I would rather live my life as if there is a God

[iamcanadian]

Re: RE: I would rather live my life as if there is a God

For that matter, how are you even defining "evil" as different from the merely "bad"?

Someone like a Bernardo, can't be called bad. It must be called Evil.

Same goes for other people who do harm for pleasure.

Being bad, means stealing for a living or being unethical etc., but being Evil is something else beyond normal comprehension. So you need someway to deal with it spriritualy if you are a victim of it.

 

[the caracal kid]

"beyond normal comprehension"? exactly how low do you think the average comprehension skills are? it is very easy to "deal" with things without the application of terms like "evil", which are just a scapegoat mechanism. It is like saying "rather than try to understand, to find answers (even if the answers are questions), i would rather stick my head in the sand and rely on false absolutes".

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: I would rather live my life as if there is a God

For that matter, how are you even defining "evil" as different from the merely "bad"?

Someone like a Bernardo, can't be called bad. It must be called Evil.

Same goes for other people who do harm for pleasure.

Being bad, means stealing for a living or being unethical etc., but being Evil is something else beyond normal comprehension. So you need someway to deal with it spriritualy if you are a victim of it.

Yes...well there are thousands upon thousands of Catholic priests that you've so elloquently classified as EVIL, but unless they are caught, they remain reverend brothers doing Christs good work...and even then the church goes to great lengths to cover up the crimes of the clergy...blah!

Fat load of good religion did them eh?

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Just a question upon this track though...

Who would be more EVIL I wonder, the priest that punks the unwitting alterboy in the ass, or the ass that covers it all up in the name of Christ and his ministry?

 

[iamcanadian]

You are missing the point of what evil is.

Harming people for the joy of seing people harmed is something different. This kind of badness comes from having power over other people and the lack of personal ethics and morals that is needed to hold that power.

Quite a few people around get to that state because they keep getting away with smaller things.

Sort of like drug addiction. You do a little and get a high from it, then you need to do more to get the same high or from the desire a higher high.

Corruption is also something like it born from taking a foot with every inch you get away with. Eventually you feel like a god and hurt peple just because you can for fun.

It has been scientifically proven with normal people given the oportunity to victimise people, they will do it for just for pleasure and without any reason.

 

[zenfisher]

Re: RE: I would rather live my life as if there is a God

You are missing the point of what evil is.


It has been scientifically proven with normal people given the oportunity to victimise people, they will do it for just for pleasure and without any reason.

I'd like to see that scientific study.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Fat load of good religion did them eh?

religion ....or being "religious" is not a "cure" or treatment for serious personality disorders. (or dysfunctional personalities) Sometimes "religion " is used to try to "cure" these personality defects........but it don't work. Psychiatric treatment is nec........long term most likely.

"evil" is a construct provided by "religion". Psychology does not allow just judgemental terms.......as there are psychological explanations for most *all behaviors and to brand them "evil" is not doing anyone any good. In fact it inflames the situation. But then that is what most "religions" do. They are filled with emotional bias, prejudice, judgment and "loftier than thou" attitudes which totally negate the original premise of these "religious" persuasions....


would propose that basic psychology be part of the standard *mandatory* curriculum in high schools now. (if they are not).... as understanding human nature........helps to understand ourselves and much of what happens around us.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: I would rather live my life as if there is a God

You are missing the point of what evil is.


It has been scientifically proven with normal people given the oportunity to victimise people, they will do it for just for pleasure and without any reason.

I'd like to see that scientific study.

not so. It CAN happen when people ("normal" are desensitized as they are in military training. We have seen the kind of sadistic conduct by the military and the pleasure they derived from same............ they have been dehumanized.....and have no 'normal" human feelings left. In fact their conduct is ABNORMAL but it has been conditioned to be that way in order to do the atrocities they do. 'normal" people do not kill......Normal people do not torture...

........."normal" people do NOT LIE in order to start a war and kill thousands....

does anyone thing that killing thousands of jews in concentration camps is "normal" conduct...........and yet it has happened. Why .?? because of a pschopathic /manic depressive leader with convincing /persuasion skills and a pliable military that fell for it.

