Is Al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?

Mooseskin Johnny

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Re: RE: Is Al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?

moghrabi said:
So do you think that Bush created his own dream-come-true . . . ?

If you are asking if the Bushies wrote the script on 9/11, my answer is no. First, I think that Bush is a moron and that others, particularly Cheney, are pulling the strings.

The Americans have been looking for a new bogey man ever since the Berlin Wall came down. Even Hollywood got into the act. As far back as the 80's they were making movies and writing books with crazed arabs as the new bad guys. Nazis got boring and communists lost their punch. Americans do seem to need their anti-[fill in the blank]. Well, it was very easy to substitute commie for Nazi and now it is just as easy to put terrorist into the slot. Fanatical Islamic terrorist really stirs the blood.

I think that the Bushies, particuularly Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz have been doing everything possible to create their new enemies. There's a certain core reality to some of it, but the Bushies have been fanning the flames and emballishing the facts with lies, lies, and more lies. It's a media circus. The reward is power, money and control of oil.

Quite simply, the attack on the WTC was a crime. Crimes are solved with good police work. That takes time and patience and perseverence. The Bushies have not been interested in solving the crime. They have been interested in controlling the world oil supply and they don't concern themselves with who they hurt in the process. Or in solving crimes.

Did the Bushies allow 9/11 to happen? Were they passively standing by? I don't think so. As always, they are incompetent. I think that a much smaller attack would have sufficed to stir up the American people. But after the attack, the Bushie spin machine went into high gear. Yes, they have created their enemy.
 

moghrabi

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Good analysis Moose. I like it when you use the word incompetent to do anything about it. It sounds worse than if he created it.
 

moghrabi

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Good analysis Moose. I like it when you use the word incompetent to do anything about it. It sounds worse than if he created it.
 

moghrabi

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Good analysis Moose. I like it when you use the word incompetent to do anything about it. It sounds worse than if he created it.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Is Al Qaeda Just a Bu

I think al Qaeda exists, I just don't think they are that big or that organised...more like the Weather Underground than the IRA. I also believe that they got lucky and pulled off 9-11 but that the evidence shows something that the US government doesn't want us to know about.

My guess is that Bush and his people were aware that there was going to be an attack, but thought it would be small and unsuccessful like the first attack on the WTC. They were already looking for that second Pearl Harbour, we know that from the memo that got leaked, so my feeling is that they let it happen, thinking it would be small and they could pin it on Saddam.

It wasn't small though, it was huge...too big to pin on Saddam because everybody knew he was basically powerless.

The three things that keep coming to me are that hardly anybody seems to have gone to work that day and that by most accounts I could fly a plane better than the guys they said were flying the planes. Then there's that passport that was just laying on the ground there that they "found".

Remember the first estimates of the death toll? 50,000 people they kept saying. People were supposed to be at work. They were expected to be at work. Everybody thought they were at work. They didn't show up though. Odd that.

And those pilots? those weren't guys who were about to flunk out of flight school. I spent a lot of time on airplanes...it ain't like driving a Volkswagon.

And that passport? You guys saw the pictures. There is no way that a passport magically fell out of the fireball in one piece, but even if it did there is no possible way it was found within hours among all those papers. Nobody was even really looking yet.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Is Al Qaeda Just a Bu

I think al Qaeda exists, I just don't think they are that big or that organised...more like the Weather Underground than the IRA. I also believe that they got lucky and pulled off 9-11 but that the evidence shows something that the US government doesn't want us to know about.

My guess is that Bush and his people were aware that there was going to be an attack, but thought it would be small and unsuccessful like the first attack on the WTC. They were already looking for that second Pearl Harbour, we know that from the memo that got leaked, so my feeling is that they let it happen, thinking it would be small and they could pin it on Saddam.

It wasn't small though, it was huge...too big to pin on Saddam because everybody knew he was basically powerless.

The three things that keep coming to me are that hardly anybody seems to have gone to work that day and that by most accounts I could fly a plane better than the guys they said were flying the planes. Then there's that passport that was just laying on the ground there that they "found".

