I Am Not Un-American, Just Tired

[Ocean Breeze]

Um - I thought this was a Canadian forum.

Why is there so much about Americans?

Isn't american bashing, supposed to be a part of the so-called "Canadian Identity"? Not that I particularly agree with that, but if you want a simple answer....

nope. US 'bashing" is not part of the CA identity. It is not a passtime for amusement. We in CA have every right, just as any other nation .......to be aware of the consequences of the US actions and discuss, critique , and even condemn as these actions affect not only us but the world at large. If one has ever visited a truly international forum........one would get an eyeful of what other nations say about the US now. Sadly, but currently the US and the bush administration is a hot topic in most international forums. (many are a lot less "polite" than we are here)

 

[manda]

nope. US 'bashing" is not part of the CA identity. It is not a passtime for amusement. We in CA have every right, just as any other nation .......to be aware of the consequences of the US actions and discuss, critique , and even condemn as these actions affect not only us but the world at large. If one has ever visited a truly international forum........one would get an eyeful of what other nations say about the US now. Sadly, but currently the US and the bush administration is a hot topic in most international forums. (many are a lot less "polite" than we are here)

like I said...I dont agree with the statement, but there are many who say it is. I agree wholeheartedly that this forum is much more polite when it comes to adressing the bush administration than others, and condsidering that his actions are affecting the world at large, it is no wonder that he is the hottest topic of public scrutiny...aarrrgh, why can that man not just disappear? :x

 

[Ocean Breeze]

nope. US 'bashing" is not part of the CA identity. It is not a passtime for amusement. We in CA have every right, just as any other nation .......to be aware of the consequences of the US actions and discuss, critique , and even condemn as these actions affect not only us but the world at large. If one has ever visited a truly international forum........one would get an eyeful of what other nations say about the US now. Sadly, but currently the US and the bush administration is a hot topic in most international forums. (many are a lot less "polite" than we are here)

like I said...I dont agree with the statement, but there are many who say it is. I agree wholeheartedly that this forum is much more polite when it comes to adressing the bush administration than others, and condsidering that his actions are affecting the world at large, it is no wonder that he is the hottest topic of public scrutiny...aarrrgh, why can that man not just disappear? :x

Don't we wish ( bush disappearing). :wink: I think (and this is just my view) that there is a LOT Of disappointment in the US public for "re -selecting " him for the second term. I also think the rest of the world was hoping he would have been voted out too. The whole world was watching the last election and for good reason. Following the "election".....there was a tone (world wide) of almost resignation. I hear he is on holidays at his ranch for five weeks. Maybe we won't hear /see him for at least that period of time. Ya figure??

(on second thought, with his propensity for falling off bikes etc......suspect we might see more photos of him with bruises. :wink:

 

[manda]

Don't we wish ( bush disappearing). :wink: I think (and this is just my view) that there is a LOT Of disappointment in the US public for "re -selecting " him for the second term. I also think the rest of the world was hoping he would have been voted out too. The whole world was watching the last election and for good reason. Following the "election".....there was a tone (world wide) of almost resignation. I hear he is on holidays at his ranch for five weeks. Maybe we won't hear /see him for at least that period of time. Ya figure??

Nah, unfortunately. He's too much like a yappy dog to stay out of the limelight for that long...he should have opted to be an actor in a soap opera, rather than a president...he loves the drama, and does best when he is told what to say :wink:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Don't we wish ( bush disappearing). :wink: I think (and this is just my view) that there is a LOT Of disappointment in the US public for "re -selecting " him for the second term. I also think the rest of the world was hoping he would have been voted out too. The whole world was watching the last election and for good reason. Following the "election".....there was a tone (world wide) of almost resignation. I hear he is on holidays at his ranch for five weeks. Maybe we won't hear /see him for at least that period of time. Ya figure??

Nah, unfortunately. He's too much like a yappy dog to stay out of the limelight for that long...he should have opted to be an actor in a soap opera, rather than a president...he loves the drama, and does best when he is told what to say :wink:

me thinks ya got him pegged :wink:

 

[manda]

A girls gotta sayy...and so on

 

[Curiosity]

OK OK people - just asked a question - don't get defensive.

Discuss anything you care to - I was only surprised by so much focus on the subject.

 

[manda]

Re: RE: I Am Not Un-American, Just Tired

OK OK people - just asked a question - don't get defensive.

Discuss anything you care to - I was only surprised by so much focus on the subject.

don't worry about it, nobody's upset...verbal sparring is the name of the game...we all get along fairly well really...most of us could even share a sandbox, as long as nobody steals my shovel and pail!!!

 

[Curiosity]

Thanks Manda

I'll ask another question then if it is ok. If it isn't I'm sure I'll hear about it

How has Bush affected Canada and Canadian people? Have Canadians suffered under his watch? What about the previous administrations who also experienced terrorism against U.S. properties around the world and did little to combat it, other than a couple of lobbed missiles at Kaddafi and to remove Hussein from Kuwait (a coalition which included Canada).

