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moghrabi said:
The Pal issue is not a separate issue. It is all related. The Pals did not have any weapons to fight the Israelis. Arab countries came to help and attacked to gain the land back. Without the help of the British and Americans, Israel could have been wiped out in no time. A little honest research about the birth of the state of Israel might prove helpful as long as it is honest and not one-sided.

During the first assault on Israel, the Israelis had sticks and stones. The British never assisted, they were glad to be out of that mess. American assistance didn't come to Israel until the early 1960's. The birth of Israel can be found easily at the UN website. It's no secret
 

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Christians and Jews are allowed to have the sophisticated killing Machines. The Muslims have to do it the old fashioned way. What about a daisy-chain bomb killing hundreds in one shot. Or a rocket from an Israeli F-18 that kill or injure tens. Aren't that considered killing or only Muslims who resort to their basic way to fight back.
 

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But you are missing the point. These Arab countries had the obligation to support the Pals to regain their countries. Israel attacked to expand its control of the area.

I know where you a coming from moghrabi. If you think I approve of Israeli actions you're gravely mistaken. Don't forget that the Arab countries came to help Palestinians after the UN split up Palestine. The Jews were not the first to shoot the first bullet.

The Isrealis have performed attrocities towards the Palestinians, I'll be the first to say it (Der Yassin for example). But the Arab countries started this mess by not, I'll use a phrase Rev loves: NOT COMPLYING WITH INTERNATIONAL LAW. The UN gave Israel land they didnt take it by force.

I agree with you here except for one thing. The UN gave the land to Israel that they wanted to take by force. And they also used force and underground movements to establish their state.

Mate, the Jews after WWII were nothing but a bunch of refugees, they had no army, no weapons. Nothing. They were scattered across the globe after whatever was left from the holocaust. The existance of Israel came about almost miracuously within a few hours of pronouncing themselves THE STATE OF ISRAEL by the UN.
 

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moghrabi said:
The Pal issue is not a separate issue. It is all related. The Pals did not have any weapons to fight the Israelis. Arab countries came to help and attacked to gain the land back. Without the help of the British and Americans, Israel could have been wiped out in no time. A little honest research about the birth of the state of Israel might prove helpful as long as it is honest and not one-sided.

During the first assault on Israel, the Israelis had sticks and stones. The British never assisted, they were glad to be out of that mess. American assistance didn't come to Israel until the early 1960's. The birth of Israel can be found easily at the UN website. It's no secret

The UN website has to publish a balanced way of the Creation of a country. they never tell you about the underground movements and the slaughter that happened. The US started helping Israel from the beginning but since they are the people who write history to fit their agendas, they state it started in the 1960.

Are we to believe that they fought all the Arab states with sticks and stones???
 

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moghrabi said:
Christians and Jews are allowed to have the sophisticated killing Machines. The Muslims have to do it the old fashioned way. What about a daisy-chain bomb killing hundreds in one shot. Or a rocket from an Israeli F-18 that kill or injure tens. Aren't that considered killing or only Muslims who resort to their basic way to fight back.

Man thats a whole different topic, thats the megalomaniac cold war "hyperpowers" (US and Soviet Union) flexing their distorted egos. Will you be shocked to know the very first shipment of arms to Israel came from checkoslovakia? (In essence the Soviet Union) Man, I'm telling you, the middle east is such a mess, there is no one country or people to blame for. Jews, Arabs, Americans, British, Europeans. That's your daisy chain bomb right there.
 

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So Israel didn't attack Egypt, and wipe out thier air force?

Yes they did, as soon as they realized the Egyptian attack was imminent. It has always been in self defense. Now the Palestians are a whole other topic.

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Israel never started a war against an Arab state. It has always been in self-defense.

They started the war. Simple.

Not to mention the attack of the USS Liberty by Israel, which many believe was a deliberate attack on a US Intelligence war ship to stop it from receiving radio signals from Israelis attacking Syria. Syria says Israel attacked it, Israel says Syria attacked them. Israel says they thought the USS Liberty was an Egyptian cargo vessel. I say they knew the Liberty was there (because recon missions would have told them it was there) and they attacked it to cover up their transgressions.

Conspiracy theories are a great passtime but do not reflect historical events. The Arabs wanted the Jews out. The Israelis have screwed the Palestinians big time. This is the end result of history.


Whereas I might agree with you on the ability of conspiracy theories to pastime, I hardly believe this is a conspiracy theory.

http://www.ussliberty.org/

Besides, when looking for a homeland, it is best not to plant yourself in the middle of hostile enemies.
 

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moghrabi said:
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moghrabi said:
The Pal issue is not a separate issue. It is all related. The Pals did not have any weapons to fight the Israelis. Arab countries came to help and attacked to gain the land back. Without the help of the British and Americans, Israel could have been wiped out in no time. A little honest research about the birth of the state of Israel might prove helpful as long as it is honest and not one-sided.