Remember the first estimates of the death toll? 50,000 people they kept saying. People were supposed to be at work. They were expected to be at work. Everybody thought they were at work. They didn't show up though. Odd that.

And those pilots? those weren't guys who were about to flunk out of flight school. I spent a lot of time on airplanes...it ain't like driving a Volkswagon.

And that passport? You guys saw the pictures. There is no way that a passport magically fell out of the fireball in one piece, but even if it did there is no possible way it was found within hours among all those papers. Nobody was even really looking yet.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Is Al Qaeda Just a Bu

I think al Qaeda exists, I just don't think they are that big or that organised...more like the Weather Underground than the IRA. I also believe that they got lucky and pulled off 9-11 but that the evidence shows something that the US government doesn't want us to know about.

My guess is that Bush and his people were aware that there was going to be an attack, but thought it would be small and unsuccessful like the first attack on the WTC. They were already looking for that second Pearl Harbour, we know that from the memo that got leaked, so my feeling is that they let it happen, thinking it would be small and they could pin it on Saddam.

It wasn't small though, it was huge...too big to pin on Saddam because everybody knew he was basically powerless.

The three things that keep coming to me are that hardly anybody seems to have gone to work that day and that by most accounts I could fly a plane better than the guys they said were flying the planes. Then there's that passport that was just laying on the ground there that they "found".

Remember the first estimates of the death toll? 50,000 people they kept saying. People were supposed to be at work. They were expected to be at work. Everybody thought they were at work. They didn't show up though. Odd that.

And those pilots? those weren't guys who were about to flunk out of flight school. I spent a lot of time on airplanes...it ain't like driving a Volkswagon.

And that passport? You guys saw the pictures. There is no way that a passport magically fell out of the fireball in one piece, but even if it did there is no possible way it was found within hours among all those papers. Nobody was even really looking yet.
 

moghrabi

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RE: Is Al Qaeda Just a Bu

Another thing in Arab media is that the owner of the found passport talked to his father in Eygpt 2 days after the attack. There was an unterview on Al-jazeera TV with the father of Atta, saying that his son called him from the US and said he is in big S**t. Go figure.
 

moghrabi

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RE: Is Al Qaeda Just a Bu

Another thing in Arab media is that the owner of the found passport talked to his father in Eygpt 2 days after the attack. There was an unterview on Al-jazeera TV with the father of Atta, saying that his son called him from the US and said he is in big S**t. Go figure.
 

moghrabi

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RE: Is Al Qaeda Just a Bu

Another thing in Arab media is that the owner of the found passport talked to his father in Eygpt 2 days after the attack. There was an unterview on Al-jazeera TV with the father of Atta, saying that his son called him from the US and said he is in big S**t. Go figure.
 

Stretch

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thought it would've been obvious by now...

oh, and just where the hell are the WMD??
that posed such an imminent threat the the good ol' US of G? (G= gree
 

Stretch

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thought it would've been obvious by now...

oh, and just where the hell are the WMD??
that posed such an imminent threat the the good ol' US of G? (G= gree
 

Stretch

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thought it would've been obvious by now...

oh, and just where the hell are the WMD??
that posed such an imminent threat the the good ol' US of G? (G= gree
 

missile

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Gotta agree with you guys that the USA is quite adept at inventing reasons for going to war-the gulf of Tonkin incident that led to their VietNam involvement,for instance.
 

missile

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Gotta agree with you guys that the USA is quite adept at inventing reasons for going to war-the gulf of Tonkin incident that led to their VietNam involvement,for instance.
 

missile

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Gotta agree with you guys that the USA is quite adept at inventing reasons for going to war-the gulf of Tonkin incident that led to their VietNam involvement,for instance.
 

TenPenny

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There was an interesting documentary on PBS last night about bin Laden. Very, very interesting.

Having said that, bin Laden was a known threat for a long time. He did, after all, help in the first attempt to bring down the WTC. He also preached against the US, and helped with bombings in Africa and Saudi Arabia.

There's no doubt he exists, and al Qaeda is his creation. That said, I do believe that Bush and Co "allowed" 9/11 to happen, on the belief that it wouldn't be as bad as it was. They probably figured it would only be 2 or 3 hundred killed.