Is Canada the most Corrupt Country on earth per capita?

[iamcanadian]

Canada has only 30 million people in it. We are taxed more than any other and our resources are in abundance a sold off big time.

If we are not the most corrupt then I can't think of any other that could be. Surely China or India each with one billion people is nowehere near as corrupt as Canada.

Here we are talking thousands of dollars per person stolen. There it less than a penny per person for sure.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Is Canada the most Co

Your assertions about us being the most heavily taxed country have already been debunked, iamcanadian. You were able to provide no proof whatsoever.

You have also been unable to provide any proof of your assertions of Canada being the most corrupt country on earth.

 

[mrmom2]

Adscam UI fund missing a billion dollars and thers no coruption in Ottawa 8O Uhhh what do you call it then . :? C'mon

 

[Canucklehead]

RE: Is Canada the most Co

Has anyone ever stopped to consider that just because we, the Canadian public, believe we have the most corrupt government, it doesn't necessarily mean a darn thing.

For starters, the poll took into accont 1001 people from each nation. How many times have we been told that a bare minimum of 2000 people are required in this country to have any statistical relevance? Let's add to that that we tend to hold our government to a higher standard than a lot of nations... not that anything comes of it, or our bitching, but we know what is right and wrong and base a lot of our commentary on this.

Per capita wise... well.. that too is irrelevant as presented... $5000 to a Canadian may very well be equivelant to $0.03 to someone in Indonesia(for example). I may be able to afford losing $5 walking to the store (still be pissed about it but nonetheless able to afford it)... but to someone else, it could mean a meal that night or nothing.

 

[#juan]

It's the people that never leave, regardless who gets elected. These are more corrupt here than anywhere.

Do you have a link or any documentation of this or are you just trolling again? Maybe your handle should be "I am-anti-Canadian".

 

[mrmom2]

I must say though I do not think were the most corupt nation on the planet 8O :wink:

 

[Reverend Blair]

Adscam UI fund missing a billion dollars and thers no coruption in Ottawa Shocked Uhhh what do you call it then . Confused C'mon

Nobody is denying that corruption exists, Momsie. That's why the NDP ethics package is so important...it will greatly reduce corruption.

The assertion is that we are the most corrupt country on earth though. That simply isn't true.

Because of the poster that made the assertion and his political leanings, the implication was that the Liberals are corrupt but the Conservatives aren't. That isn't true either.

 

[iamcanadian]

ooops again.

 

[iamcanadian]

Rev you keep twisting my words. "Most Corrupt per Capita".

Sure there are more corrupt individuals in China or India since they have over a Billion people living there. That 1000 Million. 33 times more people live there.

However the dolar value of corruption in Canada is higher than China or India. They simply do not have the money there to steal in the abundance we have. They probably do not collect half the taxes from their population that Canadians pay all told.

 

[iamcanadian]

Any objective thought on this will prove that Canada is the most corrupt per capita, simple because we have so few people and our government between taxes and resource selling takes in more money per year that other countries do.

We also have one of the largest civil services (per capita) in the world, so more people are given the opportunity.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Has anyone ever stopped to consider that just because we, the Canadian public, believe we have the most corrupt government, it doesn't necessarily mean a darn thing.

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sure it means something. It means that we are not fooled with the degree of corruption that goes on......and KNOW they are "corrupt"


(not like some folks we can mention that live to the south of us...but they tend to FAVOR corruption.- as a qualification for politicians..)

Yep......just HAD to get that one in here. :wink:

 

[iamcanadian]

I can haddle politicians being corrupt. At least we can vote them out every four years.

But when the Non-elected administrators are corrupt, they are corrupt for life and we can't vote them out.

Forthermore the more they are corrupt the higher they advance and do more damage with their form of corruption, including without limitation hurting people malicioulsy just for fun and manipulating the people that we elect to represent us and control them. This is the far biggest problem in Canada and no one is doing anything about it.

In other countries the employees of their government are controlled, caught and dealt with. So they are perceived more corrupt than here. Here the corruption is more blatant, but everyone looks the other way, especially the elected from every stripe.

Now the high the government the less they are corrupt, with our municipal levels being vastly more corrupt than any other level of government.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Maybe we should have a "corruption meter/detector " for everyone in politics and run it on every politician annually.........just to keep them in check.......if not honest. :wink:

( similar to lie detector tests .....with a twist :wink:

 

[Reverend Blair]

Rev you keep twisting my words. "Most Corrupt per Capita".

