Iran nuclear talks near collapse, UK warns

[I think not]

UKUSreal: "You must agree to stop production of nuclear weapons."

If I were Iran, I would ask why? Sure they signed the non-proliferation agreement, but did they do it so of their own free will or were they under duress when they signed. What is the fundamental reason they must not produce nuclear weapons.

I mean, are we to think that no other country has broken an agreement or treaty that they've signed?

Here's a take on that DasFX: http://www.canadiancontent.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4973&highlight=

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Iran nuclear talks ne

Iran has little history of starting wars either, I think not.

 

[Jay]

So Israel didn't attack Egypt, and wipe out thier air force?

 

[moghrabi]

Self defense against countries trying to get their land back that was given to them by the British. The kill, injure, mame etc.. more humans per day than any other country.

 

[DasFX]

Re: RE: Iran nuclear talks ne

Iran has little history of starting wars either, I think not.

So if the mitigating criteria of having nuclear weapons is whether you start a war or not, how come the US and Russia are able to have them? They both have started wars. This is moot point.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Iran nuclear talks near collapse, UK warns

So Israel didn't attack Egypt, and wipe out thier air force?

Yes they did, as soon as they realized the Egyptian attack was imminent. It has always been in self defense. Now the Palestians are a whole other topic.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Iran nuclear talks near collapse, UK warns

Self defense against countries trying to get their land back that was given to them by the British. The kill, injure, mame etc.. more humans per day than any other country.

No I'm not sure you're aware of history, mohgrabi. When Egypt invaded Israel, they got pushed back beyond the Sinai. When Jordan invaded Israel they eventually lost the West Bank. When Syria Invaded Israel they lost the Gholan Heights.

You had three Arab countries attacking Israel and they lost. Israel never took any lands that other Arab countries didn't attempt to take from them.

 

[Nosferax]

Re: RE: Iran nuclear talks near collapse, UK warns

We are taught from childhood that Israel is the peacful country that only want peace. This is taught from primary class to university. I will provide you with the links for the quotes I mntioned above and you will make your own decisions.

Israel never started a war against an Arab state. It has always been in self-defense.

According to Beggin they did start 3.

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0794/9407073.htm

 

[moghrabi]

The Pal issue is not a separate issue. It is all related. The Pals did not have any weapons to fight the Israelis. Arab countries came to help and attacked to gain the land back. Without the help of the British and Americans, Israel could have been wiped out in no time. A little honest research about the birth of the state of Israel might prove helpful as long as it is honest and not one-sided.

 

[moghrabi]

Re: RE: Iran nuclear talks near collapse, UK warns

We are taught from childhood that Israel is the peacful country that only want peace. This is taught from primary class to university. I will provide you with the links for the quotes I mntioned above and you will make your own decisions.

Israel never started a war against an Arab state. It has always been in self-defense.

According to Beggin they did start 3.

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0794/9407073.htm

excelent link... Thanks

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Iran nuclear talks near collapse, UK warns

So Israel didn't attack Egypt, and wipe out thier air force?

Yes they did, as soon as they realized the Egyptian attack was imminent. It has always been in self defense. Now the Palestians are a whole other topic.

Israel never started a war against an Arab state. It has always been in self-defense.

They started the war. Simple.

Not to mention the attack of the USS Liberty by Israel, which many believe was a deliberate attack on a US Intelligence war ship to stop it from receiving radio signals from Israelis attacking Syria. Syria says Israel attacked it, Israel says Syria attacked them. Israel says they thought the USS Liberty was an Egyptian cargo vessel. I say they knew the Liberty was there (because recon missions would have told them it was there) and they attacked it to cover up their transgressions.

 

[moghrabi]

I repeat my claim that Israel main goal is to have the Great Israel fro the Nile to the Jordan River. As for knowing history, believe me i know it more than a lot of people since i lived it. I have seen what the Israeli army is capable of doing. They make Americans in Abu ghraib jail look like angels.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Iran nuclear talks near collapse, UK warns

We are taught from childhood that Israel is the peacful country that only want peace. This is taught from primary class to university. I will provide you with the links for the quotes I mntioned above and you will make your own decisions.

Israel never started a war against an Arab state. It has always been in self-defense.

According to Beggin they did start 3.

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0794/9407073.htm

excelent link... Thanks

Yes very nice, now open a history book instead. First see who invaded who, start the whole process when the UN approved the division of Palestine. Look up Nasser, Saddat, King Hussein, and whatever the other guys name is in Syria which escapes me at the moment.

