Ideas to prevent dependence on the government in the first place?

White_Unifier

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In another thread, we talked about a universal basic income to help those who are already dependent on the government. But what about those who are presently self-sufficient but at risk of becoming dependent on the government? For example, a person earns a reasonable income and has significant savings fora rainy day, but a recent traumatic experience has driven him to an addiction of some kind. Consequently, while he might still be managing to keep his job, and while his spending does not exceed his savings by much, his savings are still being slowly depleted to feed his addiction as he life slowly unwinds.

In such a situation, while mental-health services could be of help, I think more personal control over one's finances could help too. Imagine the following law:

1. All online businesses in Canada that accept credit cards must accept online interac too so as to eliminate the need for credit cards for those who might not want one for any reason.

2. All banks and credit unions that issue a debit card account must program the account to allow the account holder to program it online to block his card during specified hours and minutes of the day, days of the week, and days of the year according to the local time indicated through his data connection or Wi-Fi etc. and to limit the daily cash amount he can extract, but to disallow him to remove the obstacles that he himself would have imposed on himself except at a branch during its open hours with a bank teller.

3. All mobile-device manufacturers would be required to pre-install control apps like Mobicip or Screentime on all mobile phones that they sell in Canada. While the buyer would be free to uninstall it, at least it would ensure that he's aware of it and so could decide for himself whether it could help him or not.

4. Government departments could collaborate to avoid causing a traumatic event that could affect a Canadian national. For example, if a person is accused of an immigration violation and there is reason to believe that removing the person from the country could traumatize a Canadian national or otherwise negatively impact his mental health and consequently his ability to remain financially self-sufficient, then the accused could opt to raise the burden of proof to presumed innocent until proved guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but with the caveat that by making that choice, the person can only gain the right to work, study, and do business in Canada visa-free but cannot apply for permanent residency for at least one year and maybe even five. This could prevent the Canadian national from losing his job due to his inability to carry out his duties under severe stress or turn to self-harming behaviours, etc.

These are just some ideas on how to reduce the probability that people who are self-sufficient become dependent later.
 

White_Unifier

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People need to learn to be responsible for their own actions.

For addicts and those suffering other mental-health problems, that might be more difficult. As a taxpayer, I'd rather help them to remain on their feet and keep their lives together now than help them get back on their feet and rebuild their lives later.

As far ad I can tell, those are the two politically sellable options, the first imposing a lighter burden on the taxpayer though.

Also, how far do we go with your logic? Should we legalize heroin and allow its free advertisement everywhere for example?

Also, if people need to learn, who will teach them? Some need training wheels or they'll never learn to ride a bike otherwise.
 

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Canada should start handing out free land to people again. As long s they work it.
 

White_Unifier

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Canada should start handing out free land to people again. As long s they work it.

How about scrapping agricultural protectionism first?

Also, would the new owners know what to do with the land? Do they own a car? Just questions.
 

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For addicts and those suffering other mental-health problems, that might be more difficult. As a taxpayer, I'd rather help them to remain on their feet and keep their lives together now than help them get back on their feet and rebuild their lives later.

As far ad I can tell, those are the two politically sellable options, the first imposing a lighter burden on the taxpayer though.

Also, how far do we go with your logic? Should we legalize heroin and allow its free advertisement everywhere for example?

Also, if people need to learn, who will teach them? Some need training wheels or they'll never learn to ride a bike otherwise.

I'm in favor of legalization with the profits going to treatment centers and education.
 

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In another thread, we talked about a universal basic income to help those who are already dependent on the government. But what about those who are presently self-sufficient but at risk of becoming dependent on the government? For example, a person earns a reasonable income and has significant savings fora rainy day, but a recent traumatic experience has driven him to an addiction of some kind. Consequently, while he might still be managing to keep his job, and while his spending does not exceed his savings by much, his savings are still being slowly depleted to feed his addiction as he life slowly unwinds.

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While I'm sympathetic to your downfall ( I know Heroin is a lasting addiction even when clean for decades) but this post suggests becoming dependent on the government now, to not be dependent on the government in the future.

And what is this "agricultural protectionism " you speak of.....?
 

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A program where those hurtin' fer cash can drop in, work on community rehab, and walk away with cash money the same day.

No need for food banks, pan handling, and it would lower social service costs not to mention pride.

People who have invested labour into a community tend to take pride in a community instead of trashing it.
 