Then prove it. Get out your calculator and punch in the numbers. Give us a detailed list. Don't forget to include Conservative corruption.

I suggest you categorize by G-7 nations, the Americas, Europe, Asia, and Africa. You might want to further break that down into North and South America and East and West Europe.

You've made the claim, now prove it.

 

[iamcanadian]

Rev, You want proof but you can handle the truth.

Favouritism is not a crime:
Ten Civil Service Procurement Practices

1. It is legal to pay more for services than necessary to friends
2. It is legal to refuse to pay for services from those that are not friends
3. It is legal to be entertained and get favours from friends as long it is not money
4. It is legal to screen bidders so that friends have advantages over others
5. It is legal to add money to a friend’s contract and to not do the same to others
6. It is legal to arrange public contracts so that friends get work at higher prices
7. It is legal to specify things that cost more and then let friends do it a cheaper way without following the specs.
8. It is legal to proprietarily specify a friends products that costs more than better products
9. It is legal to let friends do inferior work and to demand impossible perfection from others
10. It is legal to do public business acting unfairly and unreasonably with people so that only your friends benefit

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: Is Canada the most Corrupt Country on earth per capi

Rev, You want proof but you can handle the truth.

:laughing3: I think we have a case of copyright infringement.

 

[Paranoid Dot Calm]

Corruption is in the eye of the beholder.

I think they are "corruptly" passing laws and re-interpreting laws to contiuously reduce the sense of autonomy or sense of "self" each individual enjoyed within our society. Without an exageration .... they are passing laws and purposely taking cases to court (weak cases), losing some trials and winning some. But, each trial sets "precedents". Each proscecution sets a standard or the ground rules for future arrests of groups or individuals.

They are practicing right now with this new legislation. The same way they did with the drug laws introduced in the 60's and 1970's.
Within 5 years they had enough drug arrests and all the court precentdents were in place. Within 5 years, drug arrests became a routine and people were simply "processed". Also; millions upon millions of Canadians were "processed" or "searched" because of "suspicion" only.

The government utilized and built a lot of prisoner space as a result of drug laws. The government broke-up alot of marriges and working relationships during these many years. Alot of bullets were fired for the drug war or during the drug wars. Alot of people got hit.

It's rather surprising how it was done for alchohol too. I remember when it was against the law for the "authorities" just to stop people randomly without having "just cause". But, word got out that a drunk driver was the worst "bogeyman" since communism. Police introduced the R.I.D.E. program and every Christmas we worhipped the authorities as they protected our children from drunk drivers.

Then they began putting R.I.D.E. patrols up for May 24th weekend. Soon it was advertised in the media that the "authorities" would be out in great numbers on highways 400 Northbound through cottage country and called it a "crack-down".

So, now they don't stop drivers "randomly" and without "just cause" .... they do it to smell your breath and see if your drinking.

Not only do they smell your breath, but they can legally search you too!

And it all started with a "drug law".

The new anti-terrorist legislation is going to be as big and as powerful of an "intrument" that the government has with drug laws.

As a search warrant was used for the drug laws, today it is the interception of every means of communication and to do so without a warrant. (Telephone/Internet.) When civil unrest breaks out, only the "chosen few" will be allowed to leave a city by plane. Nobody will leave by car. Nobody will be allowed to travel arround the country or into areas to organize protests or participate.

Our freedom of "movement" is covered under the anti-terrorism laws.

Only difference will be, they will be investigating a larger amount of people and with a different "excuse". This time they will be arresting for "public order" and will be arresting thousands of under-employed protesters.

Hundreds of war protesters are being arrested in the United States. I don't think that they are against the war in as much as they are against losing food stamps and are against the war because of the money being spent in Iraq and not for food stamps.
These protests will become larger as the U.S. economy collapses further.

Martial Law has been declared in Canada but they use the word "terrorism". These terrorist laws are much worse then the Canada War Measures Act ever thought of being.

That is the largest corruption of all.

 

[mrmom2]

Ahhh a fellow believer welcome brother I'm glad to see you here 8)

 

[iamcanadian]

Too much law and order is not good for society. Just like there are acceptable levels of risks when designing cars or other consumer products, i.e., X number of casualties per million or whatever, so too must limits be placed on how much law and order we want in our society.

We don't want to be turned into batteries to drive the government machine.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Is Canada the most Co

I deal in truth, iam(not)canadian. You have provided none. In fact, you have evaded the truth more and more with every word you type.