In Canada, are the Conservatives the Centerist Party?

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Despite Canadians growing weary of the Harper Conservatives at the time, McTeague said that without Trudeau, the Liberals wouldn’t have been much of a match in 2015 — to say anything about winning a majority government.

“Many MPs are now finally realizing, after a decade, that they went too far to the left,” McTeague said. Dan McTeague, a Liberal MP from 1993-2011, said the party hitching its wagon to the Trudeau name was an act of desperation.

“(Justin) Trudeau was a quick fix, it was all we needed,” he said. “For a generation, the name ‘Trudeau’ had been synonymous with the Liberal Party, and vice-versa. It got them out of third place and brought them to first, with a name everybody identified with.”

“This is the party that created social opportunity. This isn’t a socialist party, and yet it’s replete with socialists.”

Whatever the party chooses to do in the weeks and months ahead, their time is limited…& so is Canada’s because the clock is ticking.
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Despite Canadians growing weary of the Harper Conservatives at the time, McTeague said that without Trudeau, the Liberals wouldn’t have been much of a match in 2015 — to say anything about winning a majority government.

“Many MPs are now finally realizing, after a decade, that they went too far to the left,” McTeague said. Dan McTeague, a Liberal MP from 1993-2011, said the party hitching its wagon to the Trudeau name was an act of desperation.

“(Justin) Trudeau was a quick fix, it was all we needed,” he said. “For a generation, the name ‘Trudeau’ had been synonymous with the Liberal Party, and vice-versa. It got them out of third place and brought them to first, with a name everybody identified with.”

“This is the party that created social opportunity. This isn’t a socialist party, and yet it’s replete with socialists.”

Whatever the party chooses to do in the weeks and months ahead, their time is limited…& so is Canada’s because the clock is ticking.
If they thought they were desperate before.
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These two Liberal MP’s recognize that the proposal for resignation eventually of an unpopular leader will not, on its own, be enough. The majority of Canadians we speak to want change. They may well believe the Conservatives are generally too far to the right, but many equally believe that the Liberal party has gone too far to the left.
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As self proclaimed centrists they have and will continue to advocate for pragmatic policies that will earn the support of a broad coalition of Canadians?

There are a number of issues where these two Liberal MP’s would like to see changes.
(Anthony Housefather is the member of Parliament for Mount Royal and Yvan Baker is the member of Parliament for Etobicoke Centre)
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We can let Canadians decide where their center is, if they’re allowed to have their say, with their ballots, in an election, eventually.
 
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These two Liberal MP’s recognize that the proposal for resignation eventually of an unpopular leader will not, on its own, be enough. The majority of Canadians we speak to want change. They may well believe the Conservatives are generally too far to the right, but many equally believe that the Liberal party has gone too far to the left.
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(Is that what this map is telling us?)

As self proclaimed centrists they have and will continue to advocate for pragmatic policies that will earn the support of a broad coalition of Canadians?

There are a number of issues where these two Liberal MP’s would like to see changes.
(Anthony Housefather is the member of Parliament for Mount Royal and Yvan Baker is the member of Parliament for Etobicoke Centre)
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We can let Canadians decide where their center is, if they’re allowed to have their say, with their ballots, in an election, eventually.
And this is exactly why I am neither left or right. Once one forms a group and others join that group, those people's ideals and views are dictated by that group. If you don't follow along and do & say what is expected, you're no longer part of that group. Eventually, those groups go further and further off the deep end.

Take Femenism and the MeToo movements. Things that originally had reasonable goals at the start, but then morphed into extreme BS that divided rather than united. Where MeToo morphed into an online lynch mob for any woman to use against any man without proof or due process and men lost jobs, relationships and families because nobody wanted to be associated with them or risk loss of business over accusations not proven in court. It got so damn bad that even guys were getting attacked online for claims of "Unwanted Advances" which were literally guys at a bar approaching a girl and wanting to talk..... Apparently that makes you a creep and a sexual predator now.

Which then led to the expansion of the Incel Movement and MGTOW or whatever the hell its call movement. Plus we got girls posting on TikTok and social media complaining they can't find any guys and no guy wants to approach them. I wonder'fk'n why? When women choose bears over men, you gave a pretty clear message.

But it goes beyond that and now into politics, where political parties once used to be centre left or centre right (or just plain centre), now they're all either far/extreme left or right and it's either their way or nothing at all. You either agree with them or you're the enemy. How the sweet hell can anyone expect anything in a government to get done in that kind of environment? Nothing usually does get done or only the bare ass minimum.

