Re: RE: I am amazed by the left on this board.
I think not said:
S-Ranger said:
Thank you. I was about to lay into (no kidding "I think not" who apparently has never been grocery shopping before and lived off potato chips and chocolate bars in whatever "post-secondary" school that certainly wasn't teaching accounting.
I've been grocery shopping, and shopping for products that have sales tax, and I pay less than half of the taxes you pay up there.
For starters, apologies for not noticing your location (alleged anyway; not a direct accusation it's just quite common on sites like this to enter whatever suits the arguments). GST and such, you don't pay it and shouldn't even know what it is and I saw you asking what it was (federal or provincial and what rate) later on, or whatever; this thread is all over the place.
But that being so, why are or were you in a rather nonsensical debate, as in making statements, about things you have no clue about?
Is the GST a federal or provincial tax? Anyone who has to ask that is not qualified to make statements about it but there is such a thing as research, you appear to have done some and appear to have reached the conclusion that a federal income tax cut is what you would support over a federal consumption tax cut. And you're in the company of every sane analyst on the planet on that one.
[And I hope you don't take it the wrong way, as in "you don't know so you don't belong here."
You learn, quite unlike many "Canadians," and it's a general issue, income or consumption tax cuts, what's it worth, what's the cost in federal revenues compared to the benefits to the economy; including skilled human capital not leaving for the U.S. to pay less in income taxes; but not less for healthcare, particularly catastrophic and chronic or long-term care.]
Raising the bar to something realistic for this century and in the cities, which is where most Canadians live, $30,000 dollars or less in gross income and you shouldn't have to pay a cent in income taxes. It was at $19,000 or so and the "liberals" finally raised the bar, which will leave thousands of Canadians paying no income taxes, because they're below the poverty level in most of the cities at $30,000 a year; and with the bar raised, the starting point at which income brackets pay personal income taxes, they will pay zero and it's about time.
But the "conservatives" might roll that back to pay for their publicity stunt, GST cut. And they're also pointing at the "liberal" tax cuts, which income ranges/tax brackets they're targeted at and claiming that they're not going after the "lowest income earners' -- and of course they're not, because they raised the bar on tax exempt status, and you cannot cut taxes from ZERO.
Targeting specific income brackets (not the ones who are now tax exempt, obviously)
and paying no GST consumption tax, particularly the way the GST works, is going to increase economic growth with a puny 1% cut to no one who is even paying GST?
Those who do pay the GST (based on their previous personal federal income tax return) get quarterly rebates checks from the confederate dept. of finance for having to pay the GST.
It's a very easy tax for businesses to work with: whatever your business expenditures are on GST is deducted from whatever the business collects in GST on sales. it's very flexible for businesses; you can choose to file returns (depends on assets; small- and medium-sized businesses) quarterly, bi-annually or annually. You can save up expenditures that the business paid GST on for up to three years; until you have collected lots, so end up keeping GST all collected when needed or getting a rebate. Or you can declare it all (per quarter or whatever) and if you bought a bunch of new computers, vehicles, whatever, paid out more in GST than the business collected in sales, you get a rebate check.
The old provincial taxes need looking at, not the GST and not in this socialist mess (as is). If it thinks it's going to remain socialist, which mostly means "free" healthcare, as per whatever the provincial government chooses to cover, which isn't much in the Ontarios, then you have to pay for it; either via various income-related taxes, including capital gains, dividends on investments, etc., or via the various consumption taxes or some combination of the two.
And I don't believe in taxing the rich to pay for the "poor." It removes all incentives, if done to an extreme, to do all of the hard work, take all of the risks, to get rich (and create lots of jobs and spin-offs; extra revenues in the process; hopefully in NAFTA) and you should reap your rewards -- or why bother? It's the main failing of communism and socialism as it's implemented in this mess (the confederate "transfer system" is where all of the huge messes are); it removes removing incentives to get ahead. Necessity is the mother of all invention -- and you also get what you reward.
