'I just can't help wanting these hot young boys'

[Locutus]

Teacher, 44, escapes prison despite 'boasting about sex with students'



An elementary school teacher who admitted having sexual relations with students has escaped prison after prosecutors declined to bring charges against her.

Kristle Vandever, 44, resigned two years ago after the allegations first emerged - but she has only just had her teaching licence revoked.

Shortly after quitting, the 21-year veteran wrote an email admitting: 'I just can't help wanting these hot young boys... and they want me.'

She also appeared to imply that she could have faced legal action if her victims had spoken up as she wrote, 'no witnesses coming forward'.

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Kristle Vandever: Teacher, 44, escapes prison despite 'boasting about sex with students' | Mail Online

 

[Scooby]

The bigger story here is the huge fail of the employers and the unions to deal with unprofessional conduct issues. " Innocent until proven guilty" is a great ideal, but it only serves on rare occasions.
Ironicly, the system keeps many silent that should not be.
Same thing goes on in Canada.

 

[WLDB]

If she had been a man I imagine people would be calling for blood or a very long prison sentence.

 

[SLM]

If she had been a man I imagine people would be calling for blood or a very long prison sentence.

She should be imprisoned as far as I'm concerned. This is a very sick, twisted individual. A predator.

 

[Liberalman]

Is there a possibility that she was really raped?

 

[Scooby]

Is there a possibility that she was really raped?

I suppose she could have been overpowered by a sixth grade boy. How is that relevant, given her admission of guilt?

 

[SLM]

Is there a possibility that she was really raped?

Hmmm, reading that article and then coming up with some far-reaching lame defence of a sexual predator. Solid move.

 

[taxslave]

Never had teachers like that where I grew up.

 

[55Mercury]

Some DAs will do anything for a bj.

 

[Liberalman]

Hmmm, reading that article and then coming up with some far-reaching lame defence of a sexual predator. Solid move.

It is possible and the boys don't have a record all their lives to stop them from their full potential. Sexual predator is not so specific like a 16-year-old boy having sex with a 15-year-old girlfriend but he will have to bear the label for the rest of his life.

 

[Niflmir]

She should be imprisoned as far as I'm concerned. This is a very sick, twisted individual. A predator.

A good friend of mine lost his virginity at the age of 14 to a 23 year old.

I used to joke about how he was a rape victim. It was a joke, because it was a fond memory for him and I was jealous.

Now that is a very bad taste joke: making fun of rape victims. However, legally, that is what he is and therein lies the joke. It is a bit of an affront to actual rape victims to call what happened to my friend rape, which is of course why I only ever made the joke in private, but it is also an affront to my friend to call him a rape victim.

Maybe those students were rape victims, I don't know, but what I do know is that things are not as black and white about sexuality as we would like.

 

[Scooby]

A good friend of mine lost his virginity at the age of 14 to a 23 year old.

I used to joke about how he was a rape victim. It was a joke, because it was a fond memory for him and I was jealous.

Now that is a very bad taste joke: making fun of rape victims. However, legally, that is what he is and therein lies the joke. It is a bit of an affront to actual rape victims to call what happened to my friend rape, which is of course why I only ever made the joke in private, but it is also an affront to my friend to call him a rape victim.

Maybe those students were rape victims, I don't know, but what I do know is that things are not as black and white about sexuality as we would like.

There is aspect to this case and others like it that makes it more than simply sexuality.
All professionals, Medical, Law Enforcement and Educators etc. are placed in position of positive social status and rightly so, that the youth of the society can develop a trust with them. This makes codes of conduct in these occupations so important.
We choose to be labeled, by acts or career choices, and have to live with them.

 

[SLM]

It is possible and the boys don't have a record all their lives to stop them from their full potential. Sexual predator is not so specific like a 16-year-old boy having sex with a 15-year-old girlfriend but he will have to bear the label for the rest of his life.

So you equate possibly pre-pubescent elementary students and their 44 year old teacher with 16 and 15 year olds engaging in sexual activity.

Interesting.

A good friend of mine lost his virginity at the age of 14 to a 23 year old.

I used to joke about how he was a rape victim. It was a joke, because it was a fond memory for him and I was jealous.