I can't believe that any administration whether it be the U.S. or a European nation, or the Australians for example have such an influence on what happens to Canada and Canadians to raise such a set of comments.

I am aware of how people feel about the Iraq invasion but how has it affected any of the people here to get so exercised over the topic?

If we we were discussing matters of trade and economics I could understand some of the decisions which have affected Canada negatively, but if the American people are paying for the Iraq situation, how can this bother Canadian people who can sit back and view it from afar?

 

[manda]

Thanks Manda

I'll ask another question then if it is ok. If it isn't I'm sure I'll hear about it

How has Bush affected Canada and Canadian people? Have Canadians suffered under his watch? What about the previous administrations who also experienced terrorism against U.S. properties around the world and did little to combat it, other than a couple of lobbed missiles at Kaddafi and to remove Hussein from Kuwait (a coalition which included Canada).

I can't believe that any administration whether it be the U.S. or a European nation, or the Australians for example have such an influence on what happens to Canada and Canadians to raise such a set of comments.

I am aware of how people feel about the Iraq invasion but how has it affected any of the people here to get so exercised over the topic?

If we we were discussing matters of trade and economics I could understand some of the decisions which have affected Canada negatively, but if the American people are paying for the Iraq situation, how can this bother Canadian people who can sit back and view it from afar?

a lot of the influence is economic, the effect of the war on the gas prices, quick to shut the border on Canadian beef, if he even smells a though of Bse. You add that to the fact that he sniped at candians because we didn't salute and run with hime to Iraq, and you get a fairly hostile nation, at least some of us. I can't stand the man personally, for many reasons, but I think I made that pretty obvious. I think that his actios have had a huge global negative effect, and until he's gone, I don't see a chance for clean up and improvement in sight

 

[Jo Canadian]

Thanks Manda

I'll ask another question then if it is ok. If it isn't I'm sure I'll hear about it

How has Bush affected Canada and Canadian people? Have Canadians suffered under his watch? What about the previous administrations who also experienced terrorism against U.S. properties around the world and did little to combat it, other than a couple of lobbed missiles at Kaddafi and to remove Hussein from Kuwait (a coalition which included Canada).

I can't believe that any administration whether it be the U.S. or a European nation, or the Australians for example have such an influence on what happens to Canada and Canadians to raise such a set of comments.

I am aware of how people feel about the Iraq invasion but how has it affected any of the people here to get so exercised over the topic?

If we we were discussing matters of trade and economics I could understand some of the decisions which have affected Canada negatively, but if the American people are paying for the Iraq situation, how can this bother Canadian people who can sit back and view it from afar?

Boy, you'll be getting a few essays on that question.

To make it short, Manda is right about the economics.

There's the soft lumber
potato wart
mad mad cow
the usual trade issues that they can imply unfair restrictions "just because" even though the international trade rules already judged that it isn't right, it falls on deaf ears. If the shoe was on the other foot they cry foul (i.e. chinese textiles)

there's the influence. We seem to get frowned at if our policies are a little different, and we are "obliged" to try make it right.

there's SSM
and the recent kerfuffle on "giving" them canadians who they think are criminals.

In effect Since we are neighbours and share the border and are as close as we are, we would get effected by seriously negative things that happen from the states. If they go down, we're in for a bumpy ride too.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Thanks Manda

I'll ask another question then if it is ok. If it isn't I'm sure I'll hear about it

How has Bush affected Canada and Canadian people? Have Canadians suffered under his watch? What about the previous administrations who also experienced terrorism against U.S. properties around the world and did little to combat it, other than a couple of lobbed missiles at Kaddafi and to remove Hussein from Kuwait (a coalition which included Canada).

I can't believe that any administration whether it be the U.S. or a European nation, or the Australians for example have such an influence on what happens to Canada and Canadians to raise such a set of comments.

I am aware of how people feel about the Iraq invasion but how has it affected any of the people here to get so exercised over the topic?

If we we were discussing matters of trade and economics I could understand some of the decisions which have affected Canada negatively, but if the American people are paying for the Iraq situation, how can this bother Canadian people who can sit back and view it from afar?

a lot of the influence is economic, the effect of the war on the gas prices, quick to shut the border on Canadian beef, if he even smells a though of Bse. You add that to the fact that he sniped at candians because we didn't salute and run with hime to Iraq, and you get a fairly hostile nation, at least some of us. I can't stand the man personally, for many reasons, but I think I made that pretty obvious. I think that his actios have had a huge global negative effect, and until he's gone, I don't see a chance for clean up and improvement in sight

there are a lot of situations where the bush cabal has mistreated its neighbor. The comments here about him are not just out of anger or childish petulance. They are about how he treats the world in general. Remember the Ambassador to CA and HIS arrogant threats to CA. ( Ca will pay the consequences of not supporting the US in its insanity in Iraq) Then there is the missle shield thingie. Each time CA says NO to the US.....the US bites back with threats and other methods. As manda mentioned the Mad cow situation caused a major reaction in the US ......until they found some of their own. They as a whole are punitive as opposed to cooperative. They want their demands met without question. ergo have no respect for CA. (not that we need their respect as who needs the respect of such a vile gov't.)

