Is America Turning To Communism?
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I agree. They need to be simplified. That does not mean that they are all bad though. As for territorial boundaries, I think that is absolutely necessary. It reduces the chances of war between nations by hopefully having them agree on common international rules deciding where the national borders lie.
communism
communism, fundamentally, a system of social organization in which property (especially real property and the means of production) is held in common. Thus, the ejido system of the indigenous people of Mexico and the property-and-work system of the Inca were both communist, although the former was a matter of more or less independent communities cultivating their own lands in common and the latter a type of community organization within a highly organized empire.
In modern usage, the term Communism (written with a capital C) is applied to the movement that aims to overthrow the capitalist order by revolutionary means and to establish a classless society in which all goods will be socially owned. The theories of the movement come from Karl Marx, as modified by Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, leader of the successful Communist revolution in Russia. Communism, in this sense, is to be distinguished from socialism, which (as the term is commonly understood) seeks similar ends but by evolution rather than revolution.
fascism
fascism (făsh'izum) [key], totalitarian philosophy of government that glorifies the state and nation and assigns to the state control over every aspect of national life. The name was first used by the party started by Benito Mussolini, who ruled Italy from 1922 until the Italian defeat in World War II. However, it has also been applied to similar ideologies in other countries, e.g., to National Socialism in Germany and to the regime of Francisco Franco in Spain. The term is derived from the Latin fasces.
communism, fundamentally, a system of social organization in which property (especially real property and the means of production) is held in common. Thus, the ejido system of the indigenous people of Mexico and the property-and-work system of the Inca were both communist, although the former was a matter of more or less independent communities cultivating their own lands in common and the latter a type of community organization within a highly organized empire.
In modern usage, the term Communism (written with a capital C) is applied to the movement that aims to overthrow the capitalist order by revolutionary means and to establish a classless society in which all goods will be socially owned. The theories of the movement come from Karl Marx, as modified by Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, leader of the successful Communist revolution in Russia. Communism, in this sense, is to be distinguished from socialism, which (as the term is commonly understood) seeks similar ends but by evolution rather than revolution.
fascism
fascism (făsh'izum) [key], totalitarian philosophy of government that glorifies the state and nation and assigns to the state control over every aspect of national life. The name was first used by the party started by Benito Mussolini, who ruled Italy from 1922 until the Italian defeat in World War II. However, it has also been applied to similar ideologies in other countries, e.g., to National Socialism in Germany and to the regime of Francisco Franco in Spain. The term is derived from the Latin fasces.
By the way, I think it would be good to clear up boundary disputes in the Arctic region soon too. Then we wouldn't need such a large military presence to to make our muscle felt.
Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or
collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and
the creation of an egalitarian society. Modern socialism originated in the late nineteenth-century
working class political movement. Karl Marx posited that socialism would be achieved via class struggle
and a proletarian revolution, it being the transitional stage between capitalism and communism.
I figured Dark Beaver would be all over this thread.
collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and
the creation of an egalitarian society. Modern socialism originated in the late nineteenth-century
working class political movement. Karl Marx posited that socialism would be achieved via class struggle
and a proletarian revolution, it being the transitional stage between capitalism and communism.
I figured Dark Beaver would be all over this thread.
Dear Machjo ,why and how do you think the 'national' border came into existance ,peaceful negotiations ? Why do we have boarders in a first place ?
Hey, I'm a world federalist myself, and would love to see national borders to be thought of as no more than administrative divisions like provincial borders. But we can'd deny that naitonalism is still ripe, and that therefore we need to clarify where the borders are to avoid excuses for war.
We will always find an excuse for whatever we want at the moment , for whatever reason,Machjo .
Here in Chaina is 12:42 am and ,m hitting the sack ,good night Y'all .
America has alot of problems that have been building up for so long and without being fixed early on like it should have been. like someone with a disease, if left untreated the disease will spread and eventually destroy it all. i call that disease ignorance and stupidity
"True capitalism does not include government bailouts."
Corporate communism does. And that's what Republican politics is all about.
Corporate communism does. And that's what Republican politics is all about.
Quotes by Christian Rakovsky, Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the Ukrainian SSR
“The State as such is only power. And money is exclusively power.”
“Moscow is subjective Communism, but [objective] Capitalism. New York: Capitalism subjective, but Communism objective.”
Kind of a scary thought.
“The State as such is only power. And money is exclusively power.”
“Moscow is subjective Communism, but [objective] Capitalism. New York: Capitalism subjective, but Communism objective.”
Kind of a scary thought.
I always felt that we didn't yet have the technology to be truly communist- To have a successful communist state/economy all the menial tasks have to be done by technological means. Maybe in twenty or thirty years it may be possible.
The more technology advances, the more complex the system becomes, the more difficult it is for everything to be governed under a centralist system.
So advances in technology will not push us towards communism. Yes, pure capitalism is harmful, but I see a mostly capitalist economy in future (though certainly not dogmatically so), but with a nod to the contribution that the left can make in the process.
The lefts contribution will be the elimination of capitalism which is fataly flawed and will be as it has been every time. It's not repairable it's not reworkable it's not even efficient except at elevation of the greediest and most sociopathic. It's in terminal unwind as we speak. There's just one big splash at the end called WW3, the final solution. I had hoped it would go less expensively, but no, they mean to resist the people. I don't blame them, they know they'll all hang in the end.