During the first assault on Israel, the Israelis had sticks and stones. The British never assisted, they were glad to be out of that mess. American assistance didn't come to Israel until the early 1960's. The birth of Israel can be found easily at the UN website. It's no secret

The UN website has to publish a balanced way of the Creation of a country. they never tell you about the underground movements and the slaughter that happened. The US started helping Israel from the beginning but since they are the people who write history to fit their agendas, they state it started in the 1960.

Are we to believe that they fought all the Arab states with sticks and stones???

The US did not help Israel in the beginning, the then secretary of state Marshal was big time anti-semetic. We can talk about this for 2 years and a fortnight and still have alot left over. All I'm saying is in my opinion, everyone is to blame, you cannot attribute this to a certain group. In fact this is the reason nobody wants to get involved. Everyone has skeletons in the closet on this one.
 

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moghrabi said:
Christians and Jews are allowed to have the sophisticated killing Machines. The Muslims have to do it the old fashioned way. What about a daisy-chain bomb killing hundreds in one shot. Or a rocket from an Israeli F-18 that kill or injure tens. Aren't that considered killing or only Muslims who resort to their basic way to fight back.

Man thats a whole different topic, thats the megalomaniac cold war "hyperpowers" (US and Soviet Union) flexing their distorted egos. Will you be shocked to know the very first shipment of arms to Israel came from checkoslovakia? (In essence the Soviet Union) Man, I'm telling you, the middle east is such a mess, there is no one country or people to blame for. Jews, Arabs, Americans, British, Europeans. That's your daisy chain bomb right there.

Now we are in agreement. it is a mess no matter how you look at it.
 

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And they also used force and underground movements to establish their state.

Yes I believe they used what we call terrorism today, against the British, to have them withdraw for the land.
 

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So Israel didn't attack Egypt, and wipe out thier air force?

Yes they did, as soon as they realized the Egyptian attack was imminent. It has always been in self defense. Now the Palestians are a whole other topic.

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Israel never started a war against an Arab state. It has always been in self-defense.

They started the war. Simple.

Not to mention the attack of the USS Liberty by Israel, which many believe was a deliberate attack on a US Intelligence war ship to stop it from receiving radio signals from Israelis attacking Syria. Syria says Israel attacked it, Israel says Syria attacked them. Israel says they thought the USS Liberty was an Egyptian cargo vessel. I say they knew the Liberty was there (because recon missions would have told them it was there) and they attacked it to cover up their transgressions.

Conspiracy theories are a great passtime but do not reflect historical events. The Arabs wanted the Jews out. The Israelis have screwed the Palestinians big time. This is the end result of history.


Whereas I might agree with you on the ability of conspiracy theories to pastime, I hardly believe this is a conspiracy theory.

http://www.ussliberty.org/

Besides, when looking for a homeland, it is best not to plant yourself in the middle of hostile enemies.

The UN planted them Jay, they asked for it, and they got it. What other options did they have? Who was giving up land for them? Nobody. And I have read that website.
 

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They had plenty of option. Madagascar and places in South America.

They wanted Palestine, and held out for it. The Zionist movement isn't a UN creation. It is a 2000 year old desire to return to the land Rome kicked them out from.
 

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They had plenty of option. Madagascar and places in South America.

well that I didnt know, you learn something everyday

They wanted Palestine, and held out for it. The Zionist movement isn't a UN creation. It is a 2000 year old desire to return to the land Rome kicked them out from.

I certainly agree with you on that one
 

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mrmom2 said:
Guys we need a thread about this your all off topic :lol: I'm surprised theres not one already 8O

You're right as always mrmom. No nukes for Iran. They're too extremist. And while we're at it. Disarm everybody else. That would impress me.
 

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Jay said:
They had plenty of option. Madagascar and places in South America.

They wanted Palestine, and held out for it. The Zionist movement isn't a UN creation. It is a 2000 year old desire to return to the land Rome kicked them out from.


Very good Jay.
 

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How would you feel if today, the native american took power and start deporting you or put you in camp because the land belonged to them 450 years ago and the US/UK decided that the native should be given their land back.

I would have no problem with Natives being given their land back. I know that's not realistic, but I fully support Native sovereignty. Interestingly, the area where I live is subject to treaty and in fact OUGHT to be under Native control. I would vote for them getting it. I would much rather live under the governance of a band council than the farce of government we're subjected to today.

And camps? Campare the lifestyle of an Arab in Israel (Israel proper, not the territories) with the life of a Jew in any Arab country.

And, by the way, arab and israelite are in fact the same race (they are both semite). And also, jewish faith, christianity, muslim faith, all are a variation on the same theme. They are arguing about prophet, not about god. It's the same god for the three.

From our perspective, not from theirs. Moghrabi will be able to explain better than I, but I'm pretty sure there's something in Islam about the End Times (basically the idea of the Christian Rapture) which cannot occur until the Jews are annihilated.
 

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Arabs are living a better life under the Jewish government than under the Pals. But let's not rush into the judgment that they are treating Arabs because they love them. Israel knows how to play the political game. Treat the ones under our control nicely and see how we can get support from the international community. However, if they have a slight chance, they will burn every pal Arab in or outside Israel proper.