Idle No More -Where is the Leadership?

petros

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Is there a fruit that is white on the outside and red on the inside?
It's not a fruit but.....watermelon radishes. LOL

 

gerryh

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Actually Ron there is a huge difference legally. The Dominion of Canada was ruled by the British monarchy, Canada is not. It is like Ukraine or Georgia that were once part of the USSR but are now independent, sovereign nations. As they are not bound by treaties and trade agreements made by the USSR we are not bound by treaties made by the British Crown.


Wrong, and the SCOC concurs.
 

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Kelowna has and always will be a sh*thole. The crops there all relied on irrigation. Good crop land doesn't need irrigation.
Riiiight. Try growing fruit without water. :rolleyes:

It wasn't until after the lakes were cleaned up which required fancy unheard of things like sewage plants, irrigation, fertilizer and pesticide use to be ceased which decimated crop yields and quality.

Then came more "green" crap and Mac Blo and other mills closed. It wasn't until then that people went there in droves because there was no economy left and land was cheap after the originals all left.

"Green" killed the old Kelowna but was it really better when sh*t, pesticides, fertilizers flowed freely into the lakes feeding the milfoil and algaes that stank to high heaven choking out the fish making it a disappointing place to holiday?
Your opinion. Not fact. You're talking about the Okanagan since the 70s. Before that it was a prime area for agriculture. Most of the land by the lakes was alluvial fan from glacial activity and it was very fertile. Now, a large fraction of it has been paved over and turned into suburban lawns. The "green" thing is quite new.

Okanagan Valley - The Canadian Encyclopedia

Depopulate the cities and suburbs and the land will suffer.

But anyway, this is perpendicular to the topic.
 
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petros

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Riiiight. Try growing fruit without water. :rolleyes:

Your opinion. Not fact. You're talking about the Okanagan since the 70s. Before that it was a prime area for agriculture. Most of the land by the lakes was alluvial fan from glacial activity and it was very fertile. Now, a large fraction of it has been paved over and turned into suburban lawns. The "green" thing is quite new.

Okanagan Valley - The Canadian Encyclopedia

Depopulate the cities and suburbs and the land will suffer.

But anyway, this is perpendicular to the topic.
Try growing anything without water. If you need to irrigate it's not prime land.

I don't need you to tell me anything about the OK Winfield, BC - Google Maps hey look you can see my old house from up here.
 

gerryh

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Well the stupid old f*ckers are wrong. Not the first time they screw up a decision and won't be the last. They are humans and therefore just as prone to error as any other.

So, you advocate Canada throwing out legally binding agreements that were made in good faith. I also gather that you don't think there should be any ramifications for doing this.
 

petros

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Oh that makes sense, uhuh. :rolleyes:

Yeah, you know it all. Right.

Whatever. Again, this is all irrelevant to the topic.
Click here: Winfield, BC - Google Maps
This used to be a Japanese veggie garden, nice old couple named the Kobayashis. In ten years they went from having green peppers the size of your noggin to absolutely nothing because of salination from irrigation.

But hey, WTF do I know about the OK and the dead farms that were sold off to be paved over because they were now worthless?
 

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So, you advocate Canada throwing out legally binding agreements that were made in good faith. I also gather that you don't think there should be any ramifications for doing this.


You might want to read the actual agreement(s)... If taken by the strict words of the contracts made in good faith, the FNs may find that they have a steep road ahead of them.

An excerpt from Treaty 7:
"Further, Her Majesty agrees to supply each Head and Minor Chief, and each Stony Chief, for the use of their Bands, ten axes, five handsaws, five augers, one grindstone, and the necessary files and whetstones."

Copy of Treaty and Supplementary Treaty No. 7 between Her Majesty the Queen and the Blackfeet and Other Indian Tribes, at the Blackfoot Crossing of Bow River and Fort Macleod
 

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So, you advocate Canada throwing out legally binding agreements that were made in good faith. I also gather that you don't think there should be any ramifications for doing this.

Legally binding on who?

I cannot, under the law, be forced to be accountable for a contract I was not a party to. Since I, nor Canada as it exists today, were a party to the treaties we are not accountable.