Heck......bush did not even THANK CA for all the assistance CA gave post 9-11. OK......so the guy is a shlep.....and rude and inconsiderate. But in politics those things matter. Fortunately we are a tolerant bunch as a whole..... and it is primarily on forums like this that many of us express our thoughts.

 

[jjw1965]

Hello everybody!
My, My, I didn't realize what a stir my feelings could cause! anyway I just wanted to say thanks to all my Canadian brothers and sisters who support me, and to those who don't, thank you for reading my articles anyway, your opinions are still appreciated.
And as for I.T.N. many Americans are in denial, and it is every Americans right to stand up to the things that are wrong, that doesn't make them paranoid. You don't have to believe what I say, matter of fact don't believe me! look the things I say up for your self! one of the first places to start would be Project For A New American Century(PNAC), there mission is clear, in their own writtings they say they need another Pearl Harbor type event to get done what they need done and they don't care who they hurt in the process.

 

[I think not]

And as for I.T.N. many Americans are in denial, and it is every Americans right to stand up to the things that are wrong, that doesn't make them paranoid. You don't have to believe what I say, matter of fact don't believe me! look the things I say up for your self! one of the first places to start would be Project For A New American Century(PNAC), there mission is clear, in their own writtings they say they need another Pearl Harbor type event to get done what they need done and they don't care who they hurt in the process.

Let's back up a bit shall we? The first thing I recommended you do is get a membership with the ACLU, if there is any source of information obtaining violations of our rights and so forth, its them. Nowhere else, them. The rest is bullshit propaganda, wherever it may lie.

When you claim martial law is coming, I'm sorry but thats paranoia.

 

[Jo Canadian]

:lol: I know this is off topic, but I saw a toon regarding the ACLU and found it quite amusing.

:lol: No back to our regular scheduled bickering.

 

[jjw1965]

I'm trying real hard to be respectfull, but don't get me started on the A.C.L.U. having a closed mind and following just one organizations word is foolish, and I don't need the A.C.L.U. to tell me what to believe, I've been doing this for a long time and I've seen what our government is capable of. and it's more than banning the nativity scenes and bibles from schools.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: I Am Not Un-American, Just Tired

I'm trying real hard to be respectfull, but don't get me started on the A.C.L.U. having a closed mind and following just one organizations word is foolish, and I don't need the A.C.L.U. to tell me what to believe, I've been doing this for a long time and I've seen what our government is capable of. and it's more than banning the nativity scenes and bibles from schools.

If you can even get started on the ACLU then you have no idea what its all about. And I didn't tell you what to believe, I referred you to the ACLU to obtain facts not fiction. You may "know" what our government is capable of but I know what our people of capable of, it has nothing to do with misconceptions.

 

[Curiosity]

Wow lots to read thanks for the replies -

Do people here not like Bush because -

He is conservative
He is American
He is president
He is ..... fill in the blanks
Or all of the above.

I ask because some of the things you have written here were done under the previous Clinton administration and it seems Bush is getting the whiplash from people for things already in place when he took office - NAFTA for one.

Bush paid a visit to thank the people in Ottawa and on the east coast for 9/11 didn't he? Just in the past year?

All my questions for now - promise. :wink:

 

[bulldog]

Thanks Manda

I'll ask another question then if it is ok. If it isn't I'm sure I'll hear about it

How has Bush affected Canada and Canadian people? Have Canadians suffered under his watch? What about the previous administrations who also experienced terrorism against U.S. properties around the world and did little to combat it, other than a couple of lobbed missiles at Kaddafi and to remove Hussein from Kuwait (a coalition which included Canada).

I can't believe that any administration whether it be the U.S. or a European nation, or the Australians for example have such an influence on what happens to Canada and Canadians to raise such a set of comments.

I am aware of how people feel about the Iraq invasion but how has it affected any of the people here to get so exercised over the topic?

If we we were discussing matters of trade and economics I could understand some of the decisions which have affected Canada negatively, but if the American people are paying for the Iraq situation, how can this bother Canadian people who can sit back and view it from afar?

Amen. I like you. You have some good old-fashioned, logical, good-natured, fine-fettle common sense.

Bull Dog

 

[I think not]

Wow lots to read thanks for the replies -

Do people here not like Bush because -

He is conservative
He is American
He is president
He is ..... fill in the blanks
Or all of the above.

I ask because some of the things you have written here were done under the previous Clinton administration and it seems Bush is getting the whiplash from people for things already in place when he took office - NAFTA for one.

Bush paid a visit to thank the people in Ottawa and on the east coast for 9/11 didn't he? Just in the past year?

All my questions for now - promise. :wink:

For those who have a targeted hatred towards Bush, I can't say I blame them, he has been the worst President the US has ever seen in my opinion and disgraces the office he occupies.

However, the claim Bush squandered the sympathy for the US after 9/11 is nonsense. The sympathy was but a blip, hatred however is chronic.