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Here you are calling a fellow member stupid..


Anyone who feels that leftist terrorist organization MEK has credibility and that Zionist propaganda accurately portrays Iran does not deserve a reply.

As Juan said on another thread, Bear is so self obsessed that he feels he must win every argument by endless name calling and innuendo. Therefore, there is no use in responding to this highly neurotic rant.
 

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PLJ is Sunni and Iranians would hardly be involved in arming their own enemies. Yes, Zionist and anti-Iranian dissenters have posted articles on the internet which pretend that the ayatollahs have suddenly made Sunnis into their allies but nobody in Iran acknowledges that. You have allowed yourself to be persuaded by the same people who said that Saddam was an agent of al-Qaeda which as you know was thoroughly discredited. But if you continue to insist on believing those lies, so be it. There's no further use in discussing it.
Ya right, whatever.
Iran: We supplied Zelzal-2 to Hizbullah
By JPOST.COM STAFF AND YAAKOV KATZ


Iran admitted for the first time on Friday that it did indeed supply long-range Zelzal-2 missiles to Hizbullah.
Secretary-general of the "Intifada conference" Mohtashami Pur told an Iranian newspaper that Iran transferred the missiles so that they could be used to defend Lebanon, Channel 1 reported.
WAR IN THE NORTH: DAY 24
The extent of Iran's intimate involvement in Hizbullah attacks is starting to emerge.
According to the defense establishment, the reason Hizbullah has not fired long-range Iranian-made Fajr missiles at Israel is due to Teheran's opposition. Israel now understands that without direct orders from the ayatollahs, Hizbullah is not allowed to use Iranian missiles in attacks against Israel.
The IDF also believes that it seriously damaged the long-range rocket array in the first night of air strikes almost three weeks ago and impaired Hizbullah's ability to fire the rockets. The longer-range Zelzal missiles, manufactured by Iran and capable of reaching Tel Aviv, have also not been fired at Israel, and the IDF believes this is because it destroyed almost two-thirds of these in the Hizbullah arsenal.


Anyone who feels that leftist terrorist organization MEK has credibility and that Zionist propaganda accurately portrays Iran does not deserve a reply.

As Juan said on another thread, Bear is so self obsessed that he feels he must win every argument by endless name calling and innuendo. Therefore, there is no use in responding to this highly neurotic rant.
lmao, as usual, you get called out and then just deflect, deflect deflect. Good thing reality hasn't krept up on ya yet. You see a Zionist around every corner and behind every olive tree and then try to psyco-analize me, oh boy, there's that hypocritical, pot calling the kettle black again.

innuendo's, name calling, neurotic? lmao, nothing hypocritical about you at all.

You won't reply, because you lack the ablity to to refute anything I say. But hey, whatever you do, don't address the post, that might just expose your failure to grasp reality. Good call.
 
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From the Zionist Jerusalem Post which has been known to make up its own headlines just like the Washington Times.

Typical hysterical warmongering liars and hatemongers. Neurotically hateful to no end. Just like those who believe that propaganda.
 

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From the Zionist Jerusalem Post which has been known to make up its own headlines just like the Washington Times.

Typical hysterical warmongering liars and hatemongers. Neurotically hateful to no end. Just like those who believe that propaganda.
Can you disprove it?

This is where you call the post stupid and claim it had no merit and then say it was pure stupidity. But seeing as I live in reality, I'll just wait for you to ignore my calls to prove the story is wrong.

I doubt it!!!

But hey, we''ll all take your word for it gopher.
 
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From the Zionist Jerusalem Post which has been known to make up its own headlines just like the Washington Times.

Typical hysterical warmongering liars and hatemongers. Neurotically hateful to no end. Just like those who believe that propaganda.

I often wonder, and I'm not defending them per se, how it would feel living in Israel. A long history of persecution part of the national pysche and surrounded by people who utterl despise you and your nation and people.I wonder, given all that, how we would behave if it was our people and our country?
 

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Israel humbled by arms from Iran