These country, on a grand scale, penalizes economic success to the point of strangulation, to reward failure with zero accountability and far less than zero in results. Communism, the iron-fisted end, off to the gulags, not for political "dissidence" but for not working or for working stupid, with no excuse for it, would be quite an improvement to the Canadas, but that's the insane "transfer system"; not how the confederates happen to get their filthy paws on our revenues in the first place.
The most logical cut is 0% confederate taxes to get rid of the lot of them, then the few economies in this mess that actually generate more revenues than they suck up in "transfers" (Ontario, south, Quebec, southeast, a.k.a. the Windsor-Québec City corridor, Alberta's economy is based almost entirely on the export of raw/semi-processed volatile commodities, namely crude and natural gas, the rest is a write-off, and southwest B.C., the Lower Mainland-south Vancouver Island are all the pay anything in confederate revenues that are never seen again here or there. The rest, hidden by the ridiculous "province" things in "Ontario," "Quebec", "Alberta" and "B.C." get 100% of all federal receipts/revenues paid out and most provincial revenues paid out BACK along with tens of billions of dollars a year more; out of the above and that has to stop, that is by far the biggest issue around taxes and none of them are addressing it, so a stupid GST of little income tax cut is neither here nor there) pay for totally essential union services.
It's also a waste of our taxes to play these ridiculous games as though the Atlantic Canadas, most of the Quebecs, most of the Ontarios, the Manitobas, Saskatchewans and territories actually pay out federal taxes. A huge confederate bureaucracy wastes more of our revenues processing all of the receipts -- only to send them all right back, but not back to the people and businesses who paid them, they send them back to their less than worthless "provincial" governments/departments of finance, via the confederate department of finance.
One of the largest money transfers on the planet takes place out of "Ontario" to the rest of the Canadas. And this is "Ontario":
Windsor-Québec City Corridor, 2001
Ontario Section
10,706,513 93% of Ontario's population
Québec Section
6,327,354 87% of Quebec's population
Total Population
17,033,867 57% of Canada's population
Source: Statistics Canada 2001 Census
Not the Quebec section, just the 93% of the population in the Ontario section and the whole thing takes up all of 2.2% of the land of the Canadas, produces 65% of its total economic output (which is difficult to gauge with the ridiculous "transfer system" around because that money goes into other economies in the Canadas out of ours and is then included as part of their GDPs, even though their provincial governments just piss hundreds of billions of dollars away every decade, no money every "disappear" it has to be accounted for and it is; as assets that are worth 40% of the GDPs of the bulk of the alleged 'provinces' of the Canadas every year; on average) and between 64-70% of all confederate revenues.
And it's not just the hopeless "transfer system." We, Upper and Lower Canada, the Windsor-Québec City corridor, sent out, the confederates did, what became the "Royal" Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) over 100 years ago,
temporarily but they're still everywhere and they're not unarmed riding around on horses anymore; they cost quite a lot of money and it's just another subsidy that no U.S. state gets, you pay for you state law enforcement and if a state can only afford two state troopers, well, that's that. There are RCMP traffic/general purpose cops all over VANCOUVER.
Only the Ontarios and Quebecs have their own 'state' law enforcement, paid for out of our 'state' taxes from top to bottom, bottom to top, recruiting/academies to pensions and everything in between.
The confederates don't like the word "unemployment" so we have "employment" insurance instead. It's set up to rob the rich and give to the poor; to remove any/all necessity, which is the mother of all invention, for their GOVERNMENTS to bother doing anything but bitching and whining for more and more handouts. And they actually get them. More and more every freaking year.
It's the only "tax issue" worth talking about in the Canadas and by far it's the BIGGEST tax issue; not some stupid 1% cut on the GST.
Cutting the confederates out of the picture is the only solution left to fix the real problems and nothing in this country can withstand an assault on the confederates by the Windsor-Québec City corridor and the stupid morons are sitting right on our land in South Ontario, no in a political District or anything else.
