Iraq-Vietnam comparison inevitable

[moghrabi]

bedtime anywho -- who y'all gonna namecall and pick on now?

Heaven forbid the truth get in the way of a politically correct discussion...

God riddance. :lol: :twisted: :evil: :evil: 8O

 

[johnnybgoodaaaaa]

Well, I'm out you all. Nice talking, and I've gone form a newbie to a forum master in one day, haha. peace.

 

[moghrabi]

Peace johnny.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

but I also know when people behave like asses I am am not going to stand by and keep my mouth shut

and sometimes keeping your mouth shut,is exactly what you should do. Basis psych. 101

 

[Ocean Breeze]

johnny peace to you and thanks.....you made this fun this evening........as did you mog.



PEACE to you matty too.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Well I am gonna ban mattyloo until this time tomarrow, until I can confer with the chief wizard and allow him to read these posts and decide what course of action to take. In the meantime, would you please make your complaints in the Xrepport.

THANKYOU!!!

 

[moghrabi]

Peace to you Ocean and to all.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Peace Mog. :thumbup:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

June 11, 2005

Last April, Senator Edward Kennedy said the occupation of Iraq had become Bush’s “Vietnam,” a characterization Dubya took issue with. Saying such Bush declared “sends the wrong message to our troops and sends the wrong message to the enemy.”

Now this was an interesting response because in essence Bush admitted “we” lost the war in Vietnam. Most right-wingers would rather have their first and second premolars pulled without anesthetic than admit the Vietnamese decisively kick the ass of the world’s most powerful military. Instead, right-wingers like to say the United States lacked the political will to win and blame liberals and wussified anti-war hippies (who are to this day characterized as contemptuous traitors) are to blame while they assiduously avoid the word “defeat.” It really irks the right-wingers when people use the “V” word when talking about the situation in Iraq. However, the only difference between Vietnam and Iraq is that Iraq does not have a jungle and its resistance has yet to form into a unified nationalist movement.

According to a recent poll conducted by the Washington Post and ABC News ( http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewIte
m&itemID=7592 ), “42 per cent of respondents believe the U.S. is heading for the same kind of involvement in Iraq as it had in the Vietnam War.” Moreover, 64% of the respondents believe the Bushcons do not have “a clear plan for eventually withdrawing most U.S. troops from Iraq.”

It is obvious the Bushcons do not have a “plan” to withdraw troops from Iraq—and that is because they plan to keep troops there indefinitely and that is why they are building bases in the country. Most Americans are clueless about the real plan Bush and the Strausscons have in mind for the Iraqis (and the Iranians and Syrians).

I’d like to see a poll that poses the following question: “Do you believe the United States should withdraw from Iraq immediately?” I’d add to that “Do you think the United States should formally apologize and pay restitution to the Iraqi people?”

It would be interesting to see the result. Of course, the Washington Post and ABC News will never ask such questions because it would be heresy and a public relations disaster. It would give the Bushcons the opportunity to make them out to be traitors like they made Newsweek out to be.

agree, "Americans " are clueless as to the real bushcon plans. Seems they take snipits of information, embelish them to suit their own pre conceived ideas ....and happily go into branding those that do not blindly follow this .

a "curious" if interesting society.

 

[peapod]

Well I was not really speaking about a muslim women dating before marriage..thats silly to me...but each to his own.

I was refering to the fact that mattylo lo stated he dated a muslim women...did he also date a black women?? hows about a first nations women?? hows about a lesbian...um...no I guess that does not work....

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Iraq-Vietnam comparison inevitable

To make the ME look bad, they pointed the cameras at a few kids in Gaza dancing. Don't you think the people of the ME (other than OBL and Iraq) felt the sorrow. Yes they did as much as any human being would feel at that time.

Are you related to John Kerry? You seem to flip flop alot.

 

[moghrabi]

No I am not related to him but I don't see where I am flip-flopping. I was saying that most people in the ME felt the pain except Saddam and OBL. As for the cameras in Gaza that was a show to undermine Arafat at the time.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Iraq-Vietnam comparison inevitable

No I am not related to him but I don't see where I am flip-flopping. I was saying that most people in the ME felt the pain except Saddam and OBL. As for the cameras in Gaza that was a show to undermine Arafat at the time.

To make the ME look bad, they pointed the cameras at a few kids in Gaza dancing. Don't you think the people of the ME (other than OBL and Iraq) felt the sorrow. Yes they did as much as any human being would feel at that time.

Did the United States bring the attacks on the World Trade Center on itself? Many would say “yes.” Millions of people around the world were screaming “America has been hit!” This was not a shout of sorrow or pity, rather a shout of joy and triumph. America has a reputation of arrogance, ignorance and domination......

That sounds like a flip flop to me.

http://www.canadiancontent.net/forums/about5510-0-asc-75.html

 

[moghrabi]

It is not really a flip-flop. People have felt sorrow and pain for the victims and their families but joy that America as a nation was hit. It tasted some of its poison. It tasted what it had been doing to a lot of nations either directly or by installing puppets to do it on its behalf.

 

[jimmoyer]

You understand that don't you?

Why do you not join their cause?

Whoah, now wait !! Slow down !!

I ask that question of you moghrabi in hopes that you figure out why they find it necessary to act that way back and you don't.

Why don't you go as far as they do to righteously punish the Americans?

Legit question.

 

[moghrabi]

I said before that I felt sorrow for the victims and their families.

Please do not twist my words around. People, like it or not, had some joy in seeing America the Great on its knees for awhile.

 

[jimmoyer]

I know that Moghrabi.

I'd just like to know why you don't do what they do?
What stops you ?

Direct question.

 

[moghrabi]

do what? blow up myself? or dance with joy. be specific.

 

[jimmoyer]

Both.

 

[moghrabi]

I do not believe in violence. I think everything must or should have a peaceful solution. I don't believe in ending my life or the life of others for a political reason. I do not believe in the OBL doctrine.

As dancing in the street, that is not the way i feel sorrow. As for feeling joy, it is an internal feeling that comes after the in ital shock. It is an automatic response in everyone who experienced a shock or trauma. It is directed at the administration of your government and not at its citizens.

I hope this makes it clear to you.