By Adrian Blomfield in Ghandouriyeh

Last Updated: 2:24am BST 16/08/2006





Abandoned Hizbollah positions in Lebanon yesterday revealed conclusive evidence that Syria - and almost certainly Iran - provided the anti-tank missiles that have blunted the power of Israel's once invincible armour.
After one of the fiercest confrontations of the war, Israeli forces took the small town of Ghandouriyeh, east of the southern city of Tyre, on Sunday evening, hours before a ceasefire brokered by the United Nations took effect.
Israeli soldiers hold a Israeli flag after returning from LebanonAt least 24 Israeli soldiers were killed in the advance on the strategic hilltop town as Hizbollah fighters were pushed back to its outskirts, abandoning many weapons.
The discovery helped to explain the slow progress made by Israeli ground forces in nearly five weeks of a war which Hizbollah last night claimed as "a historic victory." Israeli political and military leaders are facing mounting criticism over the conduct of the offensive, which was intended to smash the Iranian-backed Shia militia.
Outside one of the town's two mosques a van was found filled with green casings about 6ft long. The serial numbers identified them as AT-5 Spandrel anti-tank missiles. The wire-guided weapon was developed in Russia but Iran began making a copy in 2000.
Beyond no-man's land, in the east of the village, was evidence of Syrian-supplied hardware. In a garden next to a junction used as an outpost by Hizbollah lay eight Kornet anti-tank rockets, described by Brig Mickey Edelstein, the commander of the Nahal troops who took Ghandouriyeh, as "some of the best in the world".
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Written underneath a contract number on each casing were the words: "Customer: Ministry of Defence of Syria. Supplier: KBP, Tula, Russia."
Brig Edelstein said: "If they tell you that Syria knew nothing about this, just look. This is the evidence. Proof, not just talk."
The discovery of the origin of the weapons proved to the Israelis that their enemy was not a ragged and lightly armed militia but a semi-professional army equipped by Syria and Iran to take on Israel. The weapons require serious training to operate and could be beyond the capabilities of some supposedly regular armies in the Middle East. The Kornet was unveiled by Russia in 1994. It is laser-guided, has a range of three miles and carries a double warhead capable of penetrating the reactive armour on Israeli Merkava tanks. Russia started supplying them to Syria in 1998.
Israeli forces were taken by surprise by the sophistication of the anti-tank weapons they faced. They are believed to have accounted for many of the 116 deaths the army suffered. Dozens of tanks were hit and an unknown number destroyed.
The missiles were also used against infantry, in one case bringing down a house and killing nine soldiers. They played an important part in Hizbollah's tactics of using a network of concealed positions to set up ambushes for the Israelis as they inched in. Last night, Hassan Nasrallah, the Hizbollah leader, said his men had achieved "a strategic, historic victory" over "a confused, cowardly and defea-ted" enemy. He said the militia would not disarm, as Israel and the UN Security Council were demanding. It would be "immoral, incorrect and inappropriate," he said. "It is the wrong timing on a pyschological and moral level."
As the militia leader was claiming victory, Ehud Olmert, the Israeli prime minister, defended his handling of the crisis and said that the massive air, ground and sea attack had changed the face of the Middle East. But he admitted that the military and political leadership was guilty of "shortcomings", not least in underestimating the threat from anti-tank weapons.
Critics say that he placed too much faith in the ability of the air force to break the back of Hizbollah and delayed launching a major ground offensive until it was too late.
Benjamin Netanyahu, the Likud Party leader and a rival, said: "There were many failures - failures on identifying the threat, failures in preparing to meet the threat, failures in the management of the war, failures in the management of the home front."
Last night, President George W. Bush blamed Iran and Syria for fomenting the conflict between Israel and Hizbollah. "We can only imagine how much more dangerous this conflict would be if Iran had the nuclear weapon it seeks," he said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/15/wmid15.xml
 

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Israel Finds Evidence That Syria, Iran Arm Hezbollah With Russian Weapons

Created: 15.08.2006 14:09 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 14:10 MSK document.write(get_ago(1155636618));

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Abandoned Hezbollah positions in Lebanon yesterday revealed conclusive evidence that Syria — and almost certainly Iran — provided the Russian-made anti-tank missiles that have blunted the power of Israel’s once invincible armor, the Daily Telegraph reported.

After one of the fiercest confrontations of the war, Israeli forces took the small town of Ghandouriyeh, east of the southern city of Tyre, on Sunday evening, hours before a ceasefire brokered by the United Nations took effect.

At least 24 Israeli soldiers were killed in the advance on the strategic hilltop town as Hezbollah fighters were pushed back to its outskirts, abandoning many weapons.

The discovery helped to explain the slow progress made by Israeli ground forces in nearly five weeks of a war which Hezbollah last night claimed as “a historic victory.” Israeli political and military leaders are facing mounting criticism over the conduct of the offensive, which was intended to smash the Iranian-backed Shia militia.

Outside one of the town’s two mosques a van was found filled with green casings about 6ft long. The serial numbers identified them as AT-5 Spandrel anti-tank missiles. The wire-guided weapon was developed in Russia but Iran began making a copy in 2000.

Beyond no-man’s land, in the east of the village, was evidence of Syrian-supplied hardware. In a garden next to a junction used as an outpost by Hezbollah lay eight Kornet anti-tank rockets, described by Brig Mickey Edelstein, the commander of the Nahal troops who took Ghandouriyeh, as “some of the best in the world”.

Written underneath a contract number on each casing were the words: “Customer: Ministry of Defence of Syria. Supplier: KBP, Tula, Russia.”

Brig Edelstein said: “If they tell you that Syria knew nothing about this, just look. This is the evidence. Proof, not just talk.”

The discovery of the origin of the weapons proved to the Israelis that their enemy was not a ragged and lightly armed militia but a semi-professional army equipped by Syria and Iran to take on Israel. The weapons require serious training to operate and could be beyond the capabilities of some supposedly regular armies in the Middle East. The Kornet was unveiled by Russia in 1994. It is laser-guided, has a range of three miles and carries a double warhead capable of penetrating the reactive armour on Israeli Merkava tanks. Russia started supplying them to Syria in 1998.

Israeli forces were taken by surprise by the sophistication of the anti-tank weapons they faced. They are believed to have accounted for many of the 116 deaths the army suffered. Dozens of tanks were hit and an unknown number destroyed.

The missiles were also used against infantry, in one case bringing down a house and killing nine soldiers. They played an important part in Hezbollah’s tactics of using a network of concealed positions to set up ambushes for the Israelis as they inched in. Last night, Hassan Nasrallah, the Hezbollah leader, said his men had achieved “a strategic, historic victory” over “a confused, cowardly and defeated” enemy. He said the militia would not disarm, as Israel and the UN Security Council were demanding. It would be “immoral, incorrect and inappropriate,” he said. “It is the wrong timing on a pyschological and moral level.”

As the militia leader was claiming victory, Ehud Olmert, the Israeli prime minister, defended his handling of the crisis and said that the massive air, ground and sea attack had changed the face of the Middle East. But he admitted that the military and political leadership was guilty of “shortcomings”, not least in underestimating the threat from anti-tank weapons.

Critics say that he placed too much faith in the ability of the air force to break the back of Hezbollah and delayed launching a major ground offensive until it was too late.

Benjamin Netanyahu, the Likud Party leader and a rival, said: “There were many failures — failures on identifying the threat, failures in preparing to meet the threat, failures in the management of the war, failures in the management of the home front.”

Last night, President George W. Bush blamed Iran and Syria for fomenting the conflict between Israel and Hezbollah. “We can only imagine how much more dangerous this conflict would be if Iran had the nuclear weapon it seeks,” he said.