They'll get one last chance to deal with the real issues and no one is expecting anything but the usual arrogance from them: and then they'll see some downright nasty capitalist arrogance. Governments have to deal with "chartered" banks and every single head office is sitting in Toronto along with most of the smaller bank head offices, 90% of the foreign bank head offices, 80% of the top marketing firms in the Canadas, all of the IT&T head offices we need to shut them right down; in one municipality let alone with the mass marketing capabilities Toronto businesses have and all they have to market to is South Ontario; really just south central Ontario, because it's a no-brainer to get Montreal involved, which runs the Quebec section of the Windsor-Quebec City corridor, which IS Canada, historically, economically, in revenues, around everything that matters holding every single card in the deck.
And feel free to ask "I think not" what Americans think of Soviet Canuckistan's socialist crap. The Windsor-Quebec City corridor is responsible for millions of American jobs, we are not oriented to the Canadas anymore (or to each other; it's just a transportation/communications corridor but it kinda has to stay that way, as "a"/one transportation/communications corridor or millions of American jobs are at risk and the U.S. simply will not support Canadian socialists whining and moaning over nothing.
You'll have no confederates to cry to or spout your propaganda based on hearsay based on medieval lies to and you certainly won't have the U.S. to spout off to, because they've slapped import bans and tariffs all over the Outer Canadas in case you haven't noticed out there; not on us, they might as well do it to themselves.
We actually create jobs in the U.S. (and vice versa here) as real trading blocs are supposed to work. Pick an end, it doesn't matter where it starts, we do not export raw/semi-processed natural resources but high-value manufactured goods and high value services (R&D, innovation, over 80% of it; knowledge-based economies to keep it all running and keep it all competitive) to the U.S., which creates new jobs here, which are also "people with money to spend," new markets to import American goods and services to, creating new jobs there, expanding markets there so that we can create more jobs here, expanding our markets to import more American goods & services and so on it goes.
The rest of the Canadas, other than the Lower Mainland-south Vancouver Island (Vancouver region, southwest B.C., just north of Seattle for our American friends and Toronto alone makes more money in American tourism than all primary "industries" in the Canadas other than oil/gas extraction), still has no clue which century this is.
They have no markets to speak of:
Population of the Canadas[1]
October 1, 2005
Code:
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October 1, October 1, Pop
JURISDICTION 2004pr 2005pp Change %Pop*
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Ontario 12,454,171 12,589,823 135,652 38.88
Québec 7,566,136 7,616,645 50,509 23.52
British Columbia 4,215,695 4,271,210 55,515 13.19
Alberta 3,215,869 3,281,296 65,427 10.13
Manitoba 1,173,358 1,178,109 4,751 3.64
Saskatchewan 995,351 992,995 -2,356 3.07
Nova Scotia 938,821 938,116 -705 2.90
New Brunswick 752,313 751,726 -587 2.32
Newfoundland & Labrador 517,112 515,591 -1,521 1.59
Prince Edward Island 137,762 138,278 516 0.43
Northwest Territories 42,973 42,965 -8 0.13
Yukon Territory 30,791 31,235 444 0.10
Nunavat Territory 29,647 30,133 486 0.09
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TOTAL 32,069,999 32,378,122 308,123 100.00
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October 1, October 1, Pop
SUMMARY 2004pr 2005pp Change %Pop*
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(ON+QC) Total 20,020,307 20,206,468 186,161 62.41
(ON+QC+BC) Total 24,236,002 24,477,678 241,676 75.60
Rest - (ON+QC) Total 12,049,692 12,171,654 121,962 37.59
Rest - (ON+QC+BC) Total 7,833,997 7,900,444 66,447 24.40
Prairie (AB+SK+MB) Total 5,384,578 5,452,400 67,822 16.84
(SK+MB) Total ^ to AB 2,168,709 2,171,104 2,395 6.71
Atlantic Total 2,346,008 2,343,711 -2,297 7.24
Territory Total 103,411 104,333 922 0.32
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* “%Pop” = percentage of October 1, 2005 population TOTAL
pr Updated postcensal estimates.
pp Preliminary postcensal estimates.