Now if you want to talk about the Palestinians, then yes. Israel is GREATLY at fault.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Iran nuclear talks near collapse, UK warns

We are taught from childhood that Israel is the peacful country that only want peace. This is taught from primary class to university. I will provide you with the links for the quotes I mntioned above and you will make your own decisions.

Israel never started a war against an Arab state. It has always been in self-defense.

According to Beggin they did start 3.

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0794/9407073.htm

""In June 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him. "

excelent link... Thanks

 

[moghrabi]

But you are missing the point. These Arab countries had the obligation to support the Pals to regain their countries. Israel attacked to expand its control of the area.

 

[Nosferax]

Re: RE: Iran nuclear talks near collapse, UK warns

We are taught from childhood that Israel is the peacful country that only want peace. This is taught from primary class to university. I will provide you with the links for the quotes I mntioned above and you will make your own decisions.

Israel never started a war against an Arab state. It has always been in self-defense.

According to Beggin they did start 3.

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0794/9407073.htm

excelent link... Thanks

Yes very nice, now open a history book instead. First see who invaded who, start the whole process when the UN approved the division of Palestine. Look up Nasser, Saddat, King Hussein, and whatever the other guys name is in Syria which escapes me at the moment.

Now if you want to talk about the Palestinians, then yes. Israel is GREATLY at fault.

War are not start the day the invasion happen. The french and british where at war with germany since september 1939 and the actual fighting started later for them (may 1940). If you do all that is possible for a conflict to erupt without firing a single shot you are still responsible for the actual fighting that will erupt later.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Iran nuclear talks near collapse, UK warns

But you are missing the point. These Arab countries had the obligation to support the Pals to regain their countries. Israel attacked to expand its control of the area.

I know where you a coming from moghrabi. If you think I approve of Israeli actions you're gravely mistaken. Don't forget that the Arab countries came to help Palestinians after the UN split up Palestine. The Jews were not the first to shoot the first bullet.

The Isrealis have performed attrocities towards the Palestinians, I'll be the first to say it (Der Yassin for example). But the Arab countries started this mess by not, I'll use a phrase Rev loves: NOT COMPLYING WITH INTERNATIONAL LAW. The UN gave Israel land they didnt take it by force.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Iran nuclear talks near collapse, UK warns

So Israel didn't attack Egypt, and wipe out thier air force?

Yes they did, as soon as they realized the Egyptian attack was imminent. It has always been in self defense. Now the Palestians are a whole other topic.

Israel never started a war against an Arab state. It has always been in self-defense.

They started the war. Simple.

Not to mention the attack of the USS Liberty by Israel, which many believe was a deliberate attack on a US Intelligence war ship to stop it from receiving radio signals from Israelis attacking Syria. Syria says Israel attacked it, Israel says Syria attacked them. Israel says they thought the USS Liberty was an Egyptian cargo vessel. I say they knew the Liberty was there (because recon missions would have told them it was there) and they attacked it to cover up their transgressions.

Conspiracy theories are a great passtime but do not reflect historical events. The Arabs wanted the Jews out. The Israelis have screwed the Palestinians big time. This is the end result of history.

 

[moghrabi]

Re: RE: Iran nuclear talks near collapse, UK warns

But you are missing the point. These Arab countries had the obligation to support the Pals to regain their countries. Israel attacked to expand its control of the area.

I know where you a coming from moghrabi. If you think I approve of Israeli actions you're gravely mistaken. Don't forget that the Arab countries came to help Palestinians after the UN split up Palestine. The Jews were not the first to shoot the first bullet.

The Isrealis have performed attrocities towards the Palestinians, I'll be the first to say it (Der Yassin for example). But the Arab countries started this mess by not, I'll use a phrase Rev loves: NOT COMPLYING WITH INTERNATIONAL LAW. The UN gave Israel land they didnt take it by force.

I agree with you here except for one thing. The UN gave the land to Israel that they wanted to take by force. And they also used force and underground movements to establish their state.

 

[mrmom2]

I'm with you on that ITN I too have no great love for Isreal all I was tring to say is Iran having nukes is not a very good thing for the world .I do not see Jews Or Christians or any other religions except Muslims who strap bombs to themselves and kill innocent men woman and children.The world will become a scary if these kind of extremist get there hands on nukes 8O