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“UNIFIL’s mandate, determined in UN resolutions 425, 426 and 1701 (from 2006 to the present time), is to help the government of Lebanon exercise its sovereignty, including the deployment of its army, in South Lebanon, and guaranteeing that no other military force is deployed in this area.

It is also responsible for providing humanitarian assistance to residents of South Lebanon. However, while it has been coordinating its work with the Lebanese army, it has been unable to prevent the full deployment of Hezbollah’s military units in this area.

In the past, its presence in South Lebanon has had some mitigating, preventative effects. But the current war, which in part is the result of Hezbollah’s deployment along the border with Israel in violation of UN Resolution 1701, makes it impossible for UNIFL to carry out its mandate.

UNIFIL can only perform its duties if and when the conflicting parties allow it to do so. Currently, Lebanon has no sovereign capacity, Hezbollah has no interest to cooperate with UNIFL, and Israel has no faith in UNIFIL’s ability to vacate South Lebanon from Hezbollah’s presence.”
Maybe this should be in the UNRWA thread?
 

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Maybe this should be in the UNRWA thread?
Not really. Maybe you're buying into another myth and conflagrating the thems and those o propaganda.

Before a few days ago have you ever heard of UNFIL? Fuck no! Why all of a sudden after the UN calls out the Zionists? It's identical to UNRWA accustations.

Who confirmed Israel's claims of more than 12 (13 to be exact) then whittled down to 6 UNRWA as Hamas just hours of another UN threat. What a fucking coindinkydink. Why do you think the world called "bullshit"? UNRWA funding plus arrears were reestablished why? Holocaust?

Oh and BTW, is UNFIL's mandate to keep Botswana from invading Lebanon across the border from Israel or Israel? Has Hezbollah impeded that mandate? You're already aware is Hezbollah a non denominational organization in govt with Muzzie, Christian, Druze and Jewish membership and support with a well defined outline of being only against Zionism?

Or maybe you'd like to discuss the IDF tanks tht barbequed 8 headed babies with shelling of a kibbutz as reported by several Israeli news agency and went to inquiry. Or we can discuss the pregnant woman Kibbutz members said that exists had her belly cut open or the old woman with Auschwitz tatoos who never exist which is verifiable in Israel news.

Don't buy in Ron or ENRON.
 

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You're already aware is Hezbollah a non denominational organization in govt with Muzzie, Christian, Druze and Jewish membership and support with a well defined outline of being only against Zionism?
Lebanon's caretaker prime minister (with no word from Lebanon’s non-existing Christian President) said on Friday he rejected Iranian interference in a Lebanese matter, after the speaker of Iran’s parliament said Tehran was ready to negotiate with France on implementing a U.N. resolution concerning southern Lebanon.
Oh and BTW, is UNFIL's mandate to keep Botswana from invading Lebanon across the border from Israel or Israel? Has Hezbollah impeded that mandate?
U.N. Resolution 1701, adopted in 2006, calls for the border area of southern Lebanon to be free of weapons or troops other than those of the Lebanese state, with the aim of keeping peace on the border with Israel.

I’d say Hezbollah impeded the above Resolution 1701 from the UN, & if the dogs need to pee again in the middle of the night, time permitting, I will look up this Botswana/Lebanon thing…

The speaker of Iran’s parliament, Mohammad Baqer Ghalibaf, made his comments in an interview published on Thursday.

"We are surprised by this position, which constitutes a blatant interference in Lebanese affairs and an attempt to establish a rejected guardianship over Lebanon," a government statement quoted Prime Minister Najib Mikati as saying.

Mikati added that negotiating to implement U.N. resolution 1701 was a matter for the Lebanese state.

Under Resolution 1701, the United Nations Security Council authorised a U.N. peacekeeping mission known as UNIFIL "to assist" Lebanese forces in ensuring southern Lebanon is "free of any armed personnel, assets and weapons other than those of the government of Lebanon".

Israel says the Lebanese army and UNIFIL have failed to secure the area. It started a ground operation in Lebanon on Oct. 1 after almost a year of ongoing hostilities with Lebanese militant group Hezbollah in parallel with the war in Gaza.

The U.N. Security Council has expressed strong concerns after several U.N. peacekeeping positions in southern Lebanon came under fire.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres that it is time to withdraw UNIFIL.