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/08/15/syriaarmhezbollah.shtml
 

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Deadly Dealings: Missiles From China to Hezbollah
[FONT=arial,helvetica]Charles R. Smith[/FONT]​

[FONT=arial,helvetica]Monday, Aug. 28, 2006[/FONT]​
The Israeli war against Hezbollah (round one) brought with it the realization at the highest levels that dangerous weapons were floating around in dangerous hands. The successful attacks against a cargo vessel by Hezbollah, using Chinese-made C-802 cruise missiles, raised alarm bells all over the globe.
Immediately after the attack, the first alarm bell rang at CIA headquarters, where an intensified global intelligence operation to track weapons deliveries was started. The CIA began to track Iranian efforts to resupply Hezbollah with more Chinese-made C-802 missiles.
According to reports, the CIA discovered that an Iranian Il-76 cargo plane, loaded with another Chinese-made missile launcher and up to eight C-802 missiles, was being prepared to fly to Syria. The weapons on board were for Hezbollah. Officially, the Iranian cargo plane was carrying medical and other non-military aid to help innocent victims of war inside Lebanon.

A quick phone call to Baghdad convinced Iraqi officials to refuse overflight permission for the Iranian jet. Other nations were also warned about the Iranian ploy. Despite the refusal from Baghdad, the plane took off from Iran and sought overflight permission from Turkey. Turkey agreed, but only if the aircraft landed at a Turkish airbase where it and its cargo would be inspected.
Of course, the cargo jet returned to Iran and unloaded its deadly payload. The Iranian efforts did not go unnoticed, and the alert is out to keep a close watch on further flights and shipments to Lebanon.
Chinese Denials The original source of the C-802 cruise missiles, China, has also come under fire. China has done little to inhibit Iran from supplying these deadly cruise missiles to Hezbollah.


Despite the confirmed attack using the C-802, a Chinese official stated that regulations made it "impossible" for a missile China sold to Iran to be passed on to Hezbollah.
"According to our regulations, it is impossible to have that kind of situation," stated Sun Bigan, China's special envoy to the Middle East. Yet, when asked if Beijing was investigating the allegation, Sun said, "As far as I know, no."
Israel, long known for its close military relationship with China, should not take the Chinese at their word. Israel has exported weaponry to China in the form of advanced air-to-air missiles, jet fighter technology, air-to-surface missiles and radars, and even wanted to provide an airborne radar control plane to the People's Liberation Army Air Force.

It was only after loud complaints from Washington, D.C., in particular from Virginia Republican Senator John Warner, that Israel decided to halt arms transfers to Beijing. The C-802 has one damaged warship and one sunk Cambodian freighter to its credit. Clearly, advanced Chinese missile technology is aimed to kill. The additional proof that more missiles were on the way to Hezbollah should be more than enough evidence to make Tel Aviv pause before entering into any more advanced-weapons deals with Beijing.


U.S. Exports to China

The problem of advanced Chinese missiles in Hezbollah hands is also quietly changing the political-election tone here in the U.S. The feeling inside the U.S. government is that strict sanctions and export controls should be instituted to prevent U.S. military technology from falling into the hands of the Chinese.
The politics of missiles have a direct effect on the U.S. aerospace industry. Many of the leading aerospace execs feel that export regulations are already too strict and have cost them export sales of advanced U.S. technology.
For example, the Bush administration recently announced tough new regulations to improve the oversight of advanced-technology sales to China. In response, the National Foreign Trade Council (NFTC) stated that it opposed the new regulations. The National Foreign Trade Council includes major multinational corporations such as Boeing Co., Caterpillar Inc., Chevron Corp., Exxon Mobil Corp., Microsoft Corp., Ford Motor Co., General Motors Corp. and DaimlerChrysler AG.

"We are writing to express our concern over the 'conventional arms catch-all' regulation for China that was proposed on July 6. As representatives of U.S. manufacturers, we support an effective export control system to protect U.S. national security. We also recognize the risks and opportunities that trade with China presents, but we believe this regulation is not clearly integrated into our China policy and will seriously hinder U.S. competitiveness," states a letter issued by the NFTC on Aug. 2, 2006.
"As we have seen with night vision equipment, a unilateral approach inevitably undermines both U.S. competitiveness and security, encouraging other countries to design U.S. technology out of their products," noted the letter.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/8/28/92737.shtml
 

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Well, Iran needs a comeuppance. No doubt about that. But the US is already sorely overextended. The Iranian people might not be onside with the crazies running their country but isn't it a people's responsibility to impose their power? I'm a little tired of all the brinksmanship going on. Iranians, get off your duffs, kick some mullah and cleric butt, seize control of your own agenda and start to act like responsible world citizens. Or... and you know what the 'or' is, take it like a man!
 

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[FONT=Palatino, Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+2]Iran, not Hezbollah, is true enemy[/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=-1]Posted: July 17, 2006[/SIZE]
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Iran is at the center of the emerging war between the terrorist organizations Hezbollah and Hamas against Israel. Far from being a typical or recurrent Middle East crisis, this shooting war risks the future of Israel's survival as a nation, as well as the security of a continuing U.S. presence in the region. Through its dual surrogate terrorist organizations of Hezbollah and Hamas, Iran has begun its war to destroy Israel and to remove the U.S. from the Middle East.
As I noted in writing ''Atomic Iran,'' Hezbollah traces its roots to Najaf in Iraq. Najaf is an important site for Shiite Islam. Here is buried the Imam Ali, whom Shi'ites consider the first convert of Muhammad and the rightful successor to the Prophet. Ayatollah Muhammed Hussein Fadlallah, the spiritual leader of Hezbollah, studied in Najaf when he was in exile from Lebanon. There he met Ayatollah Khomeini, who was also in exile, from the Shahs Iran. Even today, Iran continues to fund Hezbollah, to the tune of some $250 million a year.
There are conflicting reports as to whether a drone equipped with a bomb or a C-802 cruise missile hit the Israeli missile ship off the coast of Lebanon. Either way, the evidence points to Iran. The C-802 cruise missile is today an Iranian-made weapon, built on the design of Chinese cruise missiles that Iran bought from China during the Clinton administration. Beginning in December 2005, Iran launched a series of war games in an attempt to demonstrate the country's military prowess, signaling to the world a willingness to resist military steps that might be taken against the nation's nuclear program. In March and April 2006, Iran's Revolutionary Guard carried out their own military exercises, demonstrating their experimentation with several Iranian-improvised weapons, including drone-type devices similar to those the first reports attributed to damaging the Israeli missile ship. Iran has reportedly supplied Hezbollah with long-range missiles.
Hezbollah's use of what amounts to ''signature'' Iranian weapons provides additional evidence that Iranian Revolutionary Guard members remain on-site in Lebanon to provide Hezbollah technical weapons assistance.

