Is it moral for God to punish us?

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AnnaG said:
I do not think that Islam understands the concept of forgiveness. Certainly the god does not.

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Allah does forgive but the soul has to submit to his laws and his laws are anti-human rights.


Christianity preaches that we are either slaves to sin of slaves to God.

Islam preaches about the same thing with a bunch of virgins at the end of life as the incentive to help the reluctant men sell their souls to his satanic theology.


Neither religions is worthy of respect as both are homophobic and misogynous. Islam does believe in true child slavery on earth as well so that makes them even more morally repugnant than Christianity. Christian hell after death is more palatable than Islam's hell on earth for women.


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French Patriot said:
Allah does forgive but the soul has to submit to his laws and his laws are anti-human rights.


Christianity preaches that we are either slaves to sin of slaves to God.

Islam preaches about the same thing with a bunch of virgins at the end of life as the incentive to help the reluctant men sell their souls to his satanic theology.


Neither religions is worthy of respect as both are homophobic and misogynous. Islam does believe in true child slavery on earth as well so that makes them even more morally repugnant than Christianity. Christian hell after death is more palatable than Islam's hell on earth for women.


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DL
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DL you might just be a Heathen.:). That's not necessarily a bad thing though.
 
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Ludlow said:
I'm hoping for pistachio almond ice cream. The kind I had at the old soda fountain at the drug store when I was a kid.

although if that isn't available I'll take strawberry or black walnut.
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You may want to appeal to Edensia or Triptolemus or another goddess or god then.
 
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The first one is a Roman goddess and the second one is a Greek god. hehe

I love walnuts, cashews, pistachios, etc. and will put them in almost any dessert or snack.
My prefered ice creams: maple walnut and tiger stripe. Sherbet: orange and lime.
 
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I think, you may have missed what I mean:
It is to explain why God decides to imprison the atheist and the idolater in Hell forever.
Moreover, the Islam's morality is other than Muslim's morality; just like Christian's morality and others.



While to speak about Muslim's morality will be certainly better than the French morality when they invaded Algeria and other African countries.
In a recent report of the French intelligence, of incidents that took place about 40 years ago: what they did in Africa: revolutions, assassinations, invading ...etc.
Of Algeria alone they killed one million persons till the sixtieths of the last century.
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. . . and because you were abused you get some rewards that are above your natural station in 'life' that is based on works alone. The grace that is increased is 'paid for' by the abusers as their punishment is worse that just going to the grave. They are denied sleep in the grave. (that also doubles as the time in which they repent)
 
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DL you might just be a Heathen.. That's not necessarily a bad thing though.
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What kind of pay and perks are we talking?:)


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DL

AnnaG said:
IMO, the after death is no better in either.
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No argument. Virgins are overrated and a man would have to be insane to want more than one.


Woman are God's gift to man, but in pairs ----------------no, no, no. A thousand times no.


I support feminist and seek equality for all but I am not crazy.


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DL

MHz said:
. . . and because you were abused you get some rewards that are above your natural station in 'life' that is based on works alone. The grace that is increased is 'paid for' by the abusers as their punishment is worse that just going to the grave. They are denied sleep in the grave. (that also doubles as the time in which they repent)
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You miss the point of God watching porn what he would have to just see as porn instead of a real rape.


God cannot seem to tell the difference and that is why the God Christianity and Islam follow is such a prick.


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DL
 
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The flood in Noah's time was caused by what? (according to the book's story-line) The story-line ends with another event that kills all the wicked, 2/3 of the planet is in disbelief even after a few years where 2 people have power like Moses had during the days of the plagues. That would be when He is 'watching' again.
 
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MHz said:
The flood in Noah's time was caused by what? (according to the book's story-line) The story-line ends with another event that kills all the wicked, 2/3 of the planet is in disbelief even after a few years where 2 people have power like Moses had during the days of the plagues. That would be when He is 'watching' again.
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Do you find it strange that Jesus said he came to cure the ill, sinners that is, yet every time God shows up around sinners, he kills them instead of curing them?


Seems that the Trinity and it's 3 heads is some kind of by-polar God.


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French Patriot said:
Do you find it strange that Jesus said he came to cure the ill, sinners that is, yet every time God shows up around sinners, he kills them instead of curing them?
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Jesus could not do anything, in his lifetime, unless by God's might; i.e. it is God that worked the miracles and let them happen by the hand of Jesus. Jesus Christ did only pray, and God answered his prayer.

So Jesus and all other prophets had the miracles given to them by God, and not by their own accord and by their own might.
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Moreover, the sinner should repent, so that God may turn towards him, while if he does not repent and ask God's forgiveness, then he may not be forgiven, and may be then punished or pardoned this is up to God Himself.

