I would rather live my life as if there is a God

[Summer]

RE: I would rather live m

Jay, my problem is that it's totally disrespectful of ANYONE's faith for someone to attempt to tell others "you believe this" and "you believe that" no matter what they say.

That's the whole problem here. I have no problem with discussing religion - in fact, I find it quite fascinating - but it has to be done respectfully. That hasn't been happening here.

 

[iamcanadian]

Religion and Politics are the two most discussed subjects of mankind. They are interwoven. In fact I have a view that many people follow political parties RELIGIOUSLY. Substituting ideology for religions and gods to satify the need to believe in something.

Where do you see harm in these discussions?

Where have I imposed any view on any one. I am open minded and looking for discorse to convince or be myself convinced by others. It's called sharing opinions and views. I have not been disrespectuful to anyone as far as I am aware, on the contrary in fact, and I have always turned the other cheek.

 

[Summer]

RE: I would rather live m

IAC, the harm is in the way you are going about it. You are not respecting the beliefs of others; rather you are attempting to impose your beliefs on them. Please stop telling people that they are Christians when they are not, and that all their ideas come from your God when they don't and this discussion will be permitted to continue on a better footing.

This is the last warning you will receive.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: I would rather live m

Jay, my problem is that it's totally disrespectful of ANYONE's faith for someone to attempt to tell others "you believe this" and "you believe that" no matter what they say.

That's the whole problem here. I have no problem with discussing religion - in fact, I find it quite fascinating - but it has to be done respectfully. That hasn't been happening here.

no it isn't anymore. Some good stuff has been stated by some smart /open minded members.......but there is a tendancy for one poster to keep circulating the same stuff and preaching to others about who and what they are or should be. THAT IS OUT OF line. Discussing different concepts ,ideologies , for what they are is one thing. But coming here with an agenda is something else and not acceptable.......(IMHO)

Amazed that this has gone on THIS long...;-)


examine the title of the thread. It is a PERSONAL Statement ......that someone felt compelled to make ......perhaps for their own agenda?????

 

[iamcanadian]

I was not aware that calling someone a Christian was an insult.

The reference to Christian was made in the context of those people being "against Capital Punishment", which is a view first invented by the Christians.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: I would rather live m

What can I say? I'm in a patient mood lately....... 'tis the season and all that.

:wink:

............and egg nog with rum is just an arm's length away....;-)

So are we gonna see ya in Canada this coming year???

(t'wood be nice..)

 

[iamcanadian]

No actually the opening statement was something circulating in email threads across the internet and when I received it I though it would start some good debates. Which I believe it did. Better than watching Dr. Phil on TV.

 

[Summer]

Re: RE: I would rather live my life as if there is a God

I was not aware that calling someone a Christian was an insult.

The reference to Christian was made in the context of those people being "against Capital Punishment", which is a view first invented by the Christians.

Calling someone a member of a religion that they are NOT a member of - whatever religion it is - does qualify as an insult, especially when the person(s) in question have asked you not to call them that.

And no, the view of being against capital punishment was not first invented by Christians, nor is it exclusive to Christians today.

So, are you planning to continue debating a moderator regarding her decisions AS a mod (NOT a good idea), or are you prepared to back off and discuss the topic of this thread with some respect for others? The choice is yours, but I need your answer.

 

[Summer]

RE: I would rather live m

OB, I'll at least be visiting periodically. The move is a bit farther off than that, though. *shrug*

 

[iamcanadian]

I appologise for any offense taken with my comments and I fully respect the wishes of the moderator.

 

[iamcanadian]

Back to the thread:

People who are against Capital Punishement are in fact following in the Christian faith.

The Judeo-Muslim faiths are more for "eye for an eye", since they have stonings and beheadings as part of permitted punishement in their religious beliefs.

The way to deal with bad and/or evil things in modern times is always founded on some earlier religious practice or theory.

 

[Summer]

Re: RE: I would rather live my life as if there is a God

Back to the thread:
People who are against Capital Punishement are in fact following in the Christian faith.

They are simply in agreement with Christians on this particular issue.

The Judeo-Muslim faiths are more for "eye for an eye", since they have stonings and beheadings as part of permitted punishement in their religious beliefs.