Now if you want to change that law then I am making a contract where you have to pay all my taxes and my mortgages and give me a stipend for living expenses in perpetuity and there won't be a damn thing you can do about it.

The real crux of the matter here Gh is that we (taxpaying Canadians) are being forced to foot the bill for deals we never agreed to, and couldn't have agreed to, because we were not alive when they were made. I for one think that is ludicrous. If the indians want to preserve their culture well more power to them but not on my dime. Other than that they should get the EXACT SAME benefits and advantages and responsibilities that EVERY Canadian has, no more, no less.
 

petros

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You might want to read the actual agreement(s)... If taken by the strict words of the contracts made in good faith, the FNs may find that they have a steep road ahead of them.

An excerpt from Treaty 7:
"Further, Her Majesty agrees to supply each Head and Minor Chief, and each Stony Chief, for the use of their Bands, ten axes, five handsaws, five augers, one grindstone, and the necessary files and whetstones."

Copy of Treaty and Supplementary Treaty No. 7 between Her Majesty the Queen and the Blackfeet and Other Indian Tribes, at the Blackfoot Crossing of Bow River and Fort Macleod
Throw in a couple real demons....HBC and CPR and see what you come up with. Why isn't anybody protesting at HBC or CPR's H.O.? Who wrote off their debts the Natives?
 

PoliticalNick

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The Federal gvt has the power to sign contracts on behalf of the nation

They were signed by the Crown, not the present Canadian Federal Govt. When we booted the british monarchy as our rulers in 1982 all those 'contracts' became void.

You are also aware I hope of the 99 year rule regarding contracts.

Of course if we had just followed the US a few hundred years ago and eradicated the indians we would have saved trillions and not be having this discussion. Bad decisions made all round it would seem.
 

petros

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They were signed by the Crown, not the present Canadian Federal Govt. When we booted the british monarchy as our rulers in 1982 all those 'contracts' became void.

Of course if we had just followed the US a few hundred years ago and eradicated the indians we would have saved trillions and not be having this discussion. Bad decisions made all round it would seem.
They were Grandfathered.
 

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They were signed by the Crown, not the present Canadian Federal Govt. When we booted the british monarchy as our rulers in 1982 all those 'contracts' became void.

Possibly, although I think that would be a tough argument to make... Look at it this way, if you bought a company (Canada is a corporation), you generally take ownership of all of the assets and liabilities.

I'd wager that this would be the circumstance here
 

gerryh

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They were signed by the Crown, not the present Canadian Federal Govt. When we booted the british monarchy as our rulers in 1982 all those 'contracts' became void.

You are also aware I hope of the 99 year rule regarding contracts.

Of course if we had just followed the US a few hundred years ago and eradicated the indians we would have saved trillions and not be having this discussion. Bad decisions made all round it would seem.

The "crown" still signs off on all laws made by our "government ". We have a constitutional monarchy in Canada.

I see you advocate genocide. Nice to know.
 

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Possibly, although I think that would be a tough argument to make... Look at it this way, if you bought a company (Canada is a corporation), you generally take ownership of all of the assets and liabilities.

I'd wager that this would be the circumstance here

Why do you think the indians are so adamant about having the GG be part of any meetings and dealings? They know their deals are with the British Crown and the Dominion of Canada. Since one of those no longer exists they have to try to bring in the other to uphold those deals. Well let the Crown pay as far as I am concerned because I myself am sick of paying. I'd rather go to war with the natives than continue this malarky for another 10 generations or more.
 

gerryh

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Why do you think the indians are so adamant about having the GG be part of any meetings and dealings? They know their deals are with the British Crown and the Dominion of Canada. Since one of those no longer exists they have to try to bring in the other to uphold those deals. Well let the Crown pay as far as \i am concerned because I myself am sick of paying. I'd rather go to war with the natives than continue this malarky for another 10 generations or more.



Buy out the treaties.
 

PoliticalNick

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I see you advocate genocide. Nice to know.

Not at all, but it would have made the world of difference. I advocate equality as Canadians. That means you are a Canadian with all the same rights and obligations as any other or go form your own country somewhere and stop demanding Canada owes you a living.

Buy out the treaties.

OK. I offer $10 for your worthless contract. If you don't like my offer you can f*ck-off.