Iran War. . . USA Up 2-0 in the First Period

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How the fuck did MTG and Tucker Carlson become voices of reason?


 
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Ron in Regina

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AI guy that is a prof at a University?
I’ve actually seen several videos of his and his body doesn’t move and he’s always got the same exact perfectly white shirt. I assumed he was AI.

Anyway, doesn’t sound like this is de-escalating.
 

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I’ve actually seen several videos of his and his body doesn’t move and he’s always got the same exact perfectly white shirt. I assumed he was AI.

Anyway, doesn’t sound like this is de-escalating.
US Canada Britain and a chunk of NATO couldn't beat the Taliban. Iran is 45X the size of Gaza with 91.5 Million highly educated people with a pile of Arabs jumping on board. This isn't going to end anytime soon.
 

Ron in Regina

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US Canada Britain and a chunk of NATO couldn't beat the Taliban. Iran is 45X the size of Gaza with 91.5 Million highly educated people with a pile of Arabs jumping on board. This isn't going to end anytime soon.
Didn’t expect us to end anytime soon, but it didn’t seem like Iran was winning friends and influencing people, as far as what the neighbours are saying anyway.
 

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The dramatic moment an RAF F-35B Lightning shoots down an Iranian drone

It's the first time an RAF F35 Lightning has fired its weapons in anger

The RAF are defending allied Jordanian airspace

 

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US Canada Britain and a chunk of NATO couldn't beat the Taliban. Iran is 45X the size of Gaza with 91.5 Million highly educated people with a pile of Arabs jumping on board. This isn't going to end anytime soon.

The British, Americans and other NATO allies are a lot more technologically advanced than Iran.
 

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The British, Americans and other NATO allies are a lot more technologically advanced than Iran.
Are they? Iran rendered a $2 Trillion air defense system the west relies on useless leaving system operators to "use judgement and not rely on what they see on screen".
 

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Are they? Iran rendered a $2 Trillion air defense system the west relies on useless leaving system operators to "use judgement and not rely on what they see on screen".

Yes. The British, Americans, French and others are a lot more technologically advanced than Iran. I'm not an expert but I think we all know that's the case.

Britain, America and France are also nuclear powers, so if the need ever arises each country could completely destroy any other non-nuclear country. They have the capabilities to do so.

As for the British - and I'm trying not to be biased - but you don't fuck with them especially. The Americans may be a lot larger and more powerful but I do think the British are often more difficult to beat in wars than even the Americans. The British not only have a warrior spirit but they have a high intelligence and cunning in wars that the Americans especially lack. The Americans are the brawn and the British are the brains. The people you DON'T want to fight in a war are the British. The chances are they'll beat you.
 

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Yes. The British, Americans, French and others are a lot more technologically advanced than Iran. I'm not an expert but I think we all know that's the case.

Britain, America and France are also nuclear powers, so if the need ever arises each country could completely destroy any other non-nuclear country. They have the capabilities to do so.

As for the British - and I'm trying not to be biased - but you don't fuck with them especially. The Americans may be a lot larger and more powerful but I do think the British are often more difficult to beat in wars than even the Americans. The British not only have a warrior spirit but they have a high intelligence and cunning in wars that the Americans especially lack. The Americans are the brawn and the British are the brains. The people you DON'T want to fight in a war are the British. The chances are they'll beat you.
Doesn't mean jackshit if you hav no defense.
 

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Doesn't mean jackshit if you hav no defense.

No defence against Iran? There is no way Iran will beat either the United States or Great Britain or France - three of the five great powers (the other two being China and Russia) - in a full scale war. Iran would be destroyed.

As for Russia, her status as one of the five great powers is waning as she struggles in a war against a much smaller country.
 

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How the fuck did MTG and Tucker Carlson become voices of reason?
Was the MTG clip AI? Has that feel, & whether or not it was, still, nice background! The random hand flutter from the bottom of the screen is a nice touch. Not discounting what was said, but I don’t think that was really her in all honesty
US Canada Britain and a chunk of NATO couldn't beat the Taliban. Iran is 45X the size of Gaza with 91.5 Million highly educated people with a pile of Arabs jumping on board. This isn't going to end anytime soon.
Yeah, how many Iranians back the current regime & how many identify as Persians? Anyway, the current regime doesn’t have to win in order to win, it just has to exist come April Fools Day in order to claim a victory…& I would venture a guest at about 10% of the population supporting the current regime, & about 90% identifying as Persians. Similar ratio to Germany in the late 30s and early 40s, etc…

Anyway, on the ground in Iran, it’s gonna come down to who has access to weaponry and who doesn’t. The 10% who do are probably gonna be the ones that stay in control.

The write up from Tucker Carlson in post 62 reads like Carlson sounds as of late. That seems legit.
You still think Israel won the 12 Day War.
I don’t think they lost it, or won it. I see that is more of another battle in an extended war, and it did contribute to weakening the Iranian regime and many of it’s proxies in the ongoing ongoing over the last couple of years since this pimple popped October 7, 2023.
Yes. The British, Americans, French and others are a lot more technologically advanced than Iran. I'm not an expert but I think we all know that's the case.
Iran (the current regime) has the home ground advantage, and Iran isn’t just a desert, all kinds of weird geography, including mountains and valleys to be used like mujahideen used against Russia in Afghanistan. This won’t be quick or easy, and this can’t be done just from boats & planes.
Britain, America and France are also nuclear powers, so if the need ever arises each country could completely destroy any other non-nuclear country. They have the capabilities to do so.
How many times have any nuclear weapons been used against any other country ever since America on Japan in the last 70yrs? Having the ability to do so and actually doing so are not the same thing.
Doesn't mean jackshit if you hav no defense.
A 96%-98% effective defensive is not no defence.
No defence against Iran? There is no way Iran will beat either the United States or Great Britain or France - three of the five great powers (the other two being China and Russia) - in a full scale war. Iran would be destroyed.
The current Iranian regime doesn’t have to beat anybody, it just has to survive for the next six weeks or so, and in that it can claim a victory over everybody.

