Iran - Sanctions - Blockades - War - Treaties - to name a few possibilities
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Iran Notes | Swampland | TIME.com
1. Obama’s Speech: The President gave a strong but, I believe, flawed speech to AIPAC on Sunday. He warned against the warmongering toward Iran that has overtaken some of the noisier precincts of the Jewish and evangelical communities. But then he bowed to the AIPAC crowd by saying that “containment” was not his policy with regard to the Iranian nuclear program. This directly contradicted his previous policy–which was that all options were on the table. Containment happens to be the option favored by most non-neocon foreign policy experts; it was a policy that proved a huge success against the Soviet Union, which threatened our national security far more profoundly than Iran does. Former CIA analyst and regional expert Paul Pillar makes the case for sanity in the next issue of the Washington Monthly.
The unseemly war-whoopery will only be amplified at AIPAC’s annual meeting when the Republican candidates for President, including the bought and paid for Newt Gingrich, add fuel to the fire on Tuesday. Any unprovoked war with Iran would be crazy. It is a real country–not a cobbled-together colonial whim like Iraq–with strong national pride, a great historic culture and probably the best educated populace in the region, outside of Israel. An attack on Iran would unify the populace, even those who find the current government disgraceful. The U.S. military and intelligence services oppose such an effort. It is very disappointing to see the Jewish community leading the charge for this foolish course of action.
2.Iran’s election: Happily, the Republican candidates are not going to have the powerless demagogue Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to kick around much longer. As I predicted here a few weeks ago, candidates favored by the Supreme Leader romped in Iran’s parliamentary elections over the weekend. It now seems likely that impeachment proceedings will be brought against Ahmadinejad and that the Iranian constitution may be rewritten to eliminate the post of president. In other words, all power would be concentrated in the hands of the Supreme Leader. This is clearly a major development in the 33 year history of the Islamic Republic. And, oddly enough, those of us who hope for a return to sanity in Iran will have to be rooting for some of the more reasonable elements of the Revolutionary Guard to limit the power-hungry, uncompromising Khamenei in the coming decision over whether to pursue a nuclear weapon and, ultimately, in the long-term struggle for control–especially in the naming of a successor. (In classic North Korean fashion, Khamenei wants his son to take over.)
1. Obama’s Speech: The President gave a strong but, I believe, flawed speech to AIPAC on Sunday. He warned against the warmongering toward Iran that has overtaken some of the noisier precincts of the Jewish and evangelical communities. But then he bowed to the AIPAC crowd by saying that “containment” was not his policy with regard to the Iranian nuclear program. This directly contradicted his previous policy–which was that all options were on the table. Containment happens to be the option favored by most non-neocon foreign policy experts; it was a policy that proved a huge success against the Soviet Union, which threatened our national security far more profoundly than Iran does. Former CIA analyst and regional expert Paul Pillar makes the case for sanity in the next issue of the Washington Monthly.
The unseemly war-whoopery will only be amplified at AIPAC’s annual meeting when the Republican candidates for President, including the bought and paid for Newt Gingrich, add fuel to the fire on Tuesday. Any unprovoked war with Iran would be crazy. It is a real country–not a cobbled-together colonial whim like Iraq–with strong national pride, a great historic culture and probably the best educated populace in the region, outside of Israel. An attack on Iran would unify the populace, even those who find the current government disgraceful. The U.S. military and intelligence services oppose such an effort. It is very disappointing to see the Jewish community leading the charge for this foolish course of action.
2.Iran’s election: Happily, the Republican candidates are not going to have the powerless demagogue Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to kick around much longer. As I predicted here a few weeks ago, candidates favored by the Supreme Leader romped in Iran’s parliamentary elections over the weekend. It now seems likely that impeachment proceedings will be brought against Ahmadinejad and that the Iranian constitution may be rewritten to eliminate the post of president. In other words, all power would be concentrated in the hands of the Supreme Leader. This is clearly a major development in the 33 year history of the Islamic Republic. And, oddly enough, those of us who hope for a return to sanity in Iran will have to be rooting for some of the more reasonable elements of the Revolutionary Guard to limit the power-hungry, uncompromising Khamenei in the coming decision over whether to pursue a nuclear weapon and, ultimately, in the long-term struggle for control–especially in the naming of a successor. (In classic North Korean fashion, Khamenei wants his son to take over.)
Israel echoed the same sentiment
(in part)
According to a report in the Israeli daily Haaretz, Peres will tell the Washington conference of the pro-Israel lobby group Aipac:
(in part)
According to a report in the Israeli daily Haaretz, Peres will tell the Washington conference of the pro-Israel lobby group Aipac:
Israel is not rushing into war. We are a country that always seeks out peace and peace is always our preferred option, but our enemies should make no mistakes. We have fought six wars that were forced upon us and we have won them all. If another war is forced upon us, we will fight it and we will win it.)