Now that is a very bad taste joke: making fun of rape victims. However, legally, that is what he is and therein lies the joke. It is a bit of an affront to actual rape victims to call what happened to my friend rape, which is of course why I only ever made the joke in private, but it is also an affront to my friend to call him a rape victim.

Maybe those students were rape victims, I don't know, but what I do know is that things are not as black and white about sexuality as we would like.

It's still an abuse of power in this situation. Abuse is abuse, irrespective of the gender of the abuser and the victim.

 

[taxslave]

I could handle that kind of abuse.
Got any new toys?

 

[Niflmir]

It's still an abuse of power in this situation. Abuse is abuse, irrespective of the gender of the abuser and the victim.

I don't disagree with that, but in fact she has been relieved of that position of power. If the only problem was the abuse of position then justice has been served. I was responding, however, to your call for her imprisonment.

Can the students truly be called victims in order to justify imprisonment? That is the question I was asking. Might we be doing more harm to the students by asserting to them that they need to feel like victims?

 

[SLM]

I don't disagree with that, but in fact she has been relieved of that position of power. If the only problem was the abuse of position then justice has been served. I was responding, however, to your call for her imprisonment.

Can the students truly be called victims in order to justify imprisonment? That is the question I was asking. Might we be doing more harm to the students by asserting to them that they need to feel like victims?

Your point is not lost on me. Conversely though the message we could just as easily be sending is that a young boy really shouldn't be complaining and even shouldn't feel badly if an aggressive adult forces themselves upon them. So what if they do feel badly? What if the boy is young and doesn't want the attention, it makes him uncomfortable, he feels it's wrong. There is a stigmatism within society that all males must take it, men cannot be raped, males cannot be the victim of domestic violence. Do you see where I'm going with this?

What is the message that's being sent and to whom is it being sent by ignoring that aspect of it?

As far as the teacher goes, to my way of thinking there is something wrong with a 44 year old woman, or conversely a 44 year old man, who lusts after pre-pubescent or barely pubescent adolescents.

 

[Blackleaf]

Your point is not lost on me. Conversely though the message we could just as easily be sending is that a young boy really shouldn't be complaining and even shouldn't feel badly if an aggressive adult forces themselves upon them. So what if they do feel badly? What if the boy is young and doesn't want the attention, it makes him uncomfortable, he feels it's wrong. There is a stigmatism within society that all males must take it, men cannot be raped, males cannot be the victim of domestic violence. Do you see where I'm going with this?

What is the message that's being sent and to whom is it being sent by ignoring that aspect of it?

As far as the teacher goes, to my way of thinking there is something wrong with a 44 year old woman, or conversely a 44 year old man, who lusts after pre-pubescent or barely pubescent adolescents.

Popular British television soap opera Coronation Street - the world's longest-running TV soap having been on our screens since 1960 - is currently running a storyline about a young man who is the victim of domestic abuse by his girlfriend.

Tyrone Dobbs is the male victim of domestic abuse perpetrated by his girlfriend Kirsty Soames in Coronation Street

Because of that, a man named Ian McNicholl, who was the real life victim of domestic abuse, met the actor and actress involved in that storyline on the set of Coronation Street.

Over a 14-month period, Ian’s twisted ex Michelle Williamson poured boiling water over his genitals, scalded his arm with a steam iron, ­repeatedly smashed a mobile phone into his cheek and thrust burning cigarettes up his nose.

He also suffered attacks ­involving ­hammers and metal bars. Williamson was eventually jailed for seven years after a neighbour called the police.

Ian McNicholl, a real-life male victim of domestic abuse at the hands of his girlfriend Michelle Williamson, meets actor Alan Halsall (Tyrone Dobbs) and actress Natalie Gumede (Kirty Soames) on the set of Coronation Street.

Attacked with hammers, boiling water and lit cigarettes: Battered man tells of shocking violence at the hands of his girlfriend - Mirror Online

 

[L Gilbert]

Can the students truly be called victims in order to justify imprisonment?

Predators are predators, so yes, IMO.

Might we be doing more harm to the students by asserting to them that they need to feel like victims?

I don't think so. It pretty much goes along with showing kids what is acceptable to society and what isn't, however much of a negative aspect it is.