Hamas is a Sunni organization that owes its origin to the Muslim Brotherhood formed in Egypt in the 1920s. With the fall of Saddam Hussein, one of the primary financial backers of the Palestinian movement, Tehran stepped in to provide Hamas funding that would no longer be coming from Iraq. Then, in January 2006, after Hamas won the recent Palestinian Authority parliamentary elections, Iran stepped in to provide funding when international organizations and the U.S. and Israel balked at providing funding to an admitted terrorist organization committed to the destruction of Israel.
From the 1950s, until Anwar Sadat experienced a change of heart and decided that Islam could co-exist with the Jewish state, Egypt had led the war to wipe Israel off the map of the Middle East. Now Iran has taken up that mission. President Ahmadinejad, since his election in June 2005, has engaged in a rabid anti-Semitic rhetoric unheard from a head of state since the days of Adolph Hitler.
Now, with Israel surrounded by Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas in control of the Palestinian Authority, and with the ultra-conservative clerics backing Ahmadinejad in Iran, we may just have reached an historic moment where a war could seriously threaten the ability of Israel to survive. The threat grows more severe each day, as Iran continues to make progress enriching uranium, undeterred from developing a nuclear weapon that could be delivered by the Shahab-3 missile.
Hezbollah and Hamas today have to be seen as proxy terrorist organizations for the terror masters in Tehran. The current crisis was precipitated by an increasing intensity of rocket attacks on Israel by Hezbollah and Hamas. The timing was almost too convenient not to suspect that Tehran wanted to take the focus off the nuclear program, especially after Iran missed the July 12 deadline taken by the ''Five +1'' nations (the permanent members of the Security Council, plus Germany) to accept the U.N.-offered incentive package to resume the Iranian self-imposed moratorium on uranium enrichment.
As long as this current radical regime remains in power in Iran, we are assured of continuing anti-Israel, anti-U.S. terrorism coming from Tehran. Ahmadinejad has openly declared that his mission is to engage in a second Iranian revolution, completing the work begun in 1979 by Ayatollah Khomeini. A great deal of the ''insurgency'' we are experiencing in Iraq is a direct result of terrorists sent across the border by Iran in an attempt to fulminate a Sunni versus Shiite civil war that might just derail once and for all the democracy process the U.S. has pursued since forcefully removing Saddam Hussein from power.
Now, Iran and Syria have formed a mutual security defense pact which binds Syria even more firmly to Iran as a client state. Syria has yet to abandon the ambition to control Lebanon through an expanding Hezbollah that is showing increasing strength as a force within the government of Lebanon.
Simply put, the major source of trouble in the Middle East remains Iran. The success Israel has dealing with Hezbollah's current aggression against Israel will determine not only the future security of Israel, but also the future of the U.S. presence in the Middle East. If we could remove the current Iranian regime through peaceful change, there would be no more Hezbollah and no more Hamas to sow terrorism and violence throughout the region and the world. Iran supports Syria financially, relying on Damascus to manage Hezbollah in Iran and to assist in sending terrorists into Iraq.
The Middle East will remain in turmoil as long as the current Iranian regime remains in power. Ahmadinejad and the ultra-conservatives who back him will continue to push to develop nuclear weapons and we have no reason today to expect U.N. sanctions will exert any meaningful pressure to the contrary. Iran continues to swear ''Death to Israel'' and ''Death to America,'' even after Egypt, Jordan, and even Saudi Arabia have largely reconciled to live with Israel in the Middle East and with a continued U.S. presence in the region.
This is not a war Israel has started, but if the war continues to expand, we can expect the conflict to end up as a war not against Hezbollah, but as a war with Iran. The world has never had a more urgent moment than now to unite diplomatically to control and contain Iran. This is a message President Bush must hear. The true enemy of Israel and the U.S. today is not Hezbollah, Hamas, or Syria – the true enemy has been and will continue to be Iran, as long as the Islamic Republic of Iran remains the regime in Tehran.
 

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Bit by bit, Hezbollah built a fierce arsenal