Israeli U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon told Reuters on Monday he wanted to see "a more robust mandate for UNIFIL to deter Hezbollah".

The peacekeeping mission is currently authorised until Aug. 31, 2025.
Lebanon's Hezbollah militant group said on Friday it was moving to a new and escalating phase in its war against Israel while Iran said "the spirit of resistance will be strengthened" after the killing of Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar.
 

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Lebanon's caretaker prime minister (with no word from Lebanon’s non-existing Christian President) said on Friday he rejected Iranian interference in a Lebanese matter, after the speaker of Iran’s parliament said Tehran was ready to negotiate with France on implementing a U.N. resolution concerning southern Lebanon.

U.N. Resolution 1701, adopted in 2006, calls for the border area of southern Lebanon to be free of weapons or troops other than those of the Lebanese state, with the aim of keeping peace on the border with Israel.

I’d say Hezbollah impeded the above Resolution 1701 from the UN, & if the dogs need to pee again in the middle of the night, time permitting, I will look up this Botswana/Lebanon thing…

The speaker of Iran’s parliament, Mohammad Baqer Ghalibaf, made his comments in an interview published on Thursday.

"We are surprised by this position, which constitutes a blatant interference in Lebanese affairs and an attempt to establish a rejected guardianship over Lebanon," a government statement quoted Prime Minister Najib Mikati as saying.

Mikati added that negotiating to implement U.N. resolution 1701 was a matter for the Lebanese state.

Under Resolution 1701, the United Nations Security Council authorised a U.N. peacekeeping mission known as UNIFIL "to assist" Lebanese forces in ensuring southern Lebanon is "free of any armed personnel, assets and weapons other than those of the government of Lebanon".

Israel says the Lebanese army and UNIFIL have failed to secure the area. It started a ground operation in Lebanon on Oct. 1 after almost a year of ongoing hostilities with Lebanese militant group Hezbollah in parallel with the war in Gaza.

The U.N. Security Council has expressed strong concerns after several U.N. peacekeeping positions in southern Lebanon came under fire.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres that it is time to withdraw UNIFIL.

Israeli U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon told Reuters on Monday he wanted to see "a more robust mandate for UNIFIL to deter Hezbollah".

The peacekeeping mission is currently authorised until Aug. 31, 2025.
Lebanon's Hezbollah militant group said on Friday it was moving to a new and escalating phase in its war against Israel while Iran said "the spirit of resistance will be strengthened" after the killing of Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar.
How does any of that make it okay for Israel to bomb UN peacekeepers? The UN was being mean again?
 

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Or….or Israel after the UN not doing their job for 18 years… ask them to vacate the area because they had to defend themselves? Maybe something strange like that?
Not doing their job? Is their job conforming to a supremacist Zionist doctrine? Has Israel been begging for a Blue Line resolution? Yes? No?

When the Blue Line is resolved then UNFIL will go away.
 

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U.N. Resolution 1701, adopted in 2006, calls for the border area of southern Lebanon to be free of weapons or troops other than those of the Lebanese state, with the aim of keeping peace on the border with Israel.
Not doing their job? Is their job conforming to a supremacist Zionist doctrine? Has Israel been begging for a Blue Line resolution? Yes? No?
When the Blue Line is resolved then UNFIL will go away.
Getting away from hockey for a second, United Nations Security Council Resolution 1701 is a resolution that was intended to resolve the 2006 Lebanon War. The resolution calls for a full cessation of hostilities between Israel and Hezbollah, the withdrawal of Hezbollah and other forces from Lebanon south of the Litani, the disarmament of Hezbollah and other armed groups, and the withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon, with no armed forces other than UNIFIL and Lebanese military south of the Litani River, which flows about 29 km (18 mi) north of the border.

That’s the U.N., from 2006 to the present, so over the last 18-ish years, & they seem to have missed the Hezbollah Boy Scouts or whatever…& their 8000 or 13,000 or whatever missiles or rockets that have exited Lebanon & entered the country to the south of it in the last year, etc…so it seems that didn’t happen.

It (1701) was unanimously approved by the United Nations Security Council on 11 August 2006. The Lebanese cabinet unanimously approved the resolution on 12 August 2006. On the same day, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah said that his militia would honor the call for a ceasefire. He also said that once the Israeli offensive stops, Hezbollah's rocket attacks on Israel would stop. On 13 August the Israeli Cabinet voted 24–0 in favor of the resolution, with one abstention. The ceasefire began on Monday, 14 August 2006 at 8 AM local time, after increased attacks by both sides.

