I Am Not Un-American, Just Tired

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Reverend Blair

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How about a link that provides economic data to backup your claim that you actually "feed" us. And try and find a link that claims more than 3% of oil etc....comes from Canada.
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Look it up yourself, ITN. It's about time you educated yourself on what the relationship really is. Nice how you tried to pick one lowball number for one of the things I mentioned. :roll:

Reverend: You are putting meaning into my words which does not exist. Canada and its people are well known for their considered opinions, their lack of knee-jerk reactions, and fair play.
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Your insistence that these are just "knee-jerk reactions" that we haven't considered is erroneous though.

You have said several times that we should quit complaining, WC. You somehow think that things posted on a Canadian website are going to greatly anger the US and shut down diplomatic ties. How about the crap that spews from Americans about us? Talk about knee-jerk reactions.

You have further exhibited a lack of knowledge of many of the facts, WC. Your post that I just answered in the Bolton thread showed a singular lack of knowledge about both John Bolton and Kofi Annan, for instance, even while you were accussing me of the same.

You seem to have come here with the mission of telling us to quit criticising the US, that it's none of our business, that we don't know what we're talking about, and that we should just shut up. It isn't going to happen.
 
Curiosity

Curiosity

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Reverend -

I have not come here with a .... .... mission of telling us to quit criticising the US, that it's none of our business, that we don't know what we're talking about, and that we should just shut up. It isn't going to happen.

Why would I come to a discussion forum to tell people to shut up?

I don't believe in censorship but on the other hand I believe in both sides being heard in "accuracy".

I think some people are going off the deep end here and reading more into what the U.S. is doing than is necessary.

I also think Canadians are inclined to sit back and view the scene with reason - in fairness - than posting what amounts to not much more than internet gossip.

You have singularly ignored my remark about the "reforms" Kofi Annan has instituted at the United Nations. I think here we will tend to disagree if you have any admiration for the man whatsoever. I think he has done the U.N. and all the global community a great disservice, and he should tender his resignation - the sooner the better.

You have also ignored the Oil for Food Scandal - which points to the abuse the U.N. in suffering under his quasi leadership.

But Bolton is an undischarged gun at the U.N. - Give him time. If he is such a loaded personality - it will be revealed soon enough.
You are crucifying him before he has spent two days in office.

Even that is un-Canadian. Guilty before proven innocent.

You have certainly misjudged me and in your typical prejudgment
modality - have called it quite incorrectly.

Do you prefer combat rather than debate? Debate requires two differing views (or so I thought). With respect. It appears you believe I lack that quality.

You must be a seer or mind-reader. I shall have to watch my step with how I address you in future regarding your double vision.
 
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Reverend Blair

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You have singularly ignored my remark about the "reforms" Kofi Annan has instituted at the United Nations. I think here we will tend to disagree if you have any admiration for the man whatsoever. I think he has done the U.N. and all the global community a great disservice, and he should tender his resignation - the sooner the better.
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See, now I know that you haven't done your research. I put up a link to the Larger Freedom report. I've read it, so I know that you certainly haven't had time to do the same.

You also haven't read much about Annan's career if you are continuing to deny that he has worked for reforms since before he became SG. If you had done that research you would find that the US has been one of the major roadblocks to proposed reforms.

You have also ignored the Oil for Food Scandal - which points to the abuse the U.N. in suffering under his quasi leadership.
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I have not ignored OFF. I do urge you to do some real research into it though. The UN website is a good place to start.

But Bolton is an undischarged gun at the U.N. - Give him time. If he is such a loaded personality - it will be revealed soon enough.
You are crucifying him before he has spent two days in office.
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Obviously you know little of Bolton, his history, or his reputation. The man hates the UN, feels that international law does not apply to the US, and has opposed everything from the Landmine Treaty to the ICC. I'm not crucifying him, I'm pointing out that he is an extremely negative influence and absolutely the wrong man for the job, especially at a time when diplomacy and statesmanship is more important than ever.

Bolton is not an unknown quantity. He carries much baggage with him and will not be able to get others to cooperate with him.

Even that is un-Canadian. Guilty before proven innocent.
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Only a fool would accuse me of being unCanadian, so you can drop that line of crap right now.
 
Curiosity

Curiosity

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Reverend Blair

Yes sir! Right!

I see you don't have the patience the other members of this forum have with people. I'll steer clear.
 
