If Trudeau wins the Election in 2019..

Curious Cdn

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Ont. unemployment rate is 5.8% same as the national average why so high if there is more jobs available than Sask. and Alta. combined? Why the push for $15.00/hr min. wage if there is so many jobs available? Competition in the free market for all those jobs should set the average wage no?
"The push" for $15.00 an hour is because I costs more than a million dollars, now, to buy a truly modest bungalow in most of the GTA and $25.00 an hour is still not enough to afford to rent a 300 square foot apartment. It's a lot cheaper to live in the boondocks but this is where most of the jobs are. $14.00 an hour is enough for live-in-mom's basement without a car and no hope of accumulating the savings to do more in any of the Eastern cities. You MAY pull it off in Montreal because the rents are a lot lower but not a here in Ontario. It is just not possible to exist here on $14 an hour ...or $15 for that matter.
 

petros

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It's 50/50 odds in SK that your small town cafe has Punjabi or Chinese buffet on Sunday.
 
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Curious Cdn

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It's 50/50 odds your small town cafe has Punjabi or Chinese buffet on Sunday.
No Chinese buffets left around there. Lots of Sushi joints No Punjabis in this part of the GTA. An East Indian restaurant or two but not Punjabi. or Hallal. We have lots of Thai right now but I doubt that they live in Oakville.
 

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"The push" for $15.00 an hour is because I costs more than a million dollars, now, to buy a truly modest bungalow in most of the GTA and $25.00 an hour is still not enough to afford to rent a 300 square foot apartment. It's a lot cheaper to live in the boondocks but this is where most of the jobs are. $14.00 an hour is enough for live-in-mom's basement without a car and no hope of accumulating the savings to do more in any of the Eastern cities. You MAY pull it off in Montreal because the rents are a lot lower but not a here in Ontario. It is just not possible to exist here on $14 an hour ...or $15 for that matter.

So the unemployment rate is higher than you believe because the market would be paying up to attract employees otherwise.

Or are they service industry jobs on the most part?
 

petros

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Immigration is driving housing prices in the GTA beyond reach for most people. Supply/Demand ...
Oh no no. That's speculation driving prices up. Look to building permit issuance of the years. Have permits jumped or plummeted?

That the real real estate indicator.


GTA has yet to recover from 2014.

GTA building permits plummet 43.5 per cent in August

By SUSAN PIGG BUSINESS REPORTER
Tues., Oct. 7, 2014
 

Curious Cdn

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So the unemployment rate is higher than you believe because the market would be paying up to attract employees otherwise.
Or are they service industry jobs on the most part?
You don't get much of a worker for $15.00 an hour. You get an employee who will flee at the first opportunity. If your factory operation puts cotton wads in Aspirin bottles, that may be good enough for you but those jobs have all gone to low wage Asian places, anyway. What is left for us in the Western World has a much higher custom element in it and more highly engineered products (our local Ford plant produces the most complex builds in the Ford lineup for export all over the world). You don't get much of a knowledge worker for peanuts. You get a coffee pourer at Timmy's. That kind of Service Sector employment generates relatively little wealth.

Keeping people down shrinks the economy.
 

Curious Cdn

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Oh no no. That's speculation driving prices up. Look to building permit issuance of the years. Have permits jumped or plummeted?
That the real real estate indicator.
GTA has yet to recover from 2014.
GTA building permits plummet 43.5 per cent in August
By SUSAN PIGG BUSINESS REPORTER
Tues., Oct. 7, 2014
Crap, not around here!
 

pgs

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You don't get much of a worker for $15.00 an hour. You get an employee who will flee at the first opportunity. If your factory operation puts cotton wads in Aspirin bottles, that may be good enough for you but those jobs have all gone to low wage Asian places, anyway. What is left for us in the Western World has a much higher custom element in it and more highly engineered products (our local Ford plant produces the most complex builds in the Ford lineup for export all over the world). You don't get much of a knowledge worker for peanuts. You get a coffee pourer at Timmy's. That kind of Service Sector employment generates relatively little wealth.

Keeping people down shrinks the economy.
So let’s have higher immigration from third world countries .
 

Hoid

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In that the children of immigrants are out performing the children of old stock Canadians - yes - let's have all the immigrants we can get. We need them to help pay for the loafers like yourself.
 

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"The push" for $15.00 an hour is because I costs more than a million dollars, now, to buy a truly modest bungalow in most of the GTA and $25.00 an hour is still not enough to afford to rent a 300 square foot apartment. It's a lot cheaper to live in the boondocks but this is where most of the jobs are. $14.00 an hour is enough for live-in-mom's basement without a car and no hope of accumulating the savings to do more in any of the Eastern cities. You MAY pull it off in Montreal because the rents are a lot lower but not a here in Ontario. It is just not possible to exist here on $14 an hour ...or $15 for that matter.
$40 hr barely covers it on the island anymore. The idle rich from elsewhere have pushed up house prices so much local kids can not afford to live here unless they inherit a house. ANd then the taxes will soon force them out because of the inflated value.
 

Curious Cdn

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$40 hr barely covers it on the island anymore. The idle rich from elsewhere have pushed up house prices so much local kids can not afford to live here unless they inherit a house. ANd then the taxes will soon force them out because of the inflated value.
That's the same here and it is a very bad trend ... that hasn't reached the interior of the country, as of yet. Hourly wage labour is substance only around here under $25 an hour and employers have so little commitment to their employees that the real cheapskate operations run on Temp labour. Temps have zero rights in the work place and they can be let go for no good reason.

Those are the $15.00/hour people.

Rob Ford was lobbied by fast food franchisees into keeping wages below $15, as if burger sales and margins were going to plunge if you have to pay five people an extra $0.35 an hour in your Mickey Dees. Your overhead just increased by $14 per day.

It's patent nonsense.
 

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"The push" for $15.00 an hour is because I costs more than a million dollars, now, to buy a truly modest bungalow in most of the GTA and $25.00 an hour is still not enough to afford to rent a 300 square foot apartment. It's a lot cheaper to live in the boondocks but this is where most of the jobs are. $14.00 an hour is enough for live-in-mom's basement without a car and no hope of accumulating the savings to do more in any of the Eastern cities. You MAY pull it off in Montreal because the rents are a lot lower but not a here in Ontario. It is just not possible to exist here on $14 an hour ...or $15 for that matter.

The Liberal hag you kept voting is what caused the high cost of of living in Ont