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These are just some ideas on how to reduce the probability that people who are self-sufficient become dependent later.
If freedom from control was the goal you are looking to change a puppet rather than the one pulling the puppet's strings. One will get real change and the other will be the same endless game we are (and have been) playing because that is what 'they' desire. If some new financial move is made in Ontario it will not be something that is an Ontario only move as every Province could implement the same move if they wished.
One should try and remember that the Government at the moment is a tax-payer funded entity and as such tax-payers should have a say so. Their orders still come from corporations and they get their orders from the World (Rothschild) Banks. That has been the rule since before North America was supposedly discovered.
Should the Banks set up an account when a person gets a birth certificate that could be used to make the deposits. At some point (say $250,000) that would be taxed back to the same bank that issued it. That also sets up the (false) practice that the 'Government" gives to all the people and tax-payers become a group that is changed so their legal right to criticize the Government for the way it spends 'their money'.
With each person getting their own debit card it sets it up for the schools take the portion involved with food back as the kids will eat at school and take a snack back home rather than parents getting money for the kids and it gets directed to whatever they desire. That also reduces the role of parents so home life is likely to from single dwelling to communal groups where whole blocks are 'the family'. It is designed to break the bonds that people naturally have for those they are with 24/7 who provide the necessities of life and the doorways to getting what you want out of life within the communal norms.
That in itself has some improvements over the current system where neglected kids end up being neglectful parents in a never ending chain of events. 'The Government' will seem to come to the rescue and all it is doing is loosening a grip that was never theirs to begin with. They also know that or it would not be something that has to always be done in secrecy.

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In another thread, we talked about a universal basic income to help those who are already dependent on the government. But what about those who are presently self-sufficient but at risk of becoming dependent on the government?
That suits the Government more than it does the tax-payer. Tax-payers should have the right to examine all the Government books to the extent groups called 'watch-dogs- are set up that tend to concentrate on illegal activities being brought to light and the criminals sent to jail. The Government would rather nobody in their group ever be sent to jail as they were 'just following orders' and that would stop at the leader of the country even though every public thought he had was put there by somebody working for the World Banks. That a crime is done for somebody else does not make it not a crime and if the leader escapes because he covered his tracks and only the fall-guy ever gets punished that does not mean the lessons should be forgotten as they will be pulling the same thing somewhere else

For example, a person earns a reasonable income and has significant savings fora rainy day, but a recent traumatic experience has driven him to an addiction of some kind. Consequently, while he might still be managing to keep his job, and while his spending does not exceed his savings by much, his savings are still being slowly depleted to feed his addiction as he life slowly unwinds.
. . . . let's say the World Banks set the economy 20 years ahead of a completion date and then during that 20 years things are manipulated in favor the completion. If they can do that for individuals then they can do that on a Global scale and make a monthly payment that would work out to what the person will earn over their lifetime. That would self adjust for location and price of 'good' but in theory the same people should be able to supply the same things. Hobby allowances should be included for the populations that will be alive but will not be having one of the few jobs that the Government will need as industry replaces human workers with robots and/or smart machines and appliances. Be wary of the ad that says a certain 'hook' has a masturbation mode.

In such a situation, while mental-health services could be of help, I think more personal control over one's finances could help too. Imagine the following law:
Left unsaid is making sure the health system is not part of the problem. The piece below was originally meant to cover how things worked prior to Noah's flood and fallen angels were at the top of the food-chain. Their quest was the extermination of humans and they came within 5 people of acquiring that goal but that is a different story as this one is about the methods they used to try and accomplish that. Things that would be covered by 'medicine; are part of the methods used to kill people without it being obvious what was going on.
Recent event gave me a reason to look into the way the Health system works in Canada and I can assure you that more time and money is spent on making people ill and killing certain groups of people than is spent on making sure people have as few sick days in their lives as possible.
The first step would seem to be to identify the enemy. What is going on is men are mimicking fallen angels. The group of men at the helm are the World Bankers, like it or not.They would love to see the Jerusalem UN come up with that and be able to implement it and then that version becomes the 'gift that keeps giving' as far as the PR goes and behind the scenes they are the puppet masters, nothing more, nothing less. Fallen angels were still immortal beings, God cut man's life off at 120 years. That is the scale of the difference.

