There's no good evidence capital punishment is a deterrent. The only justification for it is to rid society of dangerous people. Chlorinating the gene pool...
I would rather live my life as if there is a God
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not only is capital punishment ineffectual, but one must seriously question the "ethics" of a society that so freely condones death as punishment. Only when humans are infallible in their determinations can we really allow for a punishment that can not be corrected if an error is made in the system.
It is hypocritical to not follow a religion and then be against capital punishement.
If there is no religious reason to not kill people to protect society then there is no reason not to. We should then have capital punishment for many crimes especially pervasive ones and not just murder.
We put dogs to sleep simply because there are too many. We have too many people on the plannet also; so why not speed them to an earlier death, since everyone dies anyway, and the rest of society can be better off without them?
If there is no religious reason to not kill people to protect society then there is no reason not to. We should then have capital punishment for many crimes especially pervasive ones and not just murder.
We put dogs to sleep simply because there are too many. We have too many people on the plannet also; so why not speed them to an earlier death, since everyone dies anyway, and the rest of society can be better off without them?
incorrect, we do not need a religious reason to not kill people.
so society is better off? well of course then. we would not want to interefere with you creating your own utopia for the mere price of a few lives. Funny how people will so quickly justify killing each other.
so society is better off? well of course then. we would not want to interefere with you creating your own utopia for the mere price of a few lives. Funny how people will so quickly justify killing each other.
It is logocal to sacrifice the needs of the few for the benefit of the many.
Why should a whole society suffer for one or two bad apples we can simply put to sleep with an injection like we would to a cat or dog?
Please try arguing against this without using a religious reason. It seams to me that eliminating capital punishment is a remnant of the Religious influences which many here hold in disdain.
Why should a whole society suffer for one or two bad apples we can simply put to sleep with an injection like we would to a cat or dog?
Please try arguing against this without using a religious reason. It seams to me that eliminating capital punishment is a remnant of the Religious influences which many here hold in disdain.
simple. people who are innocent are found guilty. i would rather one guilty person go free than one innocent person be put to death. this is not from any religious perspective. it is from the reality that erros occur in the system.
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IAC ...then would not it be possible that you would be perceived as evil by people sitting on death row, by the people that oppose capital punishment? It all depends on what side of the fence your sitting on.
iamcanadian said:
IAC ...then would not it be possible that you would be perceived as evil by people sitting on death row, by the people that oppose capital punishment? It all depends on what side of the fence your sitting on.
Car companies design into cars an acceptable level of deaths due to failure of products in order to keep the cost of building cars afordable.
So why should a few innocent deaths matter if the majority will be properly punished for the crimes they commit?
We allow an acceptable number of death by accidents when it means products would cost more otherwise. So why not have a death penalty for Insurance fraud, so that the cost on insurance will be lower for everyone?
So why should a few innocent deaths matter if the majority will be properly punished for the crimes they commit?
We allow an acceptable number of death by accidents when it means products would cost more otherwise. So why not have a death penalty for Insurance fraud, so that the cost on insurance will be lower for everyone?
"acceptable risk"... there is a big difference between acceptable risk and imposing a death penalty.
Why would killing one in one thousand criminals who may not be guilty be such a big deal, if some kid can die by accident to keep the cost of buying your car lower?
I don't see much of a difference if there are no religious reasons.
I don't see much of a difference if there are no religious reasons.
you can not build a car that guarentees one will not die in a crash, and you can not guarentee that person you sentence to death is guilty.
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You have to be kidding, as if you are not.......there is a position on the bush team which relishes this kind of attitude. .....and it exists in Texas.
sheesh........wouldn't want you running the country .....heck . wouldn't want ya running the neighborhood paper route.
scary.
Your are being hypocritical if you don't believe in religion and have such a high regard for human life.
When there is a war, it is acceptable kill innocent people to get at the enemy, so why is a war on crime any different?
When there is a war, it is acceptable kill innocent people to get at the enemy, so why is a war on crime any different?
you are jumping all over the place. i for one do not see it as acceptable to kill innocent people in war. killing is killing.
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absolutely.........and even if they are so called "guilty"......KILLING is still KILLING ........and KILLING is BARBARIC. Criminals, and barbarians KILL. Civlized and law abiding people do NOT kill.
and let's not go into the "self defense" line.....which americans love so much to justify having and using guns. it is still murder /killing. and no amount of justification, rationalization or legal speak will change that.
the caracal kid said:
absolutely.........and even if they are so called "guilty"......KILLING is still KILLING ........and KILLING is BARBARIC. Criminals, and barbarians KILL. Civlized and law abiding people do NOT kill.
and let's not go into the "self defense" line.....which americans love so much to justify having and using guns. it is still murder /killing. and no amount of justification, rationalization or legal speak will change that.
sez who??? What does one have to do with the other. dang it , I have seen religious zealots demostrate such hypocracy it stinks to hi "heaven'. Amazing number of RELIGIOUS CHRISTIANS continue to justify WARS , killing under the guise of some shagging lie......but as long as they can 'justify" /rationalize it to themselves ......they are content with their double standards.
So someone who sets a bomb off in a crowded shopping mall during christmas rush just for fun should not be killed.
Why not?
What stops another deranged individual from doing the same if the worst that can happen is they live in a prison?
If there is no religious reason, what reason is there to keep that person alive?
Why not?
What stops another deranged individual from doing the same if the worst that can happen is they live in a prison?
If there is no religious reason, what reason is there to keep that person alive?