Is Conservative Government Guilty Of War Crimes?

[Liberalman]

This definitely is a skeleton in their closet. Liberalman. The question is if it will do any lasting damage. I remember when Liberals had a majority; skeleton after skeleton did not hurt their popularity. Finally Gomery was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

My feeling is that if Harper sits on it, does nothing, it probably will blow over. I don’t see any lasting damage to conservative popularity as a result of this one scandal. Now, if they have say ten of them that will be a different matter, the cumulative effect will be devastating. But as to this one scandal, all Harper has to do is sweep it under the rug.

This one won't go away unless they can muzzle the media like they have with the CTV

All you need is one charge from the Hague from a country that does not like Canada and the problem will be ongoing.

 

[Avro]

The Conservatives knew about the torture but they were following the example of the Americans who opened their own prison in Gitmo and proceeded to torture their prisoners.

The Conservatives felt at the time that torture was a good way to find out about future terrorist attacks.

When the Conservatives saw that public opinion was going against them, that’s when they changed the rules and started the cover-up.

The Conservative government have to put up with the fact that they can't push human rights issues because of this fiasco.

The Conservative government will have to answer to war crime charges because they let the PMO make all the decisions and kept all the Conservative MPs in the dark.

Like I said before when you think the Conservatives have at a chance at a majority another skeleton falls out of their closet

You have no proof fo any of this.....none.

How do you know the Liberals didn't know what was going on?

 

[Cannuck]

I suggest we wait for further information before jumping to conclusions about what actually did or did not happen.

Where's the fun in that?

 

[Francis2004]

You have no proof fo any of this.....none.

How do you know the Liberals didn't know what was going on?

Even more reasons for an inquiry to be launched..

 

[Avro]

Even more reasons for an inquiry to be launched..

Perhaps, inquiries cost a lot, so waiting a few weeks to see where this goes seems to be prudent.

 

[Francis2004]

Perhaps, inquiries cost a lot, so waiting a few weeks to see where this goes seems to be prudent.

Bureaucrats are known to know that the more time you have the more time to shred files as well.. ;-)

 

[Cannuck]

Inquiries are a waste of time as the Somalia inquiry proved.

 

[Avro]

Inquiries are a waste of time as the Somalia inquiry proved.

So what then...just let it go?

 

[Cannuck]

So what then...just let it go?

Do you think the only options are to let it go or have an inquiry?

 

[Avro]

Do you think the only options are to let it go or have an inquiry?

Nope.

 

[Cannuck]

Nope.

Then why would you ask such a dumb question?

 

[Avro]

Then why would you ask such a dumb question?

I left it open for you to answer.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

You have no proof fo any of this.....none.

How do you know the Liberals didn't know what was going on?

We don’t know that, Avro. But since conservatives have been in power for more than three years now, it very much becomes their problem.

 

[Avro]

We don’t know that, Avro. But since conservatives have been in power for more than three years now, it very much becomes their problem.

Well, they made significant changes in 2007 and the incidents occured before that. So if it is true it was going on during and before the Tories were in charge and there evidence they (Tories) fixed it, which is suspisous in itself.

I think some sort of investication is in order and possibly a full inquiry if need be.

This will be difficult for Iggy because he approves of torture just he approved the invasion of Iraq.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Well, they made significant changes in 2007 and the incidents occured before that. So if it is true it was going on during and before the Tories were in charge and there evidence they (Tories) fixed it, which is suspisous in itself.

I think some sort of investication is in order and possibly a full inquiry if need be.

This will be difficult for Iggy because he approves of torture just he approved the invasion of Iraq.

It won’t be difficult for Iggy, opposition can always talk their way around such problems. They are not in power. Iggy can easily talk his way out of it, claiming that while he may support torture in some very limited cases, here it was totally unjustified. The inquiry is not going to focus on iggy, it is going to focus on Harper, he is the PM.

It will be difficult for Harper. If the inquiry finds any fault, it is going to blame Harper, and not what liberals did or did not do more than three years ago. I think public inquiry may be a disaster for Harper. There is no upside to it (politically) and there may well be downside.

If he is wise, he will refuse to appoint a commission, sit on it and hope that it will blow over (as it probably will).

 

[Avro]

It won’t be difficult for Iggy, opposition can always talk their way around such problems. They are not in power. Iggy can easily talk his way out of it, claiming that while he may support torture in some very limited cases, here it was totally unjustified. The inquiry is not going to focus on iggy, it is going to focus on Harper, he is the PM.

It will be difficult for Harper. If the inquiry finds any fault, it is going to blame Harper, and not what liberals did or did not do more than three years ago. I think public inquiry may be a disaster for Harper. There is no upside to it (politically) and there may well be downside.

If he is wise, he will refuse to appoint a commission, sit on it and hope that it will blow over (as it probably will).

Why was it unjustified and what is justified? Iggy will fumble and stumble over this the way he has been on everything since he parachuted into Canada.

Oil has a way of floating to the top, if something happened we will find out....unless no one cares.

 

[Colpy]

It won’t be difficult for Iggy, opposition can always talk their way around such problems. They are not in power. Iggy can easily talk his way out of it, claiming that while he may support torture in some very limited cases, here it was totally unjustified. The inquiry is not going to focus on iggy, it is going to focus on Harper, he is the PM.

It will be difficult for Harper. If the inquiry finds any fault, it is going to blame Harper, and not what liberals did or did not do more than three years ago. I think public inquiry may be a disaster for Harper. There is no upside to it (politically) and there may well be downside.

If he is wise, he will refuse to appoint a commission, sit on it and hope that it will blow over (as it probably will).

Absolutely.

No inquiry.....an inquiry would be a disaster. It would give every psycho-nation on earth an excuse to call us a nation of war crminals,,,,,,,,it would undermine our foreign policy........it would smear both the Liberals and the Conservatives........it would serve no useful purpose.

The important thing is to stop the practise of submitting prisoners for torture RIGHT NOW. Correct the problem. No need for navel-gazing and self-flagelation.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

t would give every psycho-nation on earth an excuse to call us a nation of war criminals...

Not just us either, all of NATO would be complicit here.

 

[Spade]

The conservative government has given every indication of ineptness in its blustery and accusatory reaction. Quite shameful really!

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I doubt that a Liberal government would have behaved any differently. In trouble? Shoot the messenger.