Is the phrase "In God We Trust" and the pledge a endorsement of religion?

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Atheists Sue to Kill D.C. 'In God We Trust' Engraving

MADISON, Wis. -- The nation's largest group of atheists and agnostics filed a lawsuit Tuesday seeking to block an architect from engraving "In God We Trust" and the Pledge of Allegiance at the Capitol Visitor Center in Washington.
The Madison-based Freedom From Religion Foundation's lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in western Wisconsin, claims the taxpayer-funded engravings would be an unconstitutional endorsement of religion.
The House and Senate passed identical resolutions this month directing the Architect of the Capitol to engrave "In God We Trust" and the pledge in prominent places at the entrance for 3 million tourists who visit the Capitol each year.
The resolution came in response to critics who complained Congress spent $621 million on the new three-story underground center without paying respect to the nation's religious heritage. The center opened in December after years of construction.
The foundation is seeking a court order to stop the engravings, which the Congressional Budget Office estimates will cost less than $100,000.
"In God We Trust" has been the national motto since 1956 and has appeared on U.S. currency since 1957.
The lawsuit says both the motto and the words "under God" in the pledge were adopted during the Cold War as anti-communism measures. Engraving them at the entrance to the U.S. Capitol would discriminate against those who do not practice religion and unfairly promote a Judeo-Christian perspective, it says.
The group also is challenging the constitutionality of the National Day of Prayer in federal court. In 2007, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that foundation members could not sue to stop parts of President George W. Bush's faith-based initiative.
© 2009 Associated Press.

Would anyone consider this something to fight over? Seems that even though that atheists and agnostics are tolerated and not persecuted, they want to force their beliefs or non-belief upon the majority. This is not an endorsement of religion, and since they have no beliefs does not infringe on them.
 
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Would anyone consider this something to fight over? Seems that even though that atheists and agnostics are tolerated and not persecuted, they want to force their beliefs or non-belief upon the majority.

The poor wee little lambs - having to walk into a building that has the word 'God' carved into it.... Can you imagine the torture and pain?
 
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If your snide derision actually had a good basis, morgan, we'd be seeing Muslims and Buddhists going into churches and synagogues, Jews and Christians going into temples and mosques. It isn't just atheists that object to the Christian god being referenced everywhere.
 
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Open your eyes. Maybe you're not invited into the synagogues, mosques or churches but generally speaking, most everyone else that is willing to respect the opportunity and adhere to the rules are welcome... It makes perfect sense that you wouldn't understand this - no big surprise there.

... And no, it isn't the Buddhists and Muslims complaining - it is the atheists and agnostics as the aforementioned religious representatives understand that the development of a regional 'tradition' or practice is a byproduct of that society.
 
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If your snide derision actually had a good basis, morgan, we'd be seeing Muslims and Buddhists going into churches and synagogues, Jews and Christians going into temples and mosques. It isn't just atheists that object to the Christian god being referenced everywhere.
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There is no difference in Christian, Jewish, Muslim or Buddhist God, they are one in the same. The only difference is their perception of him. So cannot see objection from them.
 
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Open your eyes. Maybe you're not invited into the synagogues, mosques or churches but generally speaking, most everyone else that is willing to respect the opportunity and adhere to the rules are welcome... It makes perfect sense that you wouldn't understand this - no big surprise there.

... And no, it isn't the Buddhists and Muslims complaining - it is the atheists and agnostics as the aforementioned religious representatives understand that the development of a regional 'tradition' or practice is a byproduct of that society.
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Yes, of course. It's only atheists that object. Whatever you say. lmao

Ironsides, if the US actually did believe in its own constitution, US money would also have, "In Allah we trust" printed in Muslim languages, "in (list of Hundu gods) we trust" listed in Hindi", etc. or else there would be no religiosity on anything used by the general public.

In the news, it wasn't that long ago that there was consternation by Muslims and others about Muslim children and others being subjected to the lord's prayer at schools. It isn't in schools anymore. Yup, I should open my eyes perhaps, but you, morgan, should sometimes shut up and open your ears and mind.

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There is no difference in Christian, Jewish, Muslim or Buddhist God, they are one in the same. The only difference is their perception of him. So cannot see objection from them.
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Yeah. They all could use the Bible. No Qu'rans, Rig Veda, or the Upanishads, etc. It'd sure save a lot of good trees.
 
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"Would anyone consider this something to fight over? Seems that even though that atheists and agnostics are tolerated and not persecuted, they want to force their beliefs or non-belief upon the majority. This is not an endorsement of religion, and since they have no beliefs does not infringe on them."


Isn't an atheist just doing the exact same thing as any religion that tries to push their doctrine on a group of people? When America was founded church and state were separate.
 
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Yes, of course. It's only atheists that object. Whatever you say. lmao

Ironsides, if the US actually did believe in its own constitution, US money would also have, "In Allah we trust" printed in Muslim languages, "in (list of Hundu gods) we trust" listed in Hindi", etc. or else there would be no religiosity on anything used by the general public.

In the news, it wasn't that long ago that there was consternation by Muslims and others about Muslim children and others being subjected to the lord's prayer at schools. It isn't in schools anymore. Yup, I should open my eyes perhaps, but you, morgan, should sometimes shut up and open your ears and mind.

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... And here I thought that this issue was about having the words "In God We Trust" carved on the exterior of a gvt building. Ofcourse, when there is no basis fro rebuttal, the response of vastly altered in order to make a failed point....A predictable response from a pretender.

Think long and hard about re-reading the OP (I'll assume you or your handler can read) and tell me exactly where the focal point changes to the Lord's Prayer.
 
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