SInce both sides are unable to tell the truth, do we have a no deal deal? Or are dealing on a deal?
Iran War. . . USA Up 2-0 in the First Period
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I’ve heard that they’ve had a or are close to a ‘deal’ conservatively about 40+ separate times already so far. Are they both behaving like there’s an impending ‘deal’ on the horizon?
Maybe ‘deal’ is the wrong term to describe this situation with America negotiating for an agreement with two real estate agents as opposed to diplomats trained to ‘deal’ with a situation like this.
Using the word "deal" is seen by critics and Iranian officials as fundamentally wrong because it reduces complex geopolitical conflict and nuclear proliferation to a transactional property exchange. The U.S. negotiating team relies heavily on figures like Trumps Son-in-Law Jared Kushner and Billionaire Golf Buddy & real estate investor Steve Witkoff rather than career diplomatic corps.
A serious U.S. negotiating team for Iran needs career diplomats, technical nuclear experts, and intelligence specialists rather than purely political or ad-hoc envoys. An effective delegation should balance high-level authority with deep subject-matter competence…but here we are on the 40-ish+ announcement of another impending ‘deal.’
Maybe must maybe one side is truthful but the otherside who has the ability to keep you from hearing it is obstructing the truth from being told.
I doubt any muslim country has the ability to prevent us from hearing the truth. However, our own government does use CBC to spread missinformation.
The US and Israel does and do block the truth. Are you going to say they can't and don't?
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An attack on a vessel near the Strait of Hormuz and a rebound in oil prices on Tuesday underscored doubts that the U.S.-Iran war was nearing a resolution
, as Tehran pushed back against President Donald Trump's assertion that talks were under way.
“Oil prices rose nearly 3% after a steep selloff in the previous session as investors reassessed optimism over diplomacy, while a cargo vessel reported being struck by an unidentified projectile near the Strait of Hormuz off Oman's coast, according to the UKMTO maritime security agency.
Trump said on Monday that talks with Tehran were under way and Iran faced a "last last last last almost last last last chance" to reach a deal, while Iranian officials insisted no negotiations with the United States were taking place. Iran says its only talks are with Oman about the Strait of Hormuz and no major meetings are planned this week.
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Trump is once again accusing Iran of deceit amid another round of on-again, off-again negotiations and threats of overwhelming American military action.
On Monday, after asserting the previous day that he had called off "an attack that would have been the biggest attack since World War II" at the behest of Iranian officials and Arab intermediaries, Trump took to Truth Social to condemn what he said was Iranian duplicity after Iran denied any new direct negotiations.
"They ask for a meeting, some would say 'beg', talks begin, with more scheduled in the immediate future, and they say, openly and proudly, that they're not having any discussions," Trump wrote.
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, as Tehran pushed back against President Donald Trump's assertion that talks were under way.“Oil prices rose nearly 3% after a steep selloff in the previous session as investors reassessed optimism over diplomacy, while a cargo vessel reported being struck by an unidentified projectile near the Strait of Hormuz off Oman's coast, according to the UKMTO maritime security agency.
Trump said on Monday that talks with Tehran were under way and Iran faced a "last last last last almost last last last chance" to reach a deal, while Iranian officials insisted no negotiations with the United States were taking place. Iran says its only talks are with Oman about the Strait of Hormuz and no major meetings are planned this week.
Status of US-Iran talks uncertain as ship struck in Hormuz — Reuters
An attack on a vessel near the Strait of Hormuz and a rebound in oil prices on Tuesday underscored doubts that the U.S.-Iran war was nearing a resolution, as Tehran pushed back against President Donald Trump's assertion that talks were under way.
On Monday, after asserting the previous day that he had called off "an attack that would have been the biggest attack since World War II" at the behest of Iranian officials and Arab intermediaries, Trump took to Truth Social to condemn what he said was Iranian duplicity after Iran denied any new direct negotiations.
"They ask for a meeting, some would say 'beg', talks begin, with more scheduled in the immediate future, and they say, openly and proudly, that they're not having any discussions," Trump wrote.
Analysis: Trump challenged by cold reality from top allies — BBC News
A president used to bending US politics to his will faces two stinging losses in a matter of days, writes the BBC's Anthony Zurcher.
If Americans could open the Straight Hormones it would have been open months ago.An attack on a vessel near the Strait of Hormuz and a rebound in oil prices on Tuesday underscored doubts that the U.S.-Iran war was nearing a resolution
“Oil prices rose nearly 3% after a steep selloff in the previous session as investors reassessed optimism over diplomacy, while a cargo vessel reported being struck by an unidentified projectile near the Strait of Hormuz off Oman's coast, according to the UKMTO maritime security agency.
Trump said on Monday that talks with Tehran were under way and Iran faced a "last last last last almost last last last chance" to reach a deal, while Iranian officials insisted no negotiations with the United States were taking place. Iran says its only talks are with Oman about the Strait of Hormuz and no major meetings are planned this week.
Trump is once again accusing Iran of deceit amid another round of on-again, off-again negotiations and threats of overwhelming American military action.Status of US-Iran talks uncertain as ship struck in Hormuz — Reuters
An attack on a vessel near the Strait of Hormuz and a rebound in oil prices on Tuesday underscored doubts that the U.S.-Iran war was nearing a resolution, as Tehran pushed back against President Donald Trump's assertion that talks were under way.
On Monday, after asserting the previous day that he had called off "an attack that would have been the biggest attack since World War II" at the behest of Iranian officials and Arab intermediaries, Trump took to Truth Social to condemn what he said was Iranian duplicity after Iran denied any new direct negotiations.
"They ask for a meeting, some would say 'beg', talks begin, with more scheduled in the immediate future, and they say, openly and proudly, that they're not having any discussions," Trump wrote.