1. These estimates are based on the 2001 census counts adjusted for net undercoverage
Derived from: Statistics Canada -
The Daily, December 21, 2005
Last modified (by source): 2005-12-21
...so no financial adviser/location expert in his or her right mind is going to recommend investing in "things that add value" to the rest of the Canadas. it makes no economic sense, it simply adds to insurance and shipping fees. The more value anything is worth, the more it costs to ship it. It's why all of the pipelines are around, sending all of the crude from the west and east into the U.S. and even then, it's 1 day's trucking from Toronto to the bulk of the American markets, and there's still a 15% discount on the currency exchange rate to invest in refineries and petrochemical plants in South Ontario as opposed to out west, where they exist to support your puny markets and not much more.
But it's the agricultural crap and lumber, the most basic industries around that amount to food and shelter that the U.S. has every right to be pissed off about being dumped on by the western Canadas in particular given that it's about all you do out there.
You KILL jobs in the U.S. and don't even add value to yourselves in the process and that is not what trading blocs are for. U.S. states don't get RCMP law enforcement, or "transfer payments" on top of the other subsidies and then the automatic 15% discount (of late) just in the exchange rate. How is anything in the U.S. supposed to compete with that? And it's FOOD AND SHELTER and no country in its right mind is going to turn that over to a foreign country to rely upon; unless there is no choice in the matter and the U.S. does hae a choice and it chooses to slap import bans and tariffs on y'all.
No one (other than marketers given that it's their job) ever claimed the capitalism was "nice" or "fair" or anything else built into Canadiana (Canadian propaganda that has vanished; we're not as stupid here as "y'all" are).
We have real competition and real issues to deal with here and we don't care about your cows, chickens, wheat, turf, oilseeds or RAW/LIVE anything else you're trying to dump onto NAFTA markets to
kill jobs while accomplishing the same nothing you've accomplished for yourselves over the last 100+ years.
The U.S. is closing fiscal disparities faster than this ridiculous mess is with NO "transfer payment" system other than around homeland security. And New Yorker's and others have ample right to bitch about even that -- states like South Dakota getting the same in per capita "funding" from the U.S. federal government for homeland security when no terrorist would bother with it, because it's a deserted wasteland just as most of the western Canadas are.
National border patrols and whatever are one thing but handing money to Idaho and such for "homeland security" is quite another story and it takes revenues away from NY, CA, FLA, TX,
real states with real infrastructure and populations generating lots of revenues (well, FLA has problems with hurricanes and such but its gross state product was still in 4th spot in fiscal 2004-05, behind California, New York, and Texas only; posted earlier in this thread with the source if anyone wants to check on it) and the U.S. BEA has the "Great Lakes Region" listed but due to the border that runs down the middle of it, excludes South Ontario's US$400+ billion economy, it's not an accurate comparison on either side of the border, which is nothing but a $2 billion/year pain in the ass expense in lost productivity for both countries).
We're getting our revenues back into South Ontario whether anyone in the Canadas happens to like it or not. It's not extremist and it's not 'greedy' either.
There are, to be determined, totally essential union services to pay for and "y'all" can't pay for them so we have to keep paying for them, including your law enforcement, but not forever. Timetables will have to be set, you'll have to first learn how to pay your own bills and when you get that figured out, you'll be much better for it, will have much stronger economies and much better grasps on reality and can then start paying for your share of the "federal" debt that the Ontarios don't owe a cent of, but will still continue paying 50% or so of the expenses on, because there's no other choice.
What could possibly be more "left" than strangling economic success, raping and plundering, leaving South Ontario with the
least revenues per capita in the "federations" so that you get more for doing nothing? Fair? It's not even socialism, it's socialism gone insane and it is going to be fixed, despite any/all whining, crying, stomping, screaming, rolling on the floor, the usual from spoiled brats.