Israel 'not rushing into Iran war' | World news | The Guardian
In real terms it means Iran should double the guards for the next 6 months.
Israel 'not rushing into Iran war' | World news | The Guardian
In real terms it means Iran should double the guards for the next 6 months.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/0...-iran-link-in-israeli-embassy-car-bomb-blast/
NEW DELHI — Indian authorities have arrested a local journalist working for an Iranian news agency in connection with last month’s Israeli embassy car bomb blast, a police official said Wednesday.
It was the first arrest over the February 13 attack that Israel has blamed Iran of perpetrating. An Israeli diplomat’s wife, her driver and two others were wounded, and the blast coincided with an attack on another Israeli diplomat in Tbilisi, Georgia.
The freelance Indian journalist, Mohammed Kazmi, was arrested in a southern district of the capital, New Delhi, on Tuesday evening and charged with criminal conspiracy, Delhi Police spokesman Rajan Bhagat said.
News channel NDTV reported that Kazmi, who was produced in a local court Wednesday, had been in touch with one of the attackers. He was not directly involved in the attack itself, in which a motor-cyclist attached a bomb to the car and set off the device.
Last month, Israel accused arch-enemies Iran and its Lebanese ally Hezbollah of being behind the twin bomb attacks that targeted Israeli embassy staff in India and Georgia.
They were followed a day later by three explosions in Bangkok, Thailand, one of which seriously wounded an Iranian man. Israel said that was also part of an attempted terrorist attack by Iran.
Tehran denied involvement in the attacks, which amplified tensions between two countries already at loggerheads over Iran’s nuclear program,
NEW DELHI — Indian authorities have arrested a local journalist working for an Iranian news agency in connection with last month’s Israeli embassy car bomb blast, a police official said Wednesday.
It was the first arrest over the February 13 attack that Israel has blamed Iran of perpetrating. An Israeli diplomat’s wife, her driver and two others were wounded, and the blast coincided with an attack on another Israeli diplomat in Tbilisi, Georgia.
The freelance Indian journalist, Mohammed Kazmi, was arrested in a southern district of the capital, New Delhi, on Tuesday evening and charged with criminal conspiracy, Delhi Police spokesman Rajan Bhagat said.
News channel NDTV reported that Kazmi, who was produced in a local court Wednesday, had been in touch with one of the attackers. He was not directly involved in the attack itself, in which a motor-cyclist attached a bomb to the car and set off the device.
Last month, Israel accused arch-enemies Iran and its Lebanese ally Hezbollah of being behind the twin bomb attacks that targeted Israeli embassy staff in India and Georgia.
They were followed a day later by three explosions in Bangkok, Thailand, one of which seriously wounded an Iranian man. Israel said that was also part of an attempted terrorist attack by Iran.
Tehran denied involvement in the attacks, which amplified tensions between two countries already at loggerheads over Iran’s nuclear program,
That is news but this isn't? What if Iran is locked into new contracts that cover 5 years, Europe is still cut off from Iranian oil because she refused ti sign the same contract that would have assured delivery for that long. Spilled milk, better luck with your next saucier.
"On Tuesday EU foreign policy representative Catherine Ashton said on behalf Britain, China, France, Russia, the United States and Germany that they were ready to hold talks with Iran."
IAEA Meeting Adjourned as Powers Haggle over Iran
I haven't been bumping the Syria thread, would you like the last 6 updates where 35 men with weapons were stopped trying to sneak into Lebanon, outside pressure allowed then to be released with their weapons despite Syria asking they be detained and held for questioning. It was about that time a bridge was blown up tp prevent more gunmen fro making it to a porous border.
France has suspended air travel via it's national carrier, banned as it can probably be shown to have flown in several foreign fighters that were just recently captured. Do you want the serial numbers of the hi-tech stuff captured?
I like the one where it accuses Iran of smuggling weapons to Syrian forces. How can you 'smuggle' to a country wher you jave a joint defense pact with? Anything to get the smuggle word in there. Notice in Afghanistan the CIA doesn't smuggle heroin, they export it as a cash crop.
"On Tuesday EU foreign policy representative Catherine Ashton said on behalf Britain, China, France, Russia, the United States and Germany that they were ready to hold talks with Iran."
IAEA Meeting Adjourned as Powers Haggle over Iran
I haven't been bumping the Syria thread, would you like the last 6 updates where 35 men with weapons were stopped trying to sneak into Lebanon, outside pressure allowed then to be released with their weapons despite Syria asking they be detained and held for questioning. It was about that time a bridge was blown up tp prevent more gunmen fro making it to a porous border.
France has suspended air travel via it's national carrier, banned as it can probably be shown to have flown in several foreign fighters that were just recently captured. Do you want the serial numbers of the hi-tech stuff captured?