As of 2024, the resolution was not fully implemented. Hezbollah and other armed groups in southern Lebanon have not withdrawn at all; in particular, Hezbollah has since significantly increased their weapons capabilities, amassing approx. 120,000–200,000 munitions (short-range guided ballistic missiles, short- and intermediate-range unguided ballistic missiles, and short- and long-range unguided rockets), and has increased the deployment of its armed forces south of the Litani River, developing tunnels, weapon stashes, airstrips and military installations.

Lebanon has also accused Israel of not fully withdrawing from Lebanese territories (northern part of Ghajar village, the Shebaa Farms, and the Kfarchouba hills), and of violating their air and maritime borders.
Not doing their job? Is their job conforming to a supremacist Zionist doctrine? Has Israel been begging for a Blue Line resolution? Yes? No?
Despite the Blue Line being respected as a de facto boundary, there remains a border dispute that arose after Israel's withdrawal from territory it occupied in southern Lebanon in 2002, with Lebanon arguing that Israel is still holding Lebanese lands, even though the United Nations certified the withdrawal…& it’s not like the U.N. are Israeli fan-boys…

As of October 2023, Amos Hochstein, the US government official who helped resolve the Israeli–Lebanese maritime border dispute, was holding talks to resolve the land border dispute.

The border dispute is based around 13 or 14 points, including in the village of Ghajar, Shebaa Farms and the hills around Kfarchouba. Dorothy Shea, a former ambassador to Lebanon, said that talks had settled at least 7 of the disputed points.

A retired Lebanese general described the majority of the disputed areas as "fighting over a couple of centimeters".
The border stayed quiet until the 2010 Israel–Lebanon border clash, in which Lebanese Armed Forces opened fire on Israeli army soldiers performing tree-cutting maintenance work on the Israeli side of the Blue Line, killing one. Three Lebanese died when the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) responded. Lebanese Information Minister Tarek Mitri stated despite the fact that Lebanon accepted the earlier Blue line "The area where the tree was to be cut yesterday […] is south of the Blue Line but is Lebanese territory."

In 2011, UNIFIL confirmed a border incident in which no one was hurt. Israel and Lebanon offered differing accounts of the incident. A Lebanese military official said Israeli troops crossed the Blue Line, 30 meters (=3,000cm) into Lebanese territory, prompting Lebanese soldiers to fire warning shots and the Israeli troops to retreat and fire at Lebanese border posts. The Israeli military sources said their forces were within Israeli territory when they came under fire from across the border.

A handful of similar incidents every couple years until in 2023 and 2024, a large number of Blue Line violations by Hezbollah, Palestinian factions under their control, and Israel took place during the Israel–Hamas war and the Israel–Hezbollah conflict. So…
Has Israel been begging for a Blue Line resolution? Yes? No?
Is Israel supposed to be begging for a Blue Line resolution? Is that written somewhere in UN Resolution 1701? It wouldn’t surprise me if it was, but I’m gonna throw the question out there in the spirit of…
I’m assuming they haven’t been “begging” for a Blue Line resolution…so No?
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I’m not finding where Israel is “Begging” for this, but on the flip side, I’m also not seeing where Lebanon is “Begging” for this either if that matters at all.
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It’s one thing to have overlapping areas of operation between Hezbollah & UNFIL, but within shouting distance? Close enough to play extreme frisbee with each other other? That seems a little negligent on the part of the U.N. Peacekeepers, doesn’t it? Below is the view from an entrance to a Hezbollah tunnel:
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So….has Israel given the U.N. & UNFIL a head up to steer clear of Hezbollah anti-aircraft batteries & tunnel systems? Depending on one’s level of objectivity, would that matter?
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That’s what? 100 yards? 100 meters? Less? How do you (well, they, UNFIL) not notice this between 2006 & the present? If they were doing their job/mission….
 

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Getting away from hockey for a second, United Nations Security Council Resolution 1701 is a resolution that was intended to resolve the 2006 Lebanon War. The resolution calls for a full cessation of hostilities between Israel and Hezbollah, the withdrawal of Hezbollah and other forces from Lebanon south of the Litani, the disarmament of Hezbollah and other armed groups, and the withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon, with no armed forces other than UNIFIL and Lebanese military south of the Litani River, which flows about 29 km (18 mi) north of the border.

