Respect grows.
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DL
Then I hope he will enjoy being ignored.
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Is it moral for God to punish us?
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Respect grows.
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DL
Then I hope he will enjoy being ignored.
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DL
Does this really sound like He was fixing the problems or identifying what the problems were?
M't:23:33-38:
Ye serpents,
ye generation of vipers,
how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Wherefore,
behold,
I send unto you prophets,
and wise men,
and scribes:
and some of them ye shall kill and crucify;
and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues,
and persecute them from city to city:
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,
from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias,
whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Verily I say unto you,
All these things shall come upon this generation.
O Jerusalem,
Jerusalem,
thou that killest the prophets,
and stonest them which are sent unto thee,
how often would I have gathered thy children together,
even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings,
and ye would not!
Behold,
your house is left unto you desolate.
The grave in the OT was considered to be an escape proof prison. One that also had a date set in which all prisoners would be released with a full pardon.
Joh:11:23:
Jesus saith unto her,
Thy brother shall rise again.
Joh:11:24:
Martha saith unto him,
I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
The temple on earth is in Jerusalem, the temple from Re:4 is a heavenly temple that is in the realm of angelic beings. The city from Hebrews:12 is where God, the Holy Spirit and Christ are from. The 2/3 of created angels that inherit a new heaven with move to that place as their new heaven. Mankind will inherit their current heaven as our new earth.
It's a quote.
Identifying problem was not the question. The question was to God's murdering habits as compared to Jesus curing instead of killing.
Stay on topic and stop thumping off topic garbage.
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DL
I sit corrected.
I blame my spelling on being Franglais. Tri-polar might help me remember.
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DL
Identifying problem was not the question. The question was to God's murdering habits as compared to Jesus curing instead of killing.
Stay on topic and stop thumping off topic garbage.
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DL
I blame my spelling on being Franglais. Tri-polar might help me remember.
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DL
You make fewer mistakes than I do.
The old religions had the Christ chartacter twined with the Satan or Set character both are types representing the polarity of the universe, there must be two, all life exists in the tension betwen the two poles. upper lower, right wrong, light and dark, left and right, good and bad, only those two primal twins represent the pure extremes all other life flutters between the two. Absolute good and absolute evil. With that as the base or form of the whole I can hazard another answer to your original question.
As wonderful as life in flesh is it is not the final destination of souls, it is hard to remember that your soul is what is important and that the meat as lovely as it is is just a lump of clay, matter, the spirit and the soul is what life is to harden or temper improve for what ever reason God needs souls familiar with working matter into things and beings to fill his universe with worshippers of all kinds. Wierd eh, but thats almost what the ancients say. So as horrific as the death of a baby is to us it is not the end of that little souls adventure in the universe it will come back to flesh as many times as it takes to gain resurection from the tomb of flesh and regain it's original state in the celestial heaven or home. That is what the word religion mean to regain home or heaven or the origin.
No pain no gain. That is a very old fact of life and it is true everywhere in the material world. No work no play. No sad no happy.
You make fewer mistakes than I do.
The old religions had the Christ chartacter twined with the Satan or Set character both are types representing the polarity of the universe, there must be two, all life exists in the tension betwen the two poles. upper lower, right wrong, light and dark, left and right, good and bad, only those two primal twins represent the pure extremes all other life flutters between the two. Absolute good and absolute evil. With that as the base or form of the whole I can hazard another answer to your original question.
As wonderful as life in flesh is it is not the final destination of souls, it is hard to remember that your soul is what is important and that the meat as lovely as it is is just a lump of clay, matter, the spirit and the soul is what life is to harden or temper improve for what ever reason God needs souls familiar with working matter into things and beings to fill his universe with worshippers of all kinds. Wierd eh, but thats almost what the ancients say. So as horrific as the death of a baby is to us it is not the end of that little souls adventure in the universe it will come back to flesh as many times as it takes to gain resurection from the tomb of flesh and regain it's original state in the celestial heaven or home. That is what the word religion mean to regain home or heaven or the origin.
No pain no gain. That is a very old fact of life and it is true everywhere in the material world. No work no play. No sad no happy.
Dualism is not exact.
The love I have for family and friends has no hate to balance it.
I also do not believe in things without proof and that would include reincarnation.
I do believe that there is an evolution to what you call our souls but it does not include our souls being a yoyo that bounces back and forth between heaven and earth.
Do you have any meat to put on your bony belief?