I like the one where it accuses Iran of smuggling weapons to Syrian forces. How can you 'smuggle' to a country wher you jave a joint defense pact with? Anything to get the smuggle word in there. Notice in Afghanistan the CIA doesn't smuggle heroin, they export it as a cash crop.
No I am not looking for your links - You should post them as you offered. Next the so called French Soldiers captured - Did check into that and there was one reputable link followed by a French Reporter - who was in Homs - denying the presence of French Soldiers
The links you are reading, well to say the least they are way out there. Way out there.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...sraelis-oppose-attack-on-iran/article2361562/
Despite all the anti-Iran rhetoric from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and members of his government, the Israeli public remains strongly opposed to Israel launching an attack on Tehran’s nuclear facilities.
Writing in Wednesday’s Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper, Prof. Ephraim Yaar and Prof. Tamar Hermann of Tel Aviv University reveal the findings of their most recent Peace Index that show 62 per cent of Israelis are opposed to Israel launching an attack on Iran without U.S. cooperation.
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I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this ridiculous thread, what with the Israel "perpetual victimhood" narrative being used to justify an absurb posit: "We face an existential threat." BS. Just more philo-Zionist excreta courtesy of Goober. It stinks to holy Hell. Goober's and his pals at the United Jewish Appeal's mission is to turn this place into a little Zionist Racist circle jerk for his fellow treasonous psychopaths to lure us into endlessly engaging with their insanity.
But with jewmedia flaming the irrational fears of a dissillusioned public, and GOP politicians salavitating for favourable media coverage maybe it shouldn't be a surprise that Iraq Part II - the invasion of Iran gets so much traction.
Some points no doubt already mentioned:
- Isreal has over 200 nukes, if Iran attacks, thereby killing milliions of Arabs, it will be anihilated.
- No country that has the nuke has ever been invaded. The MAD doctrine ensures the peace. This "threatens" Israel.
- When Iran gets a nuke it will be on diplomatically even grounds with Israel. This "threatens" Israel.
- An Israeli attack will only delay the inevitable. o****.
- The Israeli public is strongly against an attack. Yea for them!
- Ahmadenijad was misquoted by jewmedia, he said "wipe Zionism off the map" (an ugly political regime) he is mistranslated (purposefully) as "wipe Israel off the map." CNN agrees with this refutation. Refuting this lie is important since it supposedly forms the basis of the so called "existential threat." Such hogwash.
Here's a quote from another forum:
But with jewmedia flaming the irrational fears of a dissillusioned public, and GOP politicians salavitating for favourable media coverage maybe it shouldn't be a surprise that Iraq Part II - the invasion of Iran gets so much traction.
Some points no doubt already mentioned:
- Isreal has over 200 nukes, if Iran attacks, thereby killing milliions of Arabs, it will be anihilated.
- No country that has the nuke has ever been invaded. The MAD doctrine ensures the peace. This "threatens" Israel.
- When Iran gets a nuke it will be on diplomatically even grounds with Israel. This "threatens" Israel.
- An Israeli attack will only delay the inevitable. o****.
- The Israeli public is strongly against an attack. Yea for them!
- Ahmadenijad was misquoted by jewmedia, he said "wipe Zionism off the map" (an ugly political regime) he is mistranslated (purposefully) as "wipe Israel off the map." CNN agrees with this refutation. Refuting this lie is important since it supposedly forms the basis of the so called "existential threat." Such hogwash.
Here's a quote from another forum:
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For future reference, your disclaimer is supposed to go at the top of your post.
Being a Lebanese new site I would think they are right next door. They re'print articles, most of the Syrian ones come from a Frenc News agency, perhaps even the same ones as the French journalist belong too that got caught up in so you are really insulting the French reporting as being a ball of ****. How odd that it just happens to be French CIA types and French Commandos and, OMG French UN troops, guarding the border. Perhaps that is the password, speak French and you get sanctuary and you get to keep you weapons no questions asked.
Inside knowledge and promotion of rebel accomplishments from France to be published in Lebanon.
Syrian Observatory: Blasts Target Security Forces in Aleppo Province
SourceAgence France Presse
If you have a Canadian link to stories like this I would be using them, so far the story isn't big enough or whatever to be covered.
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/...nvestment-in-justice-starting-to-pay-a-return
The question now is Iran sanitizing Nuke site?
Report: Iran May Be Cleaning Nuke Work - TIME
VIENNA) — Satellite images of an Iranian military facility appear to show trucks and earth-moving vehicles at the site, indicating an attempted cleanup of radioactive traces possibly left by tests of a nuclear-weapon trigger, diplomats told The Associated Press on Wednesday.