Analysis: Trump challenged by cold reality from top allies — BBC News
A president used to bending US politics to his will faces two stinging losses in a matter of days, writes the BBC's Anthony Zurcher.
Need me to say it again? America and Israel can't defeat Iran.
Iran isn’t gonna give up control of the Strait of Hormuz. Full Stop. The rest is just noise.
Doesn’t stop the noise either, which leads to a big credibility issue on top of things.
US and Qatar report progress on Iran ceasefire and reopening Hormuz strait — Guardian US
Optimism echoes Trump’s claims on Monday that deal is close as mediators say they are exchanging proposals
Trumps half truths aren’t helping this. The strait will open with tolls, called whatever they wanna call that fee, or not at all.
Trump was advised repeatedly by CIA, advisors and friends (Charlie Kirk) not to fulfill Netanyahu's wet dream of attacking Iran because it would be a major loss and black eye for America.Doesn’t stop the noise either, which leads to a big credibility issue on top of things.
“The Iranian state-run broadcaster IRIB reported on Tuesday evening: “These negotiations, taking place between the two coastal countries of the strait of Hormuz, are focused on determining safe routes for ships to transit. The talks have so far been assessed as positive at both the technical and political levels, and Iran is working with Oman to develop the necessary mechanisms for future arrangements to manage shipping traffic in this strategic waterway.””
US and Qatar report progress on Iran ceasefire and reopening Hormuz strait — Guardian US
Optimism echoes Trump’s claims on Monday that deal is close as mediators say they are exchanging proposals
Trumps half truths aren’t helping this. The strait will open with tolls, called whatever they wanna call that fee, or not at all.
There is heavy speculation of Israel being behind the Kirk assassination who had turned on Israel and the Netanyahu regime fearing his strong influence on the young Republicans would be a detriment to the Zionists who already lack their support after the genocidal actions in Gaza, and planned attacks on Lebanon and Iran.
(A perfect example of how use Kantian philosophies are used against the unwashed masses. See below article. Thank you Netanyahu pointing out Goebbels and the Kantian methodologys used by Nazis)
(JTA) — On Thursday (Sept. 18, 2025), Benjamin Netanyahu posted an unusual video to X: a preemptive denial that Israel was involved in the murder of Charlie Kirk.
“Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi propaganda minister, said that the bigger the lie, the faster it will spread,” the Israeli prime minister said in the video, in English. “Well, somebody’s fabricated a monstrous big lie: that Israel had something to do with Charlie Kirk’s horrific murder.”
Without getting into specifics about the accusations, Netanyahu asserted that the young conservative pundit “loved Israel” and “loved the Jewish people.” Quoting from a letter he said Kirk had sent him a few months prior to his killing, Netanyahu said that advocating for Israel was one of Kirk’s “greatest joys as a Christian,” adding, “He told me, ‘The Holy Land is so important to my life, it pains me to see support for Israel slip away.’”
More.
Netanyahu says Israel did not kill Charlie Kirk, rejecting an idea circulating on the far right
By Andrew Lapin (JTA) — On Thursday (Sept. 18, 2025), Benjamin Netanyahu posted an unusual video to X: a preemptive denial that Israel was involved in the murder of Charlie Kirk. “Joseph Goebbels, …
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Point, set and match.
Joseph Goebbels was not a philosopher and did not write on Immanuel Kant, but he held a Ph.D. in German philology and literature. He occasionally co-opted Kantian or neo-Kantian rhetoric—such as misapplying Kant's concept of duty to subordinate the individual to the collective state. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Goebbels and Philosophical Rhetoric
- Subordination of the Self: Goebbels selectively twisted Enlightenment and Kantian ideas of civic duty. He argued that true National Socialism meant putting the collective good of the state above the individual. [1]
- Rejection of Intellectualism: Despite holding a doctorate, Goebbels openly dismissed high philosophy and mass-educating the public with complex thinkers, stating that trying to "feed the people Kant or Hegel" was pointless for mass propaganda. [1, 2]
To beat the propaganda you have to think like a propagandist.
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U.S. President Donald Trump said there was an "all-day negotiation" on Tuesday with Iran, characterizing the talks positively while also threatening to hit Iran "really hard" if a deal with Tehran was not reached because diplomacy. “We are having very good discussions," he added.
The Strait of Hormuz "is going to be open very soon," Trump said, warning that if that did not happen, Iran would be hit hard. “If they back out again, they are going to get hit really hard," Trump said. Trump's rhetoric during the war has been condemned by rights experts when he has threatened to target Iranian civilian infrastructure and when he threatened to destroy their civilization in April.
Trump says US held 'all-day negotiation' with Iran on Tuesday — Reuters
U.S. President Donald Trump said there was an "all-day negotiation" on Tuesday with Iran, characterizing the talks positively while also threatening to hit Iran "really hard" if a deal with Tehran was not reached.
U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said a deal to reopen the Strait of Hormuz could be agreed as soon as Tuesday or Wednesday? But..but the “southern” route is open…so isn’t the strait open already then? There was a "chance we may have a deal today or tomorrow to open the strait and move towards a more normalized (?) position in this conflict," he told CNBC.
"It would be freedom of movement," he added, when asked whether Iran would be allowed to charge for ships passing through?
Iran has said it is not negotiating with the US - and has no plans to do so - and is instead talking to Oman. A spokesman for Iran's foreign ministry said that talks with Oman, a mediator in negotiations, on a new mechanism for vessels going through the Strait, had been positive.
Trump says Iran will be 'hit very hard' if Hormuz Strait not open soon as oil prices fall — BBC News
US Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent both announced talks had progressed to allow shipments to resume.