Is the BNP really that bad?

[Machjo]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/BNP_uk_manifesto.pdf

If you look though the BNP's Manifesto, there's not doubt that it's a racially, nationally and ethnically prejudice party. It is also xenophobic, isolationist, and nationalist.

To our surprise though, it's brand of nationalism is what we might call universal indigenous ethnicism, whereby the BNP expresses no interest in imperial conquest and places a high emphasis on respect for local cultures, be they English, Welsh, Scots, Ulster, etc. within Britain, and an opposition to poaching human resources from developing countries, following a kind of 'don't help them, but don't hurt them either' attitude.

If we read the BNP's policies on immigration, though I am opposed to much of it and even offended by some of it, I still can't deny that the BNP still acknowledges the humanity of immigrants and that their rights ought to be respected too, even if the BNP wants them to leave.

On the military front, again, though I find the BNP to be excessively isolationist, I do admire the idea that it intends to keep its military within its borders and not be lap dogs to the US. Though I'm for alliances myself an do believe in the idea of a 'just war' in aid to a weaker allied country, I also believe that non-involvement is still the next best thing to that, so if a country will not be fighting any just wars, then if it at least abstains from any unjust war, that alone is already something.

Now don't get me wrong here. Owing to the racial and nationalist prejudices of the BNP, I'd be hard pressed to support it. To be fair to the BNP though, I'd say that though many of its views are ignorant in my opinion, I must also acknowledge that they are well-intentioned, and that the BNP is nothing like the fascist party many make it out to be. In fact, on closer observation, many opponents of the BNP would be shocked to find that they share many views in common with other parties too.

 

[petros]

Nationalism has repeatedly proven it's self to be as dangerous as non-secular idealisms.

It all looks good from this side of the fence....

 

[Machjo]

Nationalism has repeatedly proven it's self to be as dangerous as non-secular idealisms.

It all looks good from this side of the fence....

Certainly nationalism in any form can be dangerous, and I'd certainly worry if the BNP were to form a government in the UK. I'm also not denying the BNP's racial views either, along with many other issues I take with it.

What I am saying is that, as wrong as that party is on many racial issues, as racist a party as it is, it's certainly not a fascist or Nazi Party by any means. It's certainly the closest thing Britain has to a fascist party, but it's still not a fascist party. It opposes British military involvement abroad an supports isolationism. Though I oppose isolationism myself, I can still acknowledge that an isolationist party is no threat to other countries, only to itself.

And as for the treatment of racial minorities in Britain, indeed the BNP's proposal of essentially bribing them to leave Britain and to bribe host countries to take them in is highly offensive, but a far cry from Nazi concentration camps.

And the BNP's proposal of respecting local indigenous cultures, such as the Welsh, Scots, etc., also distances the BNP from cultural imperialism, assuming of course that that respect is not just lip service.

Indeed the BNP has many problems, but a fair and unbiassed observation indicates that as racist and nationalist as teh BNP is, it is not a fascist or Nazi party, even if it may have such roots. But again, I would worry if the BNP ever formed a government.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

The BNP are racialists, not racists. Modern, global elites cannot discuss race for fear of being tarred as racists, they are hysterical on this issue. Raciailists acknowledge the existence of race but do not consider one race superior to another. I feel we all believe race exists, but it is a volatile issue, but it's real.

I saw the BNP leader on TV, actually YouTube from the BBC. And the leader said for instance that blacks already in the country who are English/British and support English/British culture, he no problem with them. Those of all races who do not support the English/British culture and merely wish to use the country he is against.

He is is against further immigration because he sees Britain as full, as do many other people. This is a Green party idea too.

 

[AnnaG]

Certainly nationalism in any form can be dangerous, and I'd certainly worry if the BNP were to form a government in the UK. I'm also not denying the BNP's racial views either, along with many other issues I take with it.

What I am saying is that, as wrong as that party is on many racial issues, as racist a party as it is, it's certainly not a fascist or Nazi Party by any means. It's certainly the closest thing Britain has to a fascist party, but it's still not a fascist party. It opposes British military involvement abroad an supports isolationism. Though I oppose isolationism myself, I can still acknowledge that an isolationist party is no threat to other countries, only to itself.

And as for the treatment of racial minorities in Britain, indeed the BNP's proposal of essentially bribing them to leave Britain and to bribe host countries to take them in is highly offensive, but a far cry from Nazi concentration camps.

And the BNP's proposal of respecting local indigenous cultures, such as the Welsh, Scots, etc., also distances the BNP from cultural imperialism, assuming of course that that respect is not just lip service.

Indeed the BNP has many problems, but a fair and unbiassed observation indicates that as racist and nationalist as teh BNP is, it is not a fascist or Nazi party, even if it may have such roots. But again, I would worry if the BNP ever formed a government.

It sounds to me as if it is preservationist then.

 

[Niflmir]

It sounds to me as if it is preservationist then.

Quoted for justice.