 

[iamcanadian]

It is not limited to military situations. Prison guards and other people give absolute power over others tend to naturally get this way if there are no checks and balances and oversight.

Many of our senior bureucrats get like this. Has anyone here held a public job and been victim of superiors?

Any time people are given absolute power they become corrupted by it. Eventually everyone will become evil from it if given the oportunity unchecked.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

well......it is no secret that mankind has not evolved very far ...........yet. It is a mighty slow process....and we are going to have to be mighty lucky to continue to evolve given the retards that are running this planet.

 

[no1important]

RE: I would rather live m

I think the way we are going the human race and the planet will be doomed within 200 years tops.

 

[Hard-Luck Henry]

Re: RE: I would rather live my life as if there is a God

You are missing the point of what evil is.


It has been scientifically proven with normal people given the oportunity to victimise people, they will do it for just for pleasure and without any reason.

I'd like to see that scientific study.

I don't think it's what you're looking for, but that sounds a little bit like the infamous Stanford Prison Experiment

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: I would rather live m

I think the way we are going the human race and the planet will be doomed within 200 years tops.

Well.......I tell ya......I am OUTTA here by then...... :wink: (and well before that. Could not stand to watch the demise..

 

[iamcanadian]

I have seen it work many times.

People of little competence and little integrity given possitions of absolute power who then abuse people (especially those better then them) simply because they can for the fun of it, or from jealousy.

It a systemic problem of lesser people putting better people down so they can feel superior because they lack of self-worth and suffer from an inferiority complex.

They personally gain nothing from their conduct, but do it for the high of seing others squirm under their influence, so they can enjoy the power.

Power is like a drug that can be abused that way.

Nowhere is it so pervasive than in the higher civil servants with command and control possitions. And nowhere have I seen it worse or more blatant than in the Regional Governments of Ontario, where the worst from local tier employment rise into possitions of power without accountability and beyond all manner of public scrutiny.

 

[the caracal kid]

i am canadian,

there is always somebody playing the chicken little song:

"Our earth is degenerate in these latter days. There are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end. Bribery and corruption are common, Children no longer obey their parents. Every man wants to write a book, and the end of the world evidently is approaching."
Assyrian tablet circa 2800 BCE

 

[iamcanadian]

Yes, and look what happened to the Assyrians soon after they wrote it.

... Babylon, Sodom & Gamorrah, Rome, Costantinople, Toronto, Peel ... it's as inevitable as absolute power corrupting absolutely

 

[the caracal kid]

humans are still here, are they not?

just because fleeting things come to an end does not mean "the end". think of it this way: it will be to man's advancement when the current religious tyranies come to an end, ending the "dark ages". Sometimes change needs to come via radical events.

Your "evil" civil servants are no more evil than the civil servants of 4000 years ago, so get over it.

 

[Hard-Luck Henry]

RE: I would rather live m

The fossil age is coming to an end. Ironic that, as we kill one another in the struggle for fossil fuels, the dominant superpower is struggling with admitting fossils are even real. Go figure.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: I would rather live m

The fossil age is coming to an end. Ironic that, as we kill one another in the struggle for fossil fuels, the dominant superpower is struggling with admitting fossils are even real. Go figure.

no one ever said that power and intelligence were synonymous..;-)

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: I would rather live my life as if there is a God

humans are still here, are they not?

just because fleeting things come to an end does not mean "the end". think of it this way: it will be to man's advancement when the current religious tyranies come to an end, ending the "dark ages". Sometimes change needs to come via radical events.

Your "evil" civil servants are no more evil than the civil servants of 4000 years ago, so get over it.

totally agree about the radical events needed for effective change sometimes. Sometimes people have to be JOLTED out of their complacency or stupidity. Also ........the sooner "we" get rid of religion as such.......or at least morph it into something rational.... the sooner we will be a more enlighted population. But this "religion" thing is so ingrained now.......it will take a very long time for that to happen.

the doomsayers have been predicting the "end" ever since the beginning.....;-) Don't think this is what No 1 is doing tho.

Suspect some very significant changes on this planet will unfold in the next 200 yrs. Kinda too bad.......as it would be interesting to be around then. It really sucks that the humanoid life span is so short... :wink: Particularly when the productive years are so limited. ;-)