Eventually America, & France, & Britain will have to leave in order to rearm and repair and cycle out it’s military, etc…the Iranian regime (or what will be left of it) doesn’t have to leave to do this. China & Russia just have to smuggle in supplies without having to get directly involved.
 

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No defence against Iran? There is no way Iran will beat either the United States or Great Britain or France - three of the five great powers (the other two being China and Russia) - in a full scale war. Iran would be destroyed.

As for Russia, her status as one of the five great powers is waning as she struggles in a war against a much smaller country.
They've already figured out how to bypass western air defences.
 

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Reluctantly, I support this move, with plenty of reservations. Allow me to elucidate. . .

Does Iran need to be hit? Yes. Certainly. Iran's intention to become a regional power is crystal clear. Iran's hostility to the West (in which I include Israel) is equally clear. We would get into it eventually, and the best time to strike is one hour before the enemy's alarm goes off.
U.S. Senate Republicans backed President Donald Trump's military campaign against Iran on Wednesday, voting to block a bipartisan resolution aiming to stop the air war and require that any hostilities against Iran be authorized by Congress.
Does Trump have the power to do this? Hard to say. The Constitution reserves to Congress the power "to declare War" (among other military-type actions). But what does "war" mean in this context?
The Senate voted 53 to 47 not to advance the resolution, largely along party ‌lines, with all but one Republican voting against the procedural motion and all but one Democrat supporting it.
We have no intention of making Iran the fifty-whatever state. The USA wants a relatively stable, relatively friendly government there. Which is basically what a lot of Iranians want.
The latest effort by Democrats and a few Republicans to rein in President Donald Trump's repeated foreign troop deployments, the war powers resolution was described by sponsors as a bid to take back Congress' responsibility to declare war, as spelled out in the U.S. Constitution.
Further, it's kinda hard to pull a surprise attack with Congress debating about whether to do so for a month or two beforehand, or wanting to put it off until after the mid-term elections. The Framers of the Constitution were utterly unable to grasp the sheer speed of modern warfare. And telegraphing your intentions is just stupid.
Opponents rejected this, insisting that Trump's action was legal and within his right as commander in chief to “protect the United States” by ordering limited strikes. They accused supporters of the resolution of endangering U.S. forces.
I'm concerned about what we do after. I'd like a friendly, stable Iran too, but I'm not sure Prince Reza is the guy. On the other hand, you work with the tools you have. Either way, it's kinda wimpy to piss and moan about the Iranian regime, and then piss and moan when somebody takes it out.
"This is not a forever war, indeed not even close to it. This is going to end very quickly," (???) Republican ⁠Senator Jim Risch of Idaho, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said in a speech against the resolution.
If I recollect right, France helped a bunch of rebels in the 1770s. I'm pretty sure France was motivated by a lot of concerns other than a principled love of FREEDUMB. But that worked out OK.
The measure had not been expected to succeed. Trump's fellow Republicans hold slim majorities in both the Senate and House of Representatives, and have blocked previous resolutions seeking to curb his war powers.
So here's me, dedicated Donny Dipshit-hater, provisionally approving of this move. I am deeply concerned about how we follow up, and it could turn into a complete fucking clown circus, but for now I'm holding fire until I see the next steps.
Backers of the resolution said they would not give up, and even some Republicans who voted to block it said they would press for public testimony from Trump aides about the administration's Iran strategy, especially if the conflict lasts for weeks, as Trump has predicted.

Debate about Trump's buildup of military assets in the Middle East, and American and Israeli strikes on Iran has centered on whether Trump is pulling the country into another "forever war" like the long conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Iran (the current regime) has the home ground advantage, and Iran isn’t just a desert, all kinds of weird geography, including mountains and valleys to be used like mujahideen used against Russia in Afghanistan. This won’t be quick or easy, and this can’t be done just from boats & planes.
"Today senators face a choice, stand with the American people who are tired of war in the Middle East, or side with Donald Trump, who bumbled America into another war most Americans fiercely oppose," said Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer of New York, a co-sponsor of the resolution.

With control of Congress potentially shifting to Democrats ‌in November's ⁠midterm elections, a prolonged Iran war could concern voters.
1772676812168.jpegA Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Tuesday showed that only one in four Americans approved of U.S. strikes on Iran and about half believe Trump is too willing to use military force. The House is expected to vote on a similar Iran war powers resolution on Thursday.

"Imagine a scenario where Congress would vote to tell the commander-in-chief that he was no longer allowed to complete this mission. That would be a very dangerous thing," Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson of Louisiana told reporters after a classified briefing on the Iran conflict from top administration officials.

Even if a resolution were to pass both the Senate and House, it would not go into effect unless it could garner two-thirds majorities in both chambers to survive an expected Trump veto…much like how I foresee Trump governing for the 1000-ish days between the midterm elections in November and the next US federal election.