That’s the U.N., from 2006 to the present, so over the last 18-ish years, & they seem to have missed the Hezbollah Boy Scouts or whatever…& their 8000 or 13,000 or whatever missiles or rockets that have exited Lebanon & entered the country to the south of it in the last year, etc…so it seems that didn’t happen.

It (1701) was unanimously approved by the United Nations Security Council on 11 August 2006. The Lebanese cabinet unanimously approved the resolution on 12 August 2006. On the same day, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah said that his militia would honor the call for a ceasefire. He also said that once the Israeli offensive stops, Hezbollah's rocket attacks on Israel would stop. On 13 August the Israeli Cabinet voted 24–0 in favor of the resolution, with one abstention. The ceasefire began on Monday, 14 August 2006 at 8 AM local time, after increased attacks by both sides.

As of 2024, the resolution was not fully implemented. Hezbollah and other armed groups in southern Lebanon have not withdrawn at all; in particular, Hezbollah has since significantly increased their weapons capabilities, amassing approx. 120,000–200,000 munitions (short-range guided ballistic missiles, short- and intermediate-range unguided ballistic missiles, and short- and long-range unguided rockets), and has increased the deployment of its armed forces south of the Litani River, developing tunnels, weapon stashes, airstrips and military installations.

Lebanon has also accused Israel of not fully withdrawing from Lebanese territories (northern part of Ghajar village, the Shebaa Farms, and the Kfarchouba hills), and of violating their air and maritime borders.

Despite the Blue Line being respected as a de facto boundary, there remains a border dispute that arose after Israel's withdrawal from territory it occupied in southern Lebanon in 2002, with Lebanon arguing that Israel is still holding Lebanese lands, even though the United Nations certified the withdrawal…& it’s not like the U.N. are Israeli fan-boys…

As of October 2023, Amos Hochstein, the US government official who helped resolve the Israeli–Lebanese maritime border dispute, was holding talks to resolve the land border dispute.

The border dispute is based around 13 or 14 points, including in the village of Ghajar, Shebaa Farms and the hills around Kfarchouba. Dorothy Shea, a former ambassador to Lebanon, said that talks had settled at least 7 of the disputed points.

A retired Lebanese general described the majority of the disputed areas as "fighting over a couple of centimeters".
The border stayed quiet until the 2010 Israel–Lebanon border clash, in which Lebanese Armed Forces opened fire on Israeli army soldiers performing tree-cutting maintenance work on the Israeli side of the Blue Line, killing one. Three Lebanese died when the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) responded. Lebanese Information Minister Tarek Mitri stated despite the fact that Lebanon accepted the earlier Blue line "The area where the tree was to be cut yesterday […] is south of the Blue Line but is Lebanese territory."

In 2011, UNIFIL confirmed a border incident in which no one was hurt. Israel and Lebanon offered differing accounts of the incident. A Lebanese military official said Israeli troops crossed the Blue Line, 30 meters (=3,000cm) into Lebanese territory, prompting Lebanese soldiers to fire warning shots and the Israeli troops to retreat and fire at Lebanese border posts. The Israeli military sources said their forces were within Israeli territory when they came under fire from across the border.

A handful of similar incidents every couple years until in 2023 and 2024, a large number of Blue Line violations by Hezbollah, Palestinian factions under their control, and Israel took place during the Israel–Hamas war and the Israel–Hezbollah conflict. So…

Is Israel supposed to be begging for a Blue Line resolution? Is that written somewhere in UN Resolution 1701? It wouldn’t surprise me if it was, but I’m gonna throw the question out there in the spirit of…

I’m assuming they haven’t been “begging” for a Blue Line resolution…so No?
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I’m not finding where Israel is “Begging” for this, but on the flip side, I’m also not seeing where Lebanon is “Begging” for this either if that matters at all.
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It’s one thing to have overlapping areas of operation between Hezbollah & UNFIL, but within shouting distance? Close enough to play extreme frisbee with each other other? That seems a little negligent on the part of the U.N. Peacekeepers, doesn’t it? Below is the view from an entrance to a Hezbollah tunnel:
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So….has Israel given the U.N. & UNFIL a head up to steer clear of Hezbollah anti-aircraft batteries & tunnel systems? Depending on one’s level of objectivity, would that matter?
Does Israel still illegally occupy the Golan Heights? Yes? No?
 