Jude:1:16:
These are murmurers,
complainers,
walking after their own lusts;
and their mouth speaketh great swelling words,
having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

Article as is it originally appeared on the Bankindex.com web site on 21 June 2002:​
[SIZE=+1]THE SECRET COVENANT[/SIZE]. (Full version, rated R !)​
An illusion it will be, so large, so vast it will escape their perception.​
Those who will see it will be thought of as insane.​
We will create separate fronts to prevent them from seeing the connection between us.​
We will behave as if we are not connected to keep the illusion alive. Our goal will be accomplished one drop at a time so as to never bring suspicion upon ourselves. This will also prevent them from seeing the changes as they occur.​
We will always stand above the relative field of their experience for we know the secrets of the absolute.​
We will work together always and will remain bound by blood and secrecy. Death will come to he who speaks.​
We will keep their lifespan short and their minds weak while pretending to do the opposite.​
We will use our knowledge of science and technology in subtle ways so they will never see what is happening.​
We will use soft metals, aging accelerators and sedatives in food and water, also in the air.​
They will be blanketed by poisons everywhere they turn.​
The soft metals will cause them to lose their minds. We will promise to find a cure from our many fronts, yet we will feed them more poison.​
The poisons will be absorbed trough their skin and mouths, they will destroy their minds and reproductive systems.​
From all this, their children will be born dead, and we will conceal this information.​
The poisons will be hidden in everything that surrounds them, in what they drink, eat, breathe and wear.​
We must be ingenious in dispensing the poisons for they can see far.​
We will teach them that the poisons are good, with fun images and musical tones.​
Those they look up to will help. We will enlist them to push our poisons.​
They will see our products being used in film and will grow accustomed to them and will never know their true effect.​
When they give birth we will inject poisons into the blood of their children and convince them its for their help.​
We will start early on, when their minds are young, we will target their children with what children love most, sweet things.​
When their teeth decay we will fill them with metals that will kill their mind and steal their future.​
When their ability to learn has been affected, we will create medicine that will make them sicker and cause other diseases for which we will create yet more medicine.​
We will render them docile and weak before us by our power.​
They will grow depressed, slow and obese, and when they come to us for help, we will give them more poison.​
We will focus their attention toward money and material goods so they many never connect with their inner self. We will distract them with fornication, external pleasures and games so they may never be one with the oneness of it all.​
Their minds will belong to us and they will do as we say. If they refuse we shall find ways to implement mind-altering technology into their lives. We will use fear as our weapon.​
We will establish their governments and establish opposites within. We will own both sides.​
We will always hide our objective but carry out our plan.​
They will perform the labor for us and we shall prosper from their toil.​
Our families will never mix with theirs. Our blood must be pure always, for it is the way.​
We will make them kill each other when it suits us.​
We will keep them separated from the oneness by dogma and religion.​
We will control all aspects of their lives and tell them what to think and how.​
We will guide them kindly and gently letting them think they are guiding themselves.​
We will foment animosity between them through our factions.​
When a light shall shine among them, we shall extinguish it by ridicule, or death, whichever suits us best.​
We will make them rip each other's hearts apart and kill their own children.​
We will accomplish this by using hate as our ally, anger as our friend.​
The hate will blind them totally, and never shall they see that from their conflicts we emerge as their rulers. They will be busy killing each other.​
They will bathe in their own blood and kill their neighbors for as long as we see fit.​
We will benefit greatly from this, for they will not see us, for they cannot see us.​
We will continue to prosper from their wars and their deaths.​
We shall repeat this over and over until our ultimate goal is accomplished.​
We will continue to make them live in fear and anger though images and sounds.​
We will use all the tools we have to accomplish this.​
The tools will be provided by their labor.​
We will make them hate themselves and their neighbors.​
We will always hide the divine truth from them, that we are all one. This they must never know!​
They must never know that color is an illusion, they must always think they are not equal.​
Drop by drop, drop by drop we will advance our goal.​
We will take over their land, resources and wealth to exercise total control over them.​
We will deceive them into accepting laws that will steal the little freedom they will have.​
We will establish a money system that will imprison them forever, keeping them and their children in debt.​
When they shall ban together, we shall accuse them of crimes and present a different story to the world for we shall own all the media.​
We will use our media to control the flow of information and their sentiment in our favor.​
When they shall rise up against us we will crush them like insects, for they are less than that.​
They will be helpless to do anything for they will have no weapons.​
We will recruit some of their own to carry out our plans, we will promise them eternal life, but eternal life they will never have for they are not of us.​
The recruits will be called "initiates" and will be indoctrinated to believe false rites of passage to higher realms. Members of these groups will think they are one with us never knowing the truth. They must never learn this truth for they will turn against us.​
For their work they will be rewarded with earthly things and great titles, but never will they become immortal and join us, never will they receive the light and travel the stars.​
They will never reach the higher realms, for the killing of their own kind will prevent passage to the realm of enlightenment. This they will never know.​
The truth will be hidden in their face, so close they will not be able to focus on it until its too late.​
Oh yes, so grand the illusion of freedom will be, that they will never know they are our slaves.​
When all is in place, the reality we will have created for them will own them. This reality will be their prison. They will live in self-delusion.​
When our goal is accomplished a new era of domination will begin.​
Their minds will be bound by their beliefs, the beliefs we have established from time immemorial.​
But if they ever find out they are our equal, we shall perish then. THIS THEY MUST NEVER KNOW.​
If they ever find out that together they can vanquish us, they will take action.​
They must never, ever find out what we have done, for if they do, we shall have no place to run, for it will be easy to see who we are once the veil has fallen. Our actions will have revealed who we are and they will hunt us down and no person shall give us shelter.​
This is the secret covenant by which we shall live the rest of our present and future lives, for this reality will transcend many generations and life spans.​
This covenant is sealed by blood, our blood. We, the ones who from heaven to earth came.​
This covenant must NEVER, EVER be known to exist. It must NEVER, EVER be written or spoken of for if it is, the consciousness it will spawn will release the fury of the PRIME CREATOR upon us and we shall be cast to the depths from whence we came and remain there until the end time of infinity itself.
The Bankindex editorial staff thanks you for all your e-mails regarding this piece, but we do NOT know who he or she is. The piece came in through one of our forms and the Author left an unusable e-mail address. Thank you.