The assertions from the diplomats, all nuclear experts accredited to the International Atomic Energy Agency, could add to the growing international pressure on Iran over its nuclear program, which Tehran insists is for peaceful purposes
Two of the diplomats said the crews at the Parchin military site may be trying to erase evidence of tests of a small experimental neutron device used to set off a nuclear explosion. A third diplomat could not confirm that but said any attempt to trigger a so-called neutron initiator could only be in the context of trying to develop nuclear arms
It did not mention a neutron initiator as part of those tests, but in a separate section cited an unnamed member nation as saying Iran may have experimented with a neutron initiator, without going into detail or naming a location for such work.
In contrast, the intelligence information shared with the AP by the two diplomats linked the high-explosives work directly to setting off a neutron initiator at Parchin.
In explaining such a device, the agency's November report said that "if placed in the center of a nuclear core of an implosion-type nuclear device and compressed, (it) could produce a burst of neutrons suitable for initiating a fission chain reaction."
If Iran did try to trigger a neutron initiator, it would harden international suspicions by adding a nuclear component to a suspected string of experiments linked to weapons development that generally have not included radioactive material.
Iran has previously attempted to clean up sites considered suspicious by world powers worried about Tehran's nuclear ambitions.
Iran razed the Lavizan Shian complex in northern Iran before allowing IAEA inspectors to visit the suspected repository of military procured equipment that could be used in a nuclear weapons program. Tehran said the site had been demolished to make way for a park, but inspectors who subsequently came to the site five years ago found traces of uranium enriched to or near the level used in making the core of nuclear warheads.
The Iranians also embarked on an extensive redo at the Kalay-e Electric Co., just west of Tehran, before agency inspectors were given access nine years ago. Although the site was re-painted and otherwise sanitized, samples taken from Kalay-e also showed traces of enriched uranium, though at levels substantially below warhead grade.
Report: Iran May Be Cleaning Nuke Work - TIME
VIENNA) — Satellite images of an Iranian military facility appear to show trucks and earth-moving vehicles at the site, indicating an attempted cleanup of radioactive traces possibly left by tests of a nuclear-weapon trigger, diplomats told The Associated Press on Wednesday.
The assertions from the diplomats, all nuclear experts accredited to the International Atomic Energy Agency, could add to the growing international pressure on Iran over its nuclear program, which Tehran insists is for peaceful purposes
Two of the diplomats said the crews at the Parchin military site may be trying to erase evidence of tests of a small experimental neutron device used to set off a nuclear explosion. A third diplomat could not confirm that but said any attempt to trigger a so-called neutron initiator could only be in the context of trying to develop nuclear arms
It did not mention a neutron initiator as part of those tests, but in a separate section cited an unnamed member nation as saying Iran may have experimented with a neutron initiator, without going into detail or naming a location for such work.
In contrast, the intelligence information shared with the AP by the two diplomats linked the high-explosives work directly to setting off a neutron initiator at Parchin.
In explaining such a device, the agency's November report said that "if placed in the center of a nuclear core of an implosion-type nuclear device and compressed, (it) could produce a burst of neutrons suitable for initiating a fission chain reaction."
If Iran did try to trigger a neutron initiator, it would harden international suspicions by adding a nuclear component to a suspected string of experiments linked to weapons development that generally have not included radioactive material.
Iran has previously attempted to clean up sites considered suspicious by world powers worried about Tehran's nuclear ambitions.
Iran razed the Lavizan Shian complex in northern Iran before allowing IAEA inspectors to visit the suspected repository of military procured equipment that could be used in a nuclear weapons program. Tehran said the site had been demolished to make way for a park, but inspectors who subsequently came to the site five years ago found traces of uranium enriched to or near the level used in making the core of nuclear warheads.
The Iranians also embarked on an extensive redo at the Kalay-e Electric Co., just west of Tehran, before agency inspectors were given access nine years ago. Although the site was re-painted and otherwise sanitized, samples taken from Kalay-e also showed traces of enriched uranium, though at levels substantially below warhead grade.
How about the IAEA is trying to confirm for western intelligence agencies that Iran has perfected the fuel/air bomb.
Hiding things on a state of the art military site, how totally unfair of them. Why do you think they were not allowed a snap inspection. As for radiation cleanup, are they using meters issued to the Japanese public, you can't clean it up, you wait till it cleans itself up, didn't you follow Chernobyl?
Is the highway of death of gulf I cleaned up?
What areas of Japan have been successfully cleaned up. All they do is raise the safe limit.
Upside down duck have quack up.
What areas of Japan have been successfully cleaned up. All they do is raise the safe limit.
Upside down duck have quack up.
So it depends on how gullible the U.S. is. That's not encouraging, even less so if a Republican wins the White House next fall.
This should take care of that worry.
Persian Mathematics - By Scott Clement | Foreign Policy
Roughly three quarters of Americans support increasing international sanctions to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons; even more favor direct diplomatic talks to try and resolve the situation. Support for diplomatic measures is high across the political spectrum, including majorities of Republicans, Democrats, and independents.
