency later on by Christians who were disturbed by the lack of the word on existing legislation and infrastructure.

This thread is all about reverting a historical revision which you are perpetrating.

Sure i read the thread, and even more importantly, I've read the OP - Have you?

There is no mention anywhere about the nation being founded by secularists, nor is there any mention of retroactively re-writing US history... But on that note, perhaps you can direct me to the source that illustrates the idea that the nation was founded by secularists..

 

[Niflmir]

Could it be that In God We Trust is only an admission of surrender to the unknown. There's a god of sorts in everyones life, go ahead reject this.

Yes, you can say that if you ignore historical context and the usual definition of trust which would imply that it is a personal god, not Spinoza's god or Brahman.

 

[darkbeaver]

I will think about that.

 

[strange]

Religion is culture. What a waste of time to cry over a pledge.

 

[captain morgan]

Religion is culture. What a waste of time to cry over a pledge.

The atheists are upset because it isn't their pledge.

 

[ironsides]

"God" is a generic descriptor. For all we know, on American currency the term could refer to Thor. After all, didn't the Americans name a rocket after Thor?

By the way, happy Thor'sday everyone!

Thor would be like naming a the rocket Jesus. Thor is the son of Odin. Odin is the name of the Norse God. Happy Thor'sday to you.

 

[Niflmir]

Sure i read the thread, and even more importantly, I've read the OP - Have you?

There is no mention anywhere about the nation being founded by secularists, nor is there any mention of retroactively re-writing US history... But on that note, perhaps you can direct me to the source that illustrates the idea that the nation was founded by secularists..

No I didn't. Due to my belief that people know how to the search feature and this thread's similarity to another thread on the exact same topic which I assumed this was.

Anyways, I will reproduce the evidence from that thread. Since I seem to have made a mistake there.

a. Revisionism of the currency to refer to God, taking it off, and then adding it again.
b. The US was founded on secularist principles. The only mention of religion being the amendment forbidding the government establishment of one.

Moreover, since this thread also references the pledge of allegiance, here is some more revisionism for you. Just in case you cannot get enough, it should be "E Pluribus Unum" not "In God We Trust" where the original just seemed too communist.

 

[Niflmir]

Religion is culture. What a waste of time to cry over a pledge.

Much better to cry about people crying about a pledge.

 

[ironsides]

Could it be that In God We Trust is only an admission of surrender to the unknown. There's a god of sorts in everyones life, go ahead reject this.

No way will I reject that. . Everyone has their own personal mental safety net to call upon in times of turmoil and stress.

 

[ironsides]

No one dies an atheist.

 

[captain morgan]

No I didn't. Due to my belief that people know how to the search feature and this thread's similarity to another thread on the exact same topic which I assumed this was.

Anyways, I will reproduce the evidence from that thread. Since I seem to have made a mistake there.

a. Revisionism of the currency to refer to God, taking it off, and then adding it again.
b. The US was founded on secularist principles. The only mention of religion being the amendment forbidding the government establishment of one.

Moreover, since this thread also references the pledge of allegiance, here is some more revisionism for you. Just in case you cannot get enough, it should be "E Pluribus Unum" not "In God We Trust" where the original just seemed too communist.

We may just have to agree to disagree on this. Here's a link that offers an interesting discussion of this very issue. It's kind f a Q&A style page, but offers a decent and objective (relatively) commentary on the topic:

U.S. History: U.S. Constitution, god of the old testament, god in the pledge

A couple of short quotes:

Q: Was the Constitution based on Judeo-Christian values? When they put one nation under God in the pledge of allegiance,did they mean the God of the old testament /What about In God We Trust on our money? I was debating with a friend on wether or not our nation is a Christian nation and wether the founding fathers used Christian heritage and back ground as influence when they drafted that document.

A: The founders had a range of views, but generally most of them considered themselves Deists.....

There is more of a focus on science, logic, and reason.....

God is not mentioned in any of them (perhaps a very oblique reference in the phrase "blessings of liberty")......

That said, the founders were almost uniformly Christian, and regular church-goers.
There are many statements from founders that the citizenry's voluntary acceptance of Christian principles was important to maintaining a just and ordered society.