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DL
Jesus enlarged the number of people that would come under judgment. 8 people were saved from the flood, a few Jews were saved from the 70AD scattering and 1/3 of the living Gentiles will be saved from the judgment that comes with the 7 vials. It is equal to a human parent sending their child to their bedroom for the hour that comes before the evening meal starts. Wrath and then rewards, you know like the book promotes.
That is the part you don't get, for every person that enters the grave there is one resurrection to go with that. Until you understand that part you can spend a month of Sundays creating threads and you won't end up being one bit wiser about God. How much progress did you make in the last 5 years? I'm betting you are at about the same level.
The universe once no new stars are being created. What version were you expecting? The Bible calls it the 'void' in Ge:1
Your thread topic concerns God and punishment, DL.
I have never yet met a believer who regards God as Punisher. Savior, Sanctifier, Healer and Coming King, yes. But never, Punisher.
Those who regard God as Punisher do so in fear. Fear of this kind is a dark gift. It is exposed and rejected in the light of Christ.
"There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love." (1 John 4:18 NIV)
You must have. It's the whole reason christians invented hell. to punish. to have people punished. to fear punishment from god.
There are plenty of non-believers who regard God as Punisher, Twila. I do not. Nor do those I know who regard Jesus as Christ.
You may have missed the part that the 'churches' version of hell has a card that exempts a person if he makes a 'weekly donation', one that is tax deduction also. Can't really see anything that could be corrupt there considering salvation is universal and always has been, time and the grave are the only 'stumbling blocks' in the way.
She's busy at the moment, however, I've read that blackholes do not exist, there is something there, the center of a really big electrical transmission line, AC, here's a whole page of links I particularly like Crothers https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/?s=black+holes
Yes, there are plenty of Christians who feel that God will punish the atheists, the non believers, the sinners, etc. So a punishing god is what they believe. It's what they fear will happen to them in their next life if they don't life this life according to their interpretation of the bible. Is this not so?
Or the funny little cubicle where you can tell the priest your sins and after some incantation recital you're golden again.
Absolution sounds like it could be a wonderful thing for those drowning in guilt over a perceived transgression, but many people just use it to absolve themselves of a sin that they never felt guilt over thinking that'll part the pearly gates for em.
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That's a bold statement in support of instability that cannot exist with respect to the whole but can only exist locally.
You are human and therefore imperfect you may rest assured that the hate you don't see does exist. So your love is positive current and hate is simply a space that it can occupy. A human sees hate as a thing in need of love and the positive current sees the negative as a place in need of balance.
You are imperfect, knowing that you should be suspicious of something that seems to prove your thinking. That being the case you will never satisfy your need for proof. Reason is the great gift from the God, you can exercise that with your will, the answer is as difficult to arrive at as the question is to form, knock and the door will open. As long as you occupy the flesh you can be reasonably sure and no surer.
Well you could read the near death testimony of thousands and perhaps get some further assurance one way or the other.
Belief sometimes is a brother of faith other times a brother of reason. The former is the lazy mans surrender to suggestion the later is the result of the pain and pleasure of hard work. Of course all of this is my adventure and it is mostly unapplicable to the next person because after everything is said you are very much alone with respect to God and so is every individual. In the end nothing can help you as much as your own reasoning and derived feelings.
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That's a bold statement in support of instability that cannot exist with respect to the whole but can only exist locally.
You are human and therefore imperfect you may rest assured that the hate you don't see does exist. So your love is positive current and hate is simply a space that it can occupy. A human sees hate as a thing in need of love and the positive current sees the negative as a place in need of balance.
You are imperfect, knowing that you should be suspicious of something that seems to prove your thinking. That being the case you will never satisfy your need for proof. Reason is the great gift from the God, you can exercise that with your will, the answer is as difficult to arrive at as the question is to form, knock and the door will open. As long as you occupy the flesh you can be reasonably sure and no surer.
Well you could read the near death testimony of thousands and perhaps get some further assurance one way or the other.
Belief sometimes is a brother of faith other times a brother of reason. The former is the lazy mans surrender to suggestion the later is the result of the pain and pleasure of hard work. Of course all of this is my adventure and it is mostly unapplicable to the next person because after everything is said you are very much alone with respect to God and so is every individual. In the end nothing can help you as much as your own reasoning and derived feelings.
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DL[/QUOTE]
There are a great many people who mistakenly think they are Christians. The oldest explanations are the fullest and bear very little resemblance to the modern versions so much so that an ancient would not recognize a modern person to be of the same faith as themselves.
Show facts and not delusional thinking. That is how you teach something new.
You know that all you have is your delusion.
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DL