Traditionally, yes, though I know of no modern Jews who condone such things.

The way to deal with bad and/or evil things in modern times is always founded on some earlier religious practice or theory.

What evidence do you have to back this up? Because as far as I'm concerned, it's a baseless opinion not rooted in fact.

 

[the caracal kid]

"The way to deal with bad and/or evil things in modern times is always founded on some earlier religious practice or theory."

you really do not want to open that can of worms.

"People who are against Capital Punishement are in fact following in the Christian faith."

ever hear of the concept of different paths leading to the same location?

 

[Summer]

RE: I would rather live m

Exactly, Kid!

 

[iamcanadian]

I dissagree that people would have come up with the turn the other cheek theory on their own.

People naturally want to punch someone back or pull someone's hair. This is the natural thing most people would do without thinking twice.

The idea came from Christianity. No other culture had this kind of practice and many in modern times still don't follow this way of thinking.

It is a mater of faith on which way is better. Countries that have corporal and capital punishement tend to have much lower crime generally.

 

[the caracal kid]

Here is a surprise for you IAC, i was naturally a pacifist before i studied any religions.

Here is another surprise for you IAC, christianity stole everything it offers from other belief structures and philosophies. So to apply your "nobody comes up with anything on their own" stance, christianity is nothing but plagiarism. Now this IS MY OPINION based on the order of history and how i learned things.

Please do not try to demean my personal philosophies and history by trying to claim christianity has anything to do with my views.

I apologize in adavnce if this sounded harsh, but i get pissed when christians make claims that "i am following their god even if i don't realize it".

 

[iamcanadian]

Who said I was a christian?

So when you were a kid and someone came up and pushed you, you did not push them back?

If so, you probably did not because you were afraid, and not because you felt the urge to turn away in benevolence of your aggressor.

If this is your attitude today as an adult, then you must have acquired it from something learned.

What do you attribute your personal disdain for seeing people who hurt you or your loved-one's, killed.

That you would be happy with them being in prison and eventually released is not a natural reaction without something else to compel you.

Another thing I find fascinating is that you said that it's ok to kill someone in self-defence or in defence of a loved one, but then after they did their evil deed, you would not want to kill them. The difference is only a matter of when.

 

[the caracal kid]

i never said it was ok to kill anybody.

i have never used physical force on a human. now consider that my parents put me through training on how to defend myself and even kill if necessary so i assure you that later in life it has never been out of fear. I can restrain somebody if necessary, but would not use more force than absolutely necessary.

What makes you think i show distain for seeing people i know hurt? how is it you think you know so much and yet demonstrate you know so little?

 

[Summer]

Re: RE: I would rather live my life as if there is a God

I dissagree that people would have come up with the turn the other cheek theory on their own.

People naturally want to punch someone back or pull someone's hair. This is the natural thing most people would do without thinking twice.

The idea came from Christianity. No other culture had this kind of practice and many in modern times still don't follow this way of thinking.

IAC, have you ever heard of the Buddha?

 

[Summer]

Re: RE: I would rather live my life as if there is a God

Who said I was a christian?

Lucky guess based upon your posts.

So when you were a kid and someone came up and pushed you, you did not push them back?

If so, you probably did not because you were afraid, and not because you felt the urge to turn away in benevolence of your aggressor.

My mother taught me that it wasn't going to solve anything to get involved in a fight, and that it was smarter just to ignore bullies unless there was no other option.

If this is your attitude today as an adult, then you must have acquired it from something learned.

Yes, I learned it from my mother. Does that make her a goddess?

What do you attribute your personal disdain for seeing people who hurt you or your loved-one's, killed.

Maybe a desire to not want to dish out eyes for eyes.

That you would be happy with them being in prison and eventually released is not a natural reaction without something else to compel you.

Life in prison means LIFE. No hope of parole or release. THAT is the way it ought to be.

Another thing I find fascinating is that you said that it's ok to kill someone in self-defence or in defence of a loved one, but then after they did their evil deed, you would not want to kill them. The difference is only a matter of when.

The difference, genius, is that if you kill in self-defense or the defense of your loved ones, you may well PREVENT their death. After the fact it is just visiting more death upon death. What is the point in that?