In addition, the One Who forgives the sin is God and none else; it means: neither Jesus, nor Moses nor Mohammed can forgive anyone; the forgiveness entirely is up to God Himself: if He likes He may forgive and if He likes He will not forgive anyone.

Quran 4: 49
{49. Haven't you [Mohammed] seen those [Christians] who claim forgiveness for themselves a; not so, but God offers forgiveness [of sins] to whomsoever He pleases [to forgive] b, and they will not be wronged even it be a 'fateil' [: a minute plant seed.]

[And clergies said: God permitted us to forgive the sinner, so God denied their words:]
50. See [Mohammed] what a lie c have they invented against God! And this [lie] by itself suffices for a manifest sin.}
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a of sins; i.e. they forgive the sins of each other.

Among the habits of Christians and their traditions, is that the sinner among them goes to the clergy to confess his sins to him, and the clergy will forgive him his sins and pardons him.

So God – be glorified – rejected their deeds and demeaned their doctrines:

b And the forgiveness is not up to clergies, so God will punish them in the Next Life according to their acts.

c With such words.

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
 
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. . . and because you were abused you get some rewards that are above your natural station in 'life' that is based on works alone. The grace that is increased is 'paid for' by the abusers as their punishment is worse that just going to the grave. They are denied sleep in the grave. (that also doubles as the time in which they repent)
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Hearsay.

French Patriot said:
Do you find it strange that Jesus said he came to cure the ill, sinners that is, yet every time God shows up around sinners, he kills them instead of curing them?


Seems that the Trinity and it's 3 heads is some kind of by-polar God.


Regards
DL
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I just remembered this:
Discussion by: David R Allen
I've often wondered what a group of psychologists would make of god if they were presented with a list of behaviours described in the bible, but were not told who the person they were profiling was. How would they assess god. The following is what I think would be high on their lists.

Narcissistic. God likes to be praised. If you don't praise him, he will either kill you, send you to hell or excommunicate you. This suggests a fragile and shallow ego that can't exist without the approval of others. The praise must be elaborate and expensive and must be constant. Just saying. "I like you god." is not enough. You have to repeat this praise for your whole life.

Sociopath / Psychopath. God is probably the greatest serial killer of all time. He kills without conscience. He kills children too young to have formed evil intent. He selects his victims on racial grounds or because they don't worship and adore him. He kills animals and plants en masse. Again a sure sign of a serial killer who lacks empathy or a conscience. This is not an entity that should be used as a role model for morality or ethical behavior.

Exclusionary and corrupt. God has favourites. Far from all humans being created equal, god selected one tribe out of all of the millions on the planet and decide they were his pet humans. God used omnipotent powers to commit a genocide against people that were not of that select tribe, ethnically cleansed a piece of land for the exclusive use of one tribe, and then abandoned them shortly after to suffer a similar genocide in later history. This suggests that god's rationale for selecting his favourites is shallow and unreliable. God's promises cannot be trusted. God can also be swayed by bribes, gifts and offerings. The more brutal the offering, the more god likes it. A sure sign of a narcissistic cult mentality.

Disorganized and slap dash. There is much evidence of overkill (great floods, fires, earthquakes, etc), signifying rage and frustration. There is no pattern to these events as well, usually because disorganized killers are guided by delusion. They also don't try to hide what they do (quite the opposite – God has very noticeable M.O.s). Usually disorganized killers have poor interpersonal skills and their extreme psychosis causes them to be solitary. God's motivation is often vengeance. If he feels a slight, he is likely to overreact and kill en masse, rather that retribution to the individual. What offends god changes with time so it is very dangerous for humanity to do anything, lest god suddenly find this behaviour offensive, and send down another flood to wipe out life on earth, except his favourites.

Poor attention to detail. As a creator, god's science project, life in the universe and us, is a hodge podge of sticky tape and glue. The defects or poor design in life on earth are myriad and obvious. I won't list them as they have been the subject of brilliant exposure elsewhere in this discussion community.

You get the picture. I'm sure many more character flaws can be found in god's psychological profile given time. I found a psychological profile of god written by a student criminal profiler, which inspired this discussion suggestion. The full text can be found here.

Psychological Profile: God: whitechapelclub
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So, no.
I think the god of Christians and Islam is/are abnormally immoral.
 
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Jesus could not do anything, in his lifetime, unless by God's might; i.e. it is God that worked the miracles and let them happen by the hand of Jesus. Jesus Christ did only pray, and God answered his prayer.
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That was not my question. Speak to it and gain a bit of respect before expecting me to read the, to me, garbage that I started and then stopped reading.


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DL
 
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