It's the one and only "tax issue" in South Ontario and "Quebec", though it gets quite a lot more of its revenues back than "Ontario" does and good for Duceppe going on and on about the "fiscal imbalances," plural, but around Quebec it's mostly "employment insurance" and the fix for that is to have a real insurance program that works like a real insurance program, has no 'regional subsidies' built in, and one transfer called equalization that actually does what it says it does; if we can afford it. If not it won't be quite equal but I won't be deciding any of it and will sift through the dozens of PDFs, the thousands and thousands of pages I've read about all of it, to post links so that y'all can do the same -- but y'all don't seem to like reading, y'all seen to like the propaganda much better.
Good to see a sane American in the thread, who was able to figure out what y'all can't in a few days, without even knowing what the GST was to start. Nothing has "the right" platform around taxes or anything else but go check all of the sources you claim to "know" and take sentences out of context and spin them like your preachers tell you to; nothing is endorsing the GST cut as something that will improve economic growth around anything.
Maybe snack food sales will increase slightly, save a cent on a bag of Doritos, maybe it'll increase obesity/health problems in the process and end up costing us more money.
I would have just hidden the thing, like the former 13%+ manufacturing tax it replaced was hidden, then declare what Mulroney did around it -- that every cent collected in GST will go towards paying down the (then) federal deficit, then the federal debt and make that very visible and accountable, but don't stick it in front of everyone's face every time they buy a bag of chips.
And it's only 1%, not "eliminating the GST" and "to be seen" if the Harperites/Alberta Party win a minority and survive for a year dealing with the Bloc to get enough votes to pass anything and the Bloc will not give them free votes; they'll demand tax points in return for their support, which should
thrill Albertans, even though South Ontario will end up paying for it as usual -- as to whether another point is dropped in fiscal 2007-08.
The whole point of doing it is that the GST is in everyone's face every time they buy anything with GST on it, if they bother to look at the receipt, the GST is right there -- so hide it like the tax it replaced was hidden. If it were a hidden tax like the fuel taxes, like provincial income taxes, like medicare taxes, the Alberta Party wouldn't even have mentioned it. It'd be a duel over cutting corporate and personal income taxes; because cutting those tend to increase economic growth, not consumption taxes.
And BTW, "I think not," you have no clue what I pay in taxes, I have no clue (or care) what you pay and you'll have to factor in that the U.S. pays the most per capita of any country on the planet for healthcare, it doesn't show in the stats and over 10% of the population of the U.S. has no health coverage at all when it should have, by far, the best healthcare on the planet given what Americans pay for it.
It doesn't make the mess in the Canadas "better" it's just a factor that you're not including and can't include in what you pay in taxes, that we have to include. There's no real way to compare as yet and I've discussed it with many Americans and have no interest in discussing it further.
Those in the south U.S., who don't know what real seasons are, don't have to buy the extra spring, fall, winter clothes, snow tires, shovels, snow blowers, leaf blowers, rakes, etc., that those who get four seasons do and they can/will tell you all about that in the south, along with the snow and ice removal equipment they don't have to pay for out of their state taxes.
But they don't get to live in the northeast making the money it does either ... and then south CA gets into it, but what about the earthquakes, floods, fires, mudslides that the northeast doesn't deal with ... and crime, paying for more law enforcement that rural states (and provinces and counties) don't have to deal with but then in with the subsidies you have to pay for the rural states, and on and on it goes.
B.C. covers auto insurance via taxes. The Ontarios don't and it costs the most for auto (vehicle) insurance in Toronto than anywhere in the Canadas with for-profit private insurance (State Farm, they all make money and have to), and BC's public healthcare plan covers herbologists and natureopaths while Ontario just de-listed all chiropractic, physiotherapy and eye care. How are we supposed to compare our taxes? We're not getting services in the Ontarios that B.C. does get out of taxes and we can't say that we're paying less because we're not, overall. We have to have private health insurance, or pay out-of-pocket for everything the Ontario healthcare plan doesn't cover; let alone private vehicle insurance.