Financial Hurricane Batters World Capitalism
System Failure and the Need for Revolution
By Raymond Lotta
Global Research, October 15, 2008
revcom.us
The most serious financial crisis since the Great Depression shows no sign of letting up. The financial edifice of U.S. imperialism is in danger of crumbling.
The U.S. ruling class is confronting what Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke describes as a crisis of “historic proportions”—and is hurriedly cobbling together desperate measures to prevent wholesale collapse. Three of the largest independent investment banks on Wall Street have ceased to exist since April. The government had to assume a major stake in the American International Group (AIG), the world’s largest insurer, to prevent it from collapsing. Now the U.S. Treasury is considering taking ownership positions in major U.S. banks.
This crisis is amplifying internationally. Western Europe is facing large bank failures and governments are engineering their own bailouts. The Russian stock market has intermittently suspended operations. Financial markets in Asia have nose-dived. Mexico’s economy is wobbling, as its exports shrink.
Two things stand out about this crisis. First, there is the ferocity of its global shocks and the speed with which it has spread. Second, unlike the debt and financial crises of the last 30 years, which were largely centered in the Third World, this crisis initially exploded in the U.S., the world’s leading capitalist economy, and is focused in the financial centers of world capitalism.
U.S.-led finance, which plays a dominant and shaping role in the global capitalist order, has taken a huge body blow. This will have enormous repercussions, not just for the stability of the world capitalist system but for power shifts and rivalries within it.
Many progressive commentators have put the blame for this crisis on fraud and greed, or on lax regulation. All of which are certainly in play. But these explanations do not get to the essence of what is happening, to the cause of the problem. This crisis is the outcome of the fundamental workings of the capitalist system.
The analysis that follows is framed by these core points:
Financial Hurricane Batters World Capitalism
System Failure and the Need for Revolution
By Raymond Lotta
Global Research, October 15, 2008
revcom.us
The most serious financial crisis since the Great Depression shows no sign of letting up. The financial edifice of U.S. imperialism is in danger of crumbling.
The U.S. ruling class is confronting what Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke describes as a crisis of “historic proportions”—and is hurriedly cobbling together desperate measures to prevent wholesale collapse. Three of the largest independent investment banks on Wall Street have ceased to exist since April. The government had to assume a major stake in the American International Group (AIG), the world’s largest insurer, to prevent it from collapsing. Now the U.S. Treasury is considering taking ownership positions in major U.S. banks.
This crisis is amplifying internationally. Western Europe is facing large bank failures and governments are engineering their own bailouts. The Russian stock market has intermittently suspended operations. Financial markets in Asia have nose-dived. Mexico’s economy is wobbling, as its exports shrink.
Two things stand out about this crisis. First, there is the ferocity of its global shocks and the speed with which it has spread. Second, unlike the debt and financial crises of the last 30 years, which were largely centered in the Third World, this crisis initially exploded in the U.S., the world’s leading capitalist economy, and is focused in the financial centers of world capitalism.
U.S.-led finance, which plays a dominant and shaping role in the global capitalist order, has taken a huge body blow. This will have enormous repercussions, not just for the stability of the world capitalist system but for power shifts and rivalries within it.
Many progressive commentators have put the blame for this crisis on fraud and greed, or on lax regulation. All of which are certainly in play. But these explanations do not get to the essence of what is happening, to the cause of the problem. This crisis is the outcome of the fundamental workings of the capitalist system.
The analysis that follows is framed by these core points:
- There is an essential relationship between the vast enlargement of the financial sector in the U.S., and the general phenomenon of financialization, and the deepening globalization of capitalist production of the last 15 years. And central to this dynamic has been the relationship between U.S. imperialism and China.
- Through the course of this growth and expansion, severe imbalances have built up between the financial system—and its expectation of future profits—and the accumulation of capital, that is, the structures and actual production and reinvestment of profit based on the exploitation of wage-labor.
- A “dirty little secret” of this crisis is the enormous weight of militarization of the U.S. economy.
- This crisis is a concentrated expression of the anarchy of capitalist production—the fact that production is not carried out according to any conscious, rational plan at the society-wide level, much less at the international level.
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I didn't post Rakovsky's quotes above because I thought communism was good. I posted it because of the title of this thread. I also think the bank bailouts are corporate communism like gopher said. Neither communism or pure free market capitalism are any good. It's time to give up on the strange ideologies and strife for center of the road politics. In case you are not aware of it Russian Marxists killed just about 62 million of their own people, mostly Christians, between 1917 and 1987. Now that's a holocaust we never hear about.
Mike
Mike
Maybe AI, and robotics. an AI would do a much better job at running things far more efficient, fully automated factories, resource mining, logging etc. just throwing it out there, but I could perhaps see something like this twenty or thirty years down the road- you would be able to buy robots in the future and lease them out to corporations, but forbid corporations from owning them. This way everyone would still get a wage.
It's not correct to think of it as corporate communism or socialism it is in fact the well understood and studied final phase of runaway capitalism. It's next and last expression in the final phase will be total war, that can be and likely will be American civil war, a fight for the crumbs, or protracted forign wars contracting back to the imperial center in exhaustion.Either way it's going to be hell and the end of capitalism. Spieces can't afford it any more eh.