By Steven Erlanger and Richard A. Oppel Jr. The New York Times

Published: August 6, 2006



JERUSALEM On Dec. 26, 2003, a huge earthquake leveled most of Bam, in southeastern Iran, killing 35,000 people. Transport planes carrying aid poured in from everywhere, including Syria.
According to Israeli military intelligence, the planes returned to Syria carrying sophisticated weapons, including long-range Zelzal missiles, which the Syrians then passed on to Hezbollah, the Shiite militia group in southern Lebanon that Iran created and sponsors.
As the Israeli Army struggles for a fourth week to defeat Hezbollah before a cease-fire, the shipments are just one indication of how - with the help of its sponsors, Iran and Syria - the militia has sharply improved its arsenal and strategies in the six years since Israel abruptly ended its occupation of southern Lebanon.
Hezbollah is a militia trained like an army and equipped like a state, and its fighters "are nothing like Hamas or the Palestinians," said a soldier who had just returned from Lebanon.
"They are trained and highly qualified," he said. "All of us were kind of surprised."
Much attention has been focused on Hezbollah's astonishing stockpile of Syrian- and Iranian-made missiles, some 3,000 of which have already rained down on Israeli cities. More than 45 Israelis have died from them - including 12 soldiers on Sunday, who were gathered at a kibbutz at Kfar Giladi, in northern Israel, when rockets packed with anti-personnel ball bearings exploded among them.
But Hezbollah's main sponsors, Iran and Syria, also used those six years to provide satellite communications and some of the world's best infantry weapons, including modern, Russian- made antitank weapons and Semtex explosives, as well as the training required to use them effectively against Israeli armor.
It is Hezbollah's skillful use of these weapons - in particular wire-guided and laser-guided antitank missiles, with double, phased explosive warheads and a range of up to three kilometers, or about two miles - that has caused most of the casualties to Israeli forces.
Hezbollah's Russian-made antitank missiles, designed to penetrate explosive tank armor, have damaged or destroyed Israeli vehicles, including its most modern tank, the Merkava, on about 20 percent of their hits, say Israeli tank commanders at the front.
Hezbollah has also used antitank missiles, including the less modern Sagger, to fire from a distance into houses in which Israeli troops are sheltering, with a first explosion cracking the typical cement-block wall and the second going off inside.
"They use them like artillery to hit houses," said Brigadier General Yossi Kuperwasser, until recently the Israeli Army's director of intelligence analysis. "They can use them accurately up to even three kilometers, and they go through a wall like through the armor of a tank."
Hezbollah fighters use pre-dug tunnels to emerge quickly out of the ground, fire a shoulder-held antitank missile, and then disappear again, much the way Chechen rebels used the sewer system of Grozny to attack Russian armored columns.
"We know what they have and how they work," Kuperwasser said. "But we don't know where all the tunnels are. So they can achieve tactical surprise."
The antitank missiles are the "main fear" for Israeli troops, said David Ben- Nun, 24, an enlisted man in the Nahal brigade who just returned from a week in Lebanon. The troops do not linger long in any house because of hidden missile crews. "You can't even see them," he said.
With modern communications and a network of tunnels, storage rooms, barracks and booby traps laid under the hilly landscape, Hezbollah's training, tactics and modern weaponry explain, the Israelis say, why they are moving with caution.
Hezbollah's fighters are said by the Israelis to number between 2,000 and 4,000, a small army that is aided by a larger circle of part-timers who provide logistics, storage of weapons in houses and civilian buildings.
Hezbollah operates like a revolutionary force among civilians, making it hard to fight without occupying or bombing civilian areas. On orders, some fighters emerge to retrieve launchers, fire missiles and then melt away. Still, the numbers are small compared with the Israeli Army and represent roughly one Syrian division.
Iranian Revolutionary Guards have helped teach Hezbollah how to organize themselves like an army, with special units for intelligence, antitank warfare, explosives, engineering, communications and rocket-launching. They have taught Hezbollah how to aim rockets, make shaped "improvised explosive devices" - used to such devastating results against American armor in Iraq - and, the Israelis say, even how to fire the C-802, the ground-to-ship missile that Israel never knew Hezbollah possessed.
Iranian Air Force officers have made repeated trips to Lebanon to train Hezbollah to target and fire Iranian medium-range missiles, like the Fajr-3 and Fajr-5, according to intelligence officials in Washington. The Americans believe a small number of Iranian operatives remain in Beirut, but say there is no evidence that they are directing Hezbollah's attacks.
But Iran, so far, has not allowed Hezbollah to fire one of the Zelzal missiles, the Israelis say, though they do not rule out a launch just before a cease-fire.
The late Syrian president, Hafez al- Assad, was careful to restrict supplies to Hezbollah, but his son, Bashar, who took over in 2000 - the year Israel pulled out of Lebanon - has opened its warehouses.
Syria has given Hezbollah 220mm and 302mm missiles, both equipped with large, anti-personnel warheads. Syria has also provided Hezbollah its most sophisticated antitank weapons, sold to the Syrian Army by Russia.
Kuperwasser, the Israeli general, said that these included the Russian Metis and RPG-29. The RPG-29 has both an antitank round to defeat explosive, reactive armor and an anti-personnel round. The Metis is more modern yet, wire-guided with a longer range and a higher speed, and can fire up to four rounds a minute.
Some Israelis believe that Syria has provided Hezbollah the Russian-made Kornet, laser-guided, with a range of up to five kilometers, which Hezbollah may be holding back for Israel to move further into southern Lebanon and extend its supply lines.
Despite Israeli complaints to Moscow, "Russia just decided to close its eyes," a senior Israeli official said.
In its early years, Hezbollah specialized in suicide bombings and kidnappings. In 1983, it took responsibility for suicide attacks on the American Embassy in Beirut and a Marine Corps barracks. It became popular in the Shiite south and set up its mini-state there, as well as reserving to itself a section of southern Beirut.
Until 2003, Timur Goksel was senior political adviser to the Unifil, the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon, which monitors the border. He says he knows Hezbollah well and speaks with admiration of their commitment and organization.
After fighting the Israelis for 18 years, "they're not afraid of the Israeli Army anymore," he said in a telephone interview from Beirut.