Written by UNKNOWN Author has submitted second version, Posted 6/21/2002

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How about scrapping agricultural protectionism first?

Also, would the new owners know what to do with the land? Do they own a car? Just questions.

Who cares. Start handing out land and by the first year if nothing significant has happened, give it to someone else
 

tay

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It's too much. There is no way in Hell flunkies and gimps have the cajones to homestead.
There's no effin way I'm living without an indoor toilet and super soft toilet paper.........
 

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1. All online businesses in Canada that accept credit cards must accept online interac too so as to eliminate the need for credit cards for those who might not want one for any reason.
Businesses don't care in what form the money comes, it is in the interest of the banks to get as much control as possible and fewer 'robberies' that they aren't behind.. Western Union used to be the way to send cash, now it is a e-transfer, both tracked by banks but not by Governments. They can't both be masters and still get along with each others.

2. All banks and credit unions that issue a debit card account must program the account to allow the account holder to program it online to block his card during specified hours and minutes of the day, days of the week, and days of the year according to the local time indicated through his data connection or Wi-Fi etc. and to limit the daily cash amount he can extract, but to disallow him to remove the obstacles that he himself would have imposed on himself except at a branch during its open hours with a bank teller.
Huh? Online shopping was done with VISA cards from 7/11 and they were there for on-line purchases and it made a lot of money for the banks, too much as it started to draw attention so the changed it. Debit cards works real-time and there may or may not have an overdraft attached to it. The smaller per use fee still makes more money as more transactions take place. E-transfers used to be $5 which was 1/2 the price of Western Union, now it is $1 which seems like a deal until it is found it cannot be added to your \bill list' as it would then be free. Businesses never see that end and some resent the $0.50 fee they had to pay on top of having to own the machine the card needs. (you would think tills would have that built in by now) I'm also going to assume the banks get a copy of the till while the company head does not, just so you know who runs the company. All of the advances should make banking free to the ones that use it the least yet the fees they pay are free to the customers who use the banks the most. That it is hidden is a sign that the ones doing it know it is criminal or immoral or both.
 

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A wild piece of land is opportunity. Shit load of work for it though.
A global income would take that into account and the income would try and be based how much a person will make in a lifetime based in the formula that allowed for company town to now how much material the town would go through in a given month was well know. That the public thought the two grocery stores were in competition is part of a different agenda. Using that same formula that says a person will pick up where his father left off would mean the land is owned by the bank when he dies and it buys it from him over a lifetime by having it part of the monthly income he gets from the UN. The UN already has the data on anybody in the world with something equal to a 'birth certificate', here is how it is applied in the US.

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His summation is correct, 'We need to wake up.'
 