Compromises are required to get things moving ahead, and we all should know that compromises are when no side wins but both sides at least get something. It used to be the old fashion way of making a deal. But all this divisionalist (word of the day) crap just keeps going and getting worse.

Why? Because if our leaders can make the public finger point at each other for all their problems and blame their differing ideals and not compromise, then the public is too busy bitching at one another to realise just how incompetent all our leaders are through the whole political spectrum. They get paid and live better lives than most of us regardless on whether they do any work or not. They don't give a shit. All they need to do is toss out some catch phrases and blame the other guys to get some votes.

And people give them their votes, thinking that those politicians will magically fix all their problems in the world, when in reality, they'll be living in as much misery as they were before, just from different angles.

And when people finally get sick and tired of getting crammed up the kazoo with a pineapple, they'll vote in the next person doing the exact same thing expecting a different result. It was like this with Harper, then with Justin, and you'll all soon see it'll be the same shit when the next PM comes along.

It might be slightly different. Maybe a little more runny. Maybe a few cashew nuts. You could get really lucky and have some corn poking out..... But it's still gonna stink and you'll still be trying to wipe it away with no luck.

As I see it, I don't support any specific political party and refuse to lean any which direction. I take problems on a case by case basis, what seems right and wrong to me, and support what I think is best. No one political party is going to check all the boxes for me, so unfortunately, all I can personally do is toss a vote to whoever looks like they can check the most over the next, hope they check one or two of those boxes while in power, and then vote their sorry asses out for the next round and see if some other party can fix a few more things.

Hopefully they fix more than they break, which is all one can really hope for when casting a ballot in a representative democracy.
 

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If, as the Liberals say, Pierre Poilivere is a terrible leader and the Conservatives are bankrupt of ideas, why does Prime Minister Mark Carney keep stealing them?

The latest example of Carney’s political plagiarism is his support for a new pipeline to deliver bitumen from Alberta’s oil sands to tidewater in B.C. and from there to Asian markets by ocean-going tankers.

But that’s just one of many instances of Carney governing like a Conservative – including reversing previous Liberal policies – using ideas first advocated by Poilievre and the Conservatives.

Others include ending the consumer carbon tax, the middle class tax cut, killing the capital gains tax hike, reducing immigration levels, postponing the EV mandate, bail reform and cutting the GST for new home buyers.

All of these policies – and policy reversals – by Carney are designed to win over Conservative voters to the Liberals in the next election in pursuit of a Liberal majority.

Of course the Liberals will argue they carried out their policies – and policy reversals – in more responsible (= watered down) ways than Poilievre and the Conservatives would have done. But that doesn’t change the fact that the political momentum for these policies came from the Conservatives.

Poilievre, for example, was warning that the high immigration targets the Liberals implemented post-pandemic would inevitably lead to a housing crisis, which is exactly what happened – while Liberal immigration ministers were suggesting anyone who criticized their ill-advised policy was a racist.

That was until they finally conceded Poilievre was right, that they had indeed allowed their immigration, international student and temporary foreign worker programs to expand beyond Canada’s capacity to absorb them and belatedly, if somewhat half-heartedly, started to lower them.

Even so, it will take a long time for the Canadian economy to recover from that Liberal blunder.

Indeed, during the leadership race he eventually won, Carney himself cited the fact the Liberal government of Justin Trudeau he now hoped to lead, had allowed immigration levels to get out of control, one of the reasons he said, that the Canadian economy was weak long before U.S. President Donald Trump launched his trade and tariff war against us.

Carney also agreed with Poilievre and the Conservatives during the federal election that under a decade of Liberal rule, the government had allowed its spending, deficits and operating costs to spiral out of control, another reason for Canada’s weakened economy, pre-Trump, that he promised to fix.

The fact he didn’t fix it in his November budget doesn’t change the fact that Poilievre was right on these issues.
To be sure, there’s nothing new about the Liberals stealing their ideas from the Conservatives, and for that matter from the New Democrats as well, as we all saw during the Trudeau era.

It’s one of the reasons they are Canada’s most successful national party – in power more than 70% of the time since 1900.
Liberals grow and shed their political policies in much the same way a snake sheds its skin, or Trudeau sheds personal responsibility.

A cynic would say that’s because they have no political principles, a supporter that their positions evolve in response to voter concerns. In one sense we should be thankful, given that without the presence of the Conservatives, many Liberal policies would be even worse than they are.

That said, the best way to ensure the delivery of Conservative policies, for those who are in favour of them, would be to elect the Conservatives and eliminate the Liberal middle men and women.