JERUSALEM On Dec. 26, 2003, a huge earthquake leveled most of Bam, in southeastern Iran, killing 35,000 people. Transport planes carrying aid poured in from everywhere, including Syria.
According to Israeli military intelligence, the planes returned to Syria carrying sophisticated weapons, including long-range Zelzal missiles, which the Syrians then passed on to Hezbollah, the Shiite militia group in southern Lebanon that Iran created and sponsors.
As the Israeli Army struggles for a fourth week to defeat Hezbollah before a cease-fire, the shipments are just one indication of how - with the help of its sponsors, Iran and Syria - the militia has sharply improved its arsenal and strategies in the six years since Israel abruptly ended its occupation of southern Lebanon.
Hezbollah is a militia trained like an army and equipped like a state, and its fighters "are nothing like Hamas or the Palestinians," said a soldier who had just returned from Lebanon.
"They are trained and highly qualified," he said. "All of us were kind of surprised."
Much attention has been focused on Hezbollah's astonishing stockpile of Syrian- and Iranian-made missiles, some 3,000 of which have already rained down on Israeli cities. More than 45 Israelis have died from them - including 12 soldiers on Sunday, who were gathered at a kibbutz at Kfar Giladi, in northern Israel, when rockets packed with anti-personnel ball bearings exploded among them.
But Hezbollah's main sponsors, Iran and Syria, also used those six years to provide satellite communications and some of the world's best infantry weapons, including modern, Russian- made antitank weapons and Semtex explosives, as well as the training required to use them effectively against Israeli armor.
It is Hezbollah's skillful use of these weapons - in particular wire-guided and laser-guided antitank missiles, with double, phased explosive warheads and a range of up to three kilometers, or about two miles - that has caused most of the casualties to Israeli forces.
Hezbollah's Russian-made antitank missiles, designed to penetrate explosive tank armor, have damaged or destroyed Israeli vehicles, including its most modern tank, the Merkava, on about 20 percent of their hits, say Israeli tank commanders at the front.
Hezbollah has also used antitank missiles, including the less modern Sagger, to fire from a distance into houses in which Israeli troops are sheltering, with a first explosion cracking the typical cement-block wall and the second going off inside.
"They use them like artillery to hit houses," said Brigadier General Yossi Kuperwasser, until recently the Israeli Army's director of intelligence analysis. "They can use them accurately up to even three kilometers, and they go through a wall like through the armor of a tank."
Hezbollah fighters use pre-dug tunnels to emerge quickly out of the ground, fire a shoulder-held antitank missile, and then disappear again, much the way Chechen rebels used the sewer system of Grozny to attack Russian armored columns.
"We know what they have and how they work," Kuperwasser said. "But we don't know where all the tunnels are. So they can achieve tactical surprise."
The antitank missiles are the "main fear" for Israeli troops, said David Ben- Nun, 24, an enlisted man in the Nahal brigade who just returned from a week in Lebanon. The troops do not linger long in any house because of hidden missile crews. "You can't even see them," he said.
With modern communications and a network of tunnels, storage rooms, barracks and booby traps laid under the hilly landscape, Hezbollah's training, tactics and modern weaponry explain, the Israelis say, why they are moving with caution.
Hezbollah's fighters are said by the Israelis to number between 2,000 and 4,000, a small army that is aided by a larger circle of part-timers who provide logistics, storage of weapons in houses and civilian buildings.
Hezbollah operates like a revolutionary force among civilians, making it hard to fight without occupying or bombing civilian areas. On orders, some fighters emerge to retrieve launchers, fire missiles and then melt away. Still, the numbers are small compared with the Israeli Army and represent roughly one Syrian division.
Iranian Revolutionary Guards have helped teach Hezbollah how to organize themselves like an army, with special units for intelligence, antitank warfare, explosives, engineering, communications and rocket-launching. They have taught Hezbollah how to aim rockets, make shaped "improvised explosive devices" - used to such devastating results against American armor in Iraq - and, the Israelis say, even how to fire the C-802, the ground-to-ship missile that Israel never knew Hezbollah possessed.
Iranian Air Force officers have made repeated trips to Lebanon to train Hezbollah to target and fire Iranian medium-range missiles, like the Fajr-3 and Fajr-5, according to intelligence officials in Washington. The Americans believe a small number of Iranian operatives remain in Beirut, but say there is no evidence that they are directing Hezbollah's attacks.
But Iran, so far, has not allowed Hezbollah to fire one of the Zelzal missiles, the Israelis say, though they do not rule out a launch just before a cease-fire.
The late Syrian president, Hafez al- Assad, was careful to restrict supplies to Hezbollah, but his son, Bashar, who took over in 2000 - the year Israel pulled out of Lebanon - has opened its warehouses.
Syria has given Hezbollah 220mm and 302mm missiles, both equipped with large, anti-personnel warheads. Syria has also provided Hezbollah its most sophisticated antitank weapons, sold to the Syrian Army by Russia.
Kuperwasser, the Israeli general, said that these included the Russian Metis and RPG-29. The RPG-29 has both an antitank round to defeat explosive, reactive armor and an anti-personnel round. The Metis is more modern yet, wire-guided with a longer range and a higher speed, and can fire up to four rounds a minute.
Some Israelis believe that Syria has provided Hezbollah the Russian-made Kornet, laser-guided, with a range of up to five kilometers, which Hezbollah may be holding back for Israel to move further into southern Lebanon and extend its supply lines.
Despite Israeli complaints to Moscow, "Russia just decided to close its eyes," a senior Israeli official said.
In its early years, Hezbollah specialized in suicide bombings and kidnappings. In 1983, it took responsibility for suicide attacks on the American Embassy in Beirut and a Marine Corps barracks. It became popular in the Shiite south and set up its mini-state there, as well as reserving to itself a section of southern Beirut.
Until 2003, Timur Goksel was senior political adviser to the Unifil, the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon, which monitors the border. He says he knows Hezbollah well and speaks with admiration of their commitment and organization.
After fighting the Israelis for 18 years, "they're not afraid of the Israeli Army anymore," he said in a telephone interview from Beirut.





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Iran to supply Hezbollah with missiles

  • <LI class=byline>From correspondents in London
  • August 05, 2006
IRAN will supply Hezbollah with surface-to-air missile systems in the coming months, boosting the guerrillas' defences against Israeli aircraft, according to a report by specialist magazine Jane's Defence Weekly on Friday, citing unnamed Western diplomatic sources.