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While I'm sympathetic to your downfall ( I know Heroin is a lasting addiction even when clean for decades) but this post suggests becoming dependent on the government now, to not be dependent on the government in the future.

And what is this "agricultural protectionism " you speak of.....?

Where did I say I consumed heroin?

To some degree, yes, I'm suggesting the government help people to not fall. Let's face it, it's a lot less expensive to help a person who's struggling to stay on his feet than to help him get back on his feet once he's fallen. At least he still has a job and finances, and the only help he might need is to manage these finances. To give him better tools to better control his spending could save the taxpayer much hardship down the road. Once he loses his jobs, he could also lose a reference if he's fired. He might also have difficulty finding new employment which then means spending more money on skills training etc. along with the cost of time, money and paper needed to hand out resumes, clean his suit, attend job interviews, etc. all with no guarantee.

So yes, as a taxpayer, I'd rather help him stay on his feet than help him back up after he falls.

As for agricultural protectionism, I was referring to the post above about giving people land. Presumably this would be in the country. We already overproduce agricultural products, so where's the efficiency to be gained in overproducing even more?

I'm in favor of legalization with the profits going to treatment centers and education.

We could consider that; but where would be the harm in requiring banks to set up their clients' online accounts to allow a client to program his account to block or limit his card access during certain times of the day, etc.?

If we legalize heroin for example (with strict controls of course), then it also becomes more easily accessible. With that in mind, would we not want to give an addict more tools to better control his finances during the transition period?

I'm not talking here of the government or the bank telling him what to do with his money but rather to empower him to limit his own access to his card according to his own wishes.
 

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This was the reason for a reply, the rest is to show that this wasn't the only part that stood out.

3. All mobile-device manufacturers would be required to pre-install control apps like Mobicip or Screentime on all mobile phones that they sell in Canada. While the buyer would be free to uninstall it, at least it would ensure that he's aware of it and so could decide for himself whether it could help him or not.
When computers were first introduced the 'owner' did the upkeep by we were lazy and slacked off so the companies found a way to do it for us and that came with some benefits for them alone.

In about 1973 Intel opened a plant in Israel that produced cpu's and any motherboard that uses that chip does what the cpu tells it to do. In about 1974 a false rumor was published about motherboards that used a cpu from China had a backdoor built so all Government and Military computers were at risk of hacking. All computers in said places were replaced by computers using Intel cpu's that were produced in Israel which are now know to have the very back-doors that the Chinese chips, which are now known to not have any back-doors in them.
When you have that level of control all the other stuff is for show. Notice that no matter how much effort goes into 'security' the 'pirates' are always two steps ahead on the same path? You only need to get swatted by a few branches to have it sink in that you are not the first in line on the path being followed.

4. Government departments could collaborate to avoid causing a traumatic event that could affect a Canadian national. For example, if a person is accused of an immigration violation and there is reason to believe that removing the person from the country could traumatize a Canadian national or otherwise negatively impact his mental health and consequently his ability to remain financially self-sufficient, then the accused could opt to raise the burden of proof to presumed innocent until proved guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but with the caveat that by making that choice, the person can only gain the right to work, study, and do business in Canada visa-free but cannot apply for permanent residency for at least one year and maybe even five. This could prevent the Canadian national from losing his job due to his inability to carry out his duties under severe stress or turn to self-harming behaviours, etc.
Move him (and his family if he has one0 to a smaller community and the size of the community would depend on the infraction. We have lots of tundra so there is lots of room for the shitheads that still give them sanctuary in Canada, just not in the modern cities. That doesn't mean sniffing gas should replace crack as the local addiction. Mostly Native inhabited communities might be abandoned and the people brought to town and their \old place' given to the 'old guard' that is too old to change but they still need a pasture where their position can't be used to lead the younger ones astray and keep the old hatreds alive.
If the refugees spend two years in a social setting known as 'the Jungle' then they need a place to show what life is supposed to ne like in a 'Canadian' city and so far that seems to be a mirror of what was left behind. In the case of Syria and Iraq their migration is recent enough that what they are being taught here should lead to them being able to run businesses back home as they could relocate back there once the shooting stops and the education they learned in Canada is used to run a business in Syria rather than in Canada. As such learning English might be way down on the list. Using an Arab/English app on your smart phone might be all that is needed when seeing a Doctor or Lawyer in Canada and Arab is the language all their customers would use so English would be of no value. It could be learned as a 2nd language should one wish to do so.