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Does Israel still illegally occupy the Golan Heights? Yes? No?
Better question is why would Israel bother to occupy the Golan Heights (?) & for almost 60 years?

What makes the high ground there strategically important like the hills around Kfarchouba, & why? It’s not just for the view, though that’s part of it. The heights give Israel an excellent vantage point for monitoring Syrian movements. The topography provides a natural buffer against any military thrust from Syria.

Water is important to life everywhere. Weaponizing that fact against Israel & what will eventually maybe become the nation of Palestine happened. The threat of that still exists, as does the motivation behind the attempt to do so.

Lets be perfectly clear that the Arab League and in turn Syria & Lebanon did not give two shits about “Palestine” or Palestinians and if they died of thirst so that Israel also did so, then that cost was acceptable.

If Syria diverted the Jordan River (like it was attempting to do almost 60 years ago), then what happens to Israel & Palestine? The plan was to divert the Hasbani into the Litani in Lebanon and the Banias into the Yarmuk, etc…

The diversion was possible, in part, because of the two strips of land, at the Banias Heights and at el-Hama next to the Yarmuk, which Israel had lost in the fighting in 1948…which where effectively annexed and occupied by…Southern Syria, and the capital Damascus, about 60 km (40 miles) north, are clearly visible from the top of the Heights while Syrian artillery regularly shelled the whole of northern Israel from 1948 to 1967 when Syria controlled the Heights…so for almost two decades.
Does Israel still illegally occupy the Golan Heights? Yes? No?
So the direct answer to your question is, “Yes, Israel still occupies the Golan Heights.”

My questions to you in turn would be, (1) Has the threat leading to Israel occupying the the Golan Heights gone away, so that it doesn’t need to any longer (?) and (2) did Israel offer the Golan Heights back to Syria in exchange for peace agreement and for Syria to acknowledge Israel’s right to exist? If this happened(?) who (3) turned it down?
 

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Better question is why would Israel bother to occupy the Golan Heights (?) & for almost 60 years?

What makes the high ground there strategically important like the hills around Kfarchouba, & why? It’s not just for the view, though that’s part of it. The heights give Israel an excellent vantage point for monitoring Syrian movements. The topography provides a natural buffer against any military thrust from Syria.

Water is important to life everywhere. Weaponizing that fact against Israel & what will eventually maybe become the nation of Palestine happened. The threat of that still exists, as does the motivation behind the attempt to do so.

Lets be perfectly clear that the Arab League and in turn Syria & Lebanon did not give two shits about “Palestine” or Palestinians and if they died of thirst so that Israel also did so, then that cost was acceptable.

If Syria diverted the Jordan River (like it was attempting to do almost 60 years ago), then what happens to Israel & Palestine? The plan was to divert the Hasbani into the Litani in Lebanon and the Banias into the Yarmuk, etc…

The diversion was possible, in part, because of the two strips of land, at the Banias Heights and at el-Hama next to the Yarmuk, which Israel had lost in the fighting in 1948…which where effectively annexed and occupied by…Southern Syria, and the capital Damascus, about 60 km (40 miles) north, are clearly visible from the top of the Heights while Syrian artillery regularly shelled the whole of northern Israel from 1948 to 1967 when Syria controlled the Heights…so for almost two decades.

So the direct answer to your question is, “Yes, Israel still occupies the Golan Heights.”

My questions to you in turn would be, (1) Has the threat leading to Israel occupying the the Golan Heights go away, so that it doesn’t need to any longer (?) and (2) did Israel offer the Golan Heights back to Syria in exchange for peace agreement and for Syria to acknowledge Israel’s right to exist? If this happened, (?) who turned it down?
Illegal is illegal. There are huge advantages to Handicapped Parking too but if you occupy the spot regardless of you pleas of advantages its still illegal to park unless you are handicapped.
 

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Illegal is illegal. There are huge advantages to Handicapped Parking too but if you occupy the spot regardless of you pleas of advantages its still illegal to park unless you are handicapped.
So when Israel lost it in the war in 1948, & regained it in the war in 1967, its possession was legal in that 19yrs because?