In a meeting, held late last month, the Lebanese Shiite Muslim militia called on Tehran to "accelerate and extend the scope of weapon shipments from Iran to the Islamic Resistance, particularly advanced missiles against ground and air targets." Hezbollah's representatives pressed for "an array of more advanced weaponry, including more advanced SAM (surface-to-air missile) systems," Jane's said.
"Iranian authorities conveyed a message to the Hezbollah leadership that their forces would continue to receive a steady supply of weapons systems," it added.
"The details coming from the meeting reveal that they are about ensuring a constant supply of weapons to support Islamic Resistance operations against Israel," said Robin Hughes, the magazine's Middle East Editor.
"We are told the latest meeting was attended by senior representatives of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps' Qods force which is responsible for training and logistic support for Iranian-backed insurgent groups."
According to Jane's Defence Weekly, Iranian authorities have supplied the militia with Iranian-made Noor radar-guided anti-ship cruise missiles and Chinese QW-1 (Vanguard) shoulder-launched SAMs.
Russian-made SAMs will reportedly be supplied at a later date.
Hezbollah has been locked in a more than three-week long deadly conflict against Israel since it kidnapped two Israeli soldiers and killed eight others on July 12.
Israel has carried out a widespread bombing campaign of southern Lebanon, where Hezbollah is based, and Hezbollah has fired rockets into northern Israel.
A Hezbollah anti-ship missile also damaged an Israeli corvette off the Lebanese coast in the early days of the conflict, killing four sailors. Israel said the missile was Iranian-built but Tehran denied involvement.
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As anyone that lives within the realm of reality can plainly and easily see, the sources very, but the story is the same. Iran is supplying weapons to the terrorist groups, Iran is teaching it's children to hate and so on. But hey, don't let reality get in the way of your bigotry!

As long as the half witted run screaming in circles, seeing the Neo Con/Zionist conspiracy around every corner, deflect acknowledging the the curiculum of hate that permiates the system in the ME, there will be no end to the stupidity and half baked half truths posted across the net, by them.

Not every alligation leveled at the inhabitants of every ME Arab nation hold water, but the mountains of evidence are enough for the truly "realistic" people, that find life more interesting in the realm of reality as apposed to those that hide in a realm of whimzicle half truths and claims of "its against their religion", that somehow make it all better for them and easier to justify their continued rants and rages agianst sovereign entities. IN that, I say it goes both ways. The nonsense being accumulated at present to justify an attack on Iran, is absolutely obscene and absured. But the perpetratos of that mess, share a common trait with the lunatic fringe that continuously deny the hate and aggression against Israel, deny Israel's right to exist, deny the Arabs in the ME seek to eradicate Israel, deny the nazi heritage of the terrorist groups, both of these groups deny reality. A failing they show in monumental preportions.
 
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Well, Iran needs a comeuppance. No doubt about that. But the US is already sorely overextended. The Iranian people might not be onside with the crazies running their country but isn't it a people's responsibility to impose their power? I'm a little tired of all the brinksmanship going on. Iranians, get off your duffs, kick some mullah and cleric butt, seize control of your own agenda and start to act like responsible world citizens. Or... and you know what the 'or' is, take it like a man!
This will be ignore by the morons that are blissfuly happy to judge and paint anyone that sees through their stupidity and bigotry, but I say it none the less(Not directed at you tamrin)

An attack on Iran is not only fool hardy, it is not necessary. The ridiculous claims of nuclear weapons building is just that, ridiculous.

If they pose a threat to any nation, they will be dealt with, I am sure, by Israel. US interference, is just a new way to incrase war profits.

If any Americans are listening, STAY OUT OF IRAN. It will only end badly!!! Iraq will look like a picnic, compared to the war that will take place in Iran.

I often wonder, and I'm not defending them per se, how it would feel living in Israel. A long history of persecution part of the national pysche and surrounded by people who utterl despise you and your nation and people.I wonder, given all that, how we would behave if it was our people and our country?
An excellent point mary.

You see this is the problem with the deniers, haters, bigoted morons, racist asshats and anti Israeli crowd that permiate the net. They can not empathize or sympathize with a nation that is surrounded by those that wish to wipe them off the map. From well before the creation of the Nation of Israel, they were a subjugated, beaten, burned, murdered and displaced people.

Once their Nation was founed and given existance, they fell victim again to nazi agression, in the form of the Arab nazi movement with the Arab world. A direct ancestor to the nazi's of Germay. They had war waged on them, and the deniers blame Israel. They keep the lands gained in those wars, as war reperations and the bigots cry foul. They return the oil rich Sinia to Egypt and still are accused of just wanting to steal land. They are bombarded and harassed by rockets, suicide bombers and anti semetic tripe continuously and those that live in a world void of reality point at Irael as the bad guy.

But hey, don't let my words assist in your formulation of an opinion, read things like the Hezbollahs manifesto, Hamas's manifesto and so on. They have stated that they wish nothing, but harm against Israel. That won't change the asshat racists minds about them, they will continuously claim they are an elected political party. I bet these same misguided morons, would have fallen in line and bed with the nazi regime of Germany old. Just because that is what best suites their ideology, as expressed in their continued denials and dismissals of anything that does not jive with their form of reality.

Does that help mary, lol?
 
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CDN, I hear you but I don't see an Israeli strike on Iran being possible without explicit American support. If the strike provokes a regional uproar it'll still be the US that's forced to pick up the pieces. We do live in dangerous times. And, of course, you have those looming others, Russia and China, to deal with. I'm not sure how it's all going to work out. But a lot of people are going to be hurt.
 

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CDN, I hear you but I don't see an Israeli strike on Iran being possible without explicit American support. If the strike provokes a regional uproar it'll still be the US that's forced to pick up the pieces. We do live in dangerous times. And, of course, you have those looming others, Russia and China, to deal with. I'm not sure how it's all going to work out. But a lot of people are going to be hurt.
Absolutely tamarin. I fear for the future of my children. We walk forth in a world filled with anger and misguided men leading us to doom with dollar signs in their minds. They of course are only helped by the deniers I mentioned. Those deniers, help quash the exposure of the corruption and hate with the ME. As long as the deniers and bigots help hinder the exposure, there will always be that elliment of uncertainty that will undoubtedly be used to start or wage war against the countries they seek so hard to support.