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Reverend Blair

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RE: I Am Not Un-American,

My patience has grown thin with people who consider Anne Coulter sound-bytes about the UN to be a reliable source, but haven't done the research to understand the situation.

Do the research, WC. There's a reason why the General Assembly gave Annan a standing ovation when the Bush regime was trying to oust him.

There's some facts you seem to have missed, like Annan coming to Canada and asking Parliament for help in reforming the UN. That happened long before the Bushites were screaming for reforms.

You've made assertions that are not based in fact, but instead on opinion columns in the right-wing press and accused me of not doing my research. Go do yours, then come back and we'll have a discussion.
 
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Wednesday's Child said:
Reverend Blair

Yes sir! Right!

I see you don't have the patience the other members of this forum have with people. I'll steer clear.
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Wednesday's Child ... I've taken the time to read through your posts. Your style and tone are disturbingly familiar. Hmmm.
 
moghrabi

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RE: I Am Not Un-American,

There are no rocks to crawl from under mrmom. They come up from shitholes.
 
Curiosity

Curiosity

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Reverend Blair

It seems you have a travelling coterie with you when you are in "debate" mode - if one can call your insults debate.

Your freedom in charging me with the need of research indicates you are quick to criticize when you have no idea what I research and when. Where I am coming from and what I represent.

The reforms you speak of concerning SG Annan are the same ones he has given year after year, while accomplishing nothing. He is filled with himself and his pomp and ceremony signifying nothing.

You continue to ignore the more important Oil for Food Scandal in favor of promoting this man as a leader of nations???

Then you have the strange idea the U.N. Website will give unadulterated information on Mr. Annan? How odd you would believe that the very expensively constructed internet pages of the United Nataions would say anything factual and informative concerning his proposed "new" reforms other than the rhetorical pattern he adopts when swaying those necessary for his personal need of adulation..

These are old reforms and they are gettings shopworn. Other than taxing the internet there is nothing new - since last year and the year before that ad nauseum.

Now - I think the most damaging insult you have flung in your spittle Reverend is to accuse me of repeating Ann Coulter's words. Is that the best you can do? You are a great comedian. If you have to sink so low to "debate" in comparative personalities you detest with a person you have never met, you must be fuelled by insufficiencies from within.

I wonder just what the word neocon means to a Canadian? To call another Canadian a "neocon" whatever could that mean? I'll have to do some "research" on that as well to define the unhappy impression I have left on you - honoured one and your fans.

I think you are far too interested in waging war than sorting out why John Bolton would be a disaster to the U.N. and if he is a disaster - why would you care? He represents your most hated nation - and that should please you.

Finally, you make little sense Reverend - have you thought of joining a Toastmaster's Group? They are quick to help you sort out your thoughts sans such emotional outburst.

Regardless, I am sorry I have been so rude to you, but I cannot trust you to debate on an adult level at all, therefore descended to yours.

Wednesday's Child - In Sympathy
 
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Reverend Blair

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RE: I Am Not Un-American,

Once again, your post has exhibited a certain lack of initiative to actually look at the facts. You cannot deny that the US had oversight over Oil for Food. That's not up for argument because every member of the Security Council had that same oversight. The UN itself had only a support role.

You also cannot argue that the UN had the power to do anything about corruption within that program. They had neither the means nor the mandate to enforce anything...that fell to SC members, chiefly the United States.

The UN has produced extensive documentation as to what actions they took regarding OFF. It appears on their website. It is the same documentation that they produced for the investigation by the US. It details problems within the UN, problems withing Oil for Food, and what the powers and responsibilities of those involved were.

You don't want to read it though, because it debunks your preconceived notions.

You present nothing...not a link, not the name of a publication, not the credit of a columnist, nothing...to support your position. You are making the assertion that the UN is crooked and that I know nothing about it. Here's an idea...prove it.

Your rhetoric is thin, your facts absent, and your motives suspicious. Go ahead and launch another attack though.
 
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I like the "Global Taxes" one. Ya right, I'm going to pay a tax on email...give me a break.
 
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I think not

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Reverend Blair said:
How about a link that provides economic data to backup your claim that you actually "feed" us. And try and find a link that claims more than 3% of oil etc....comes from Canada.
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Look it up yourself, ITN. It's about time you educated yourself on what the relationship really is. Nice how you tried to pick one lowball number for one of the things I mentioned. :roll:
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There is nothing to lookup. Canada does not "feed" the US, I didn't exactly see us starving on the streets with the cow ban. And energy consumption from Canada is about 3%.
 
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