If now you see a miracle, will you believe?

If you see a miracle with your own eyes, will you believe?


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Dexter Sinister

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Oct 1, 2004
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The only problem with that is that it is not something that anybody can prove to another. It is a personal experience that has nothing to do with what others believe or experience. It is a very subjective thing, not objective. That is why science can never prove or disprove. Of course, some people will believe anything and some will believe nothing without proof.
I would disagree with most of that. If god is real, the fact ought to be demonstrable, and the subjectivity is what makes existence claims suspect. Anybody who's looked hard, as I have, at the ways people have of fooling themselves into believing things they want to be true, of misperceiving, misremembering, misinterpreting, misunderstanding, will understand that a subjective impression or interpretation of feelings or events is highly likely to be wrong. We have serious cognitive and perceptual biases that are well enough known to science to have been named and defined, like confirmation bias, communal reinforcement, hindsight bias, apophenia, pareidolia, selection bias...ach, the list is endless. Critical thinking and the methods of science are the only reliable means we've ever discovered for testing the truth content of claims, and any claim that fails those methods deserves to be rejected.
In the end, if god exists I doubt very much it cares what you believe or don't.
That I agree with, most theists would not. They'd argue strongly, as have several people here, that what you believe or don't believe will have permanent, long-term consequences. Like eternal salvation or damnation.
 

JLM

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It's not God that I have my doubts about, it's the a$$holes that try to interpret Him and try to second guess Him and just end up looking like idiots. A couple of the A$$holes came to the door tonight during the hockey game, my wife had them gone in a flash. Just an inconsiderate act like that is enough to remove any credibility they think they had. Such ignorance.....................8O
 

Cliffy

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Nov 19, 2008
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I doubt God micromanages, considering we keep doing the same things over and over and over and over, it's probably a pretty boring planet anyway. :D
It was probably fun for the first bit, but, Ya, redundancy can get stale really fast. I just think that if there was a god that created the Universe, it would have a lot more important things to do besides watch over us pathetic little carbon units.
 

Said1

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It was probably fun for the first bit, but, Ya, redundancy can get stale really fast. I just think that if there was a god that created the Universe, it would have a lot more important things to do besides watch over us pathetic little carbon units.
Considering how fast we multiply, and we probably don't come off very nice, as a group. :D

I do believe in miracles though, but I just accept them as that, and don't worry about who's responsible because that clearly is not the point.
 

PoliticalNick

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Mar 8, 2011
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I'll tell you what, if I come home and there is a couple of million bucks cash on my coffee table I'll believe in anything you want.
 

Corduroy

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My favourite is Matthew 21:18-19

18 Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. 19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered.

Take that fig!