Exposing and accepting the truth about these ideologies, criminal actions and so on, only sheds light on the roaches perpetrating the hate and crime. Much like in the US, when dirt is exposed peacefully, change happens. Political parties are pushed asside to make way for the other, who undoubtedly claims they will not be like the other.

But in the ME, where the perpetrators of the hate and criminal actions, find support in the morally bankrupt fringe anti Israeli, anti US crowd, there will be no change. Their cheerleaders, some of which stink up CC, keep shooting out the lights and the roaches run rampant.

No one has to like Israel or the US, but ignoring the crimes of the terrorists and focusing the stupidity all on Israel or the US, is absord and ridiculous. It only assists the terrorists when you justify their actions and condemn those of Israel and the US. But hey, what exactly should we expect from people that do not live life in reality?
 

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An excellent point mary.

You see this is the problem with the deniers, haters, bigoted morons, racist asshats and anti Israeli crowd that permiate the net. They can not empathize or sympathize with a nation that is surrounded by those that wish to wipe them off the map. From well before the creation of the Nation of Israel, they were a subjugated, beaten, burned, murdered and displaced people.

Once their Nation was founed and given existance, they fell victim again to nazi agression, in the form of the Arab nazi movement with the Arab world. A direct ancestor to the nazi's of Germay. They had war waged on them, and the deniers blame Israel. They keep the lands gained in those wars, as war reperations and the bigots cry foul. They return the oil rich Sinia to Egypt and still are accused of just wanting to steal land. They are bombarded and harassed by rockets, suicide bombers and anti semetic tripe continuously and those that live in a world void of reality point at Irael as the bad guy.

But hey, don't let my words assist in your formulation of an opinion, read things like the Hezbollahs manifesto, Hamas's manifesto and so on. They have stated that they wish nothing, but harm against Israel. That won't change the asshat racists minds about them, they will continuously claim they are an elected political party. I bet these same misguided morons, would have fallen in line and bed with the nazi regime of Germany old. Just because that is what best suites their ideology, as expressed in their continued denials and dismissals of anything that does not jive with their form of reality.

Does that help mary, lol?


Yup:) I should state first that I am an avowed pacifist, one of those "give peace a chance" people. So I don't care for war or violence. However, that dosen't mean I'm blind to how these things begin. I really do not know how we'd behave as Canadians if our people were in the same boat, surrounded on all sides by hostile enemies. I mean, how would any of us feel if walking the streets of Toronto meant the possibility that there might be a bomb in a bus, a restaurant or whatever?
 

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Having served a Tour in the area...

The people are not unlike any other people. They go about there business and day to day lives as best they can. I saw very little in the way of fear, aprehention, caution, perhaps a tad bit of weiriness, but for the most part, normal people, doing normal things. I found most of them to be pleasant and kind. I did however find some hate, bigotry and painful memories.

Most of which is fueled by politics. If the people who claim to represent the people stopped insighting the hatred, it would likely eb. But they have an agenda, fan the flames of hate, compell the people to support them, because they vow to wage war on the "Zionist" threat. It's an illusion, preoccupying the minds of the infantile and moronic.

It really is no different then the US's policy of propoganda and lies. Only in Israel, there is a very real threat on a daily basis.

That's not to say that Israel is free from the stench of stupid, their actions perpetuate a lot of their own strife.

But I can say with a reasonable amount of experience and truth, that if I was living in Israel, knowing the history of the Jewish people and the contemporary history as well, I might find myself easily swayed to be a tad anti Arab.

Hell, is it so wrong to want to sit in a cafe and sip a latte, without the fear of a child blowing themselves up next to you?

In that same breath, is it so wrong to want to get a good nights sleep, without the wooshing and sonic booms of Israel recon jets, jarring you from sleep.

It is not the common people in the area that mess it up, it's the common anti Israeli moron, Muslim extremist and the terrorists and the political meddlings of power brokers that mess it up, for the truly desreving people of the area.
 

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It's hard to imagine anything that might finally resolve the key Mid-East issues that have headlined newspapers all of my life. I'm 55 and little has changed since I was 10. They keep shuffling the cards and it's only been in the last five years that Israel is starting to lose some hands. Is the West willing to go to bat for them if someone suddenly decides to upend the table?
 

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Any community under stress and outside pressure will teach its children to identify the enemy, deification of the enemy is not restricted to people of the middle east. It would be impossible to state that the western democracys do not play the same game. The practice is more sophisticated in our communitys though but no less instructive to the young. As an example of the impaired thinking that results from the practice we can redily see the unreasonable conclusions expounded here in this thread. In our western democracys many of us are of the opinion that Islamist fanatics represent a major problem to the planet, they demonstratable do not.While christian fundementalists are viewed as benign agents of the fluffy lord Jesus, these same christians are armed to the teeth with the most sophisticated and extensive military machine ever assembled that has for decades expended millions of tons of weaponry and impoverished large regions of the planet.
The small elite rich western interests have demonized the Muslim world to the point that the fear mongering has exceeded all reason and impedes the commonwealth of the planet. Those of us who advocate for the destruction of the percieved Muslim threat have taken the side of the aggressor, the thief, the murderer, the decadent rich, we stand with the powerful sick few who would rule the whole with the same ruthless disregard for humanity as they have for the poor people in any big city in Canada or the States.It's the same as cheering on a two-hundred pound prick beating his wife and kids in the street. The people of the Middle East have been subjected to brutality by imperialism for getting on to a hundred and seventyfive years now, it has been thier great misfortune to live on that oil, it has always been a curse to them. Someone taught you to hate the Muslims and you teach others the same, put your stones down man your living in a glass house.