But there are a lot more accidents in "Ontario" (south; the rest should be turned into a territory along with the rest of the Quebecs; so that we could get proper stats for once) and perhaps more expensive vehicles and due to the tax plundering (it's not tax plundering it's just not returning our fair share of our own revenues; which the confederates should never have their far less than worthless paws on in the first place), by the "Ontario" and confederate feds, the roads in Toronto aren't in very good shape and it cost $2,000/year on average just in personal vehicle damages due to crappy roads causing damage to vehicles, in 2004.
How any confederate tax cuts are going to deal with that, let alone allow some comparison with B.C., is beyond anyone here. Just give us the $11 billion you stole from the municipality of Toronto last year and we'll be able to cut municipal taxes and make all kinds of repairs this city has had to make for 15 and more years; with our own fair share of our own "provincial" and confederate revenues.
Nothing is even talking about it.
JAY and Co in Ontario
And Jay, the bus that runs by your place now may not exist if the Alberta Party "conservatives" squeak a majority dictatorship out. The "new deal for cities" that they were totally against, just look at the "supporters' of the Alberta/west Canada (there is no such thing but they like to pretend) Party and their, um, disdain for "central Canada."
It's why they've never won any seats around here. What would they care about pubic transit in the deserted prairies? Alberta is rolling in cash because it's paying 40% less than its fair share of federal taxes (gets back 40% more than it should; and intends to increase that, which will dump more and more expenses right onto Ontario) and they're canceling the "new deal for cities" that they totally screwed up, due to the minority government the "liberals" had, into a "new deal for cities and COMMUNITIES" covering every town, village, hamlet and ditch in the Canadas, leaving nothing with anything worth anything; but it was better than nothing, which is what they wanted.
The money has gone to the Ontario government, pittances of our own revenues back, to pay for public transit and what good will some puny rebate on public transit fares do you when the one bus that does run by your place is cut?
Alberta, which is all they care about, will be building new public transit AND getting rebates on fares. Are you, is everyone in the Ontarios going to take those puny rebates, pool them together and start their own public transit systems with them? Or mail them to the Ontario "ministry" of finance so it can take care of it?
Of course not.
But we don't need the confederates for anything but giving us the $22 billion in revenues they've stolen from Ontario on average every year since the Rae NDP Lunatics won the "Ontario" (which one?) dictatorship and broke a world record for any subnational government on the planet, overspending by over $10 billion a year and leaving Ontario saddled with a $63.4 billion "accumulated budget deficit" (interest-bearing debt and the World Bank put Ontario, the government, on public notice to get its fiscal house in order, fast, or be slapped with a Third World credit rating; from a Triple-A credit rating all due to the NDP far worse than socialists; anyone who is thinking of voting NDP should vote for the Marxist-Lennonist Party or at least the Communist Party instead; or perhaps move to China or Saudi Arabia or the the countries of the former USSR and the like) and as soon as the Harris Conservatives were elected to clean up the mess, the confederates returned $10 billion less of Ontario's revenues in one fiscal year.
The "fiscal gap" between the Ontarios and the confederates, when the Rae NDP Lunatics and Peterson Liberals before them held the dictatorship, was $2 billion a year. It jumped to
$10 billion in one year, the year the Harris Conservatives were elected then up to
$22 billion a year, every year (on average, sometimes more, sometimes less; it depends on the revenues "Ontarians" hand over to the confederates) and a billion more is forecasted to leave the "municipality" of Toronto this fiscal year (revenues not being returned by the Ontario feds, due to revenues not being returned by the confederate feds), which bumps it up to $23 billion for this fiscal "loonacy" SCAM year.
Chretien did it and Martin got fired by Chretien for disagreeing with "killing the golden goose" of the Canadas for no apparent reason, while it was buried alive in extra debt from the Rae NDP Lunatics, the confederates ran up over $70 billion in "surpluses" on our backs for no apparent reason.
So the Harris Conservatives (who you must like as much as I do and I'm not kidding; the Canadas has never seen a better government than the Harris Conservatives; and I know all of the propaganda so don't bother), who not only paid the $63.4 billion in extra debt that the NDP ran up in only 5 years, in 5 years, the same amount of time it took for them to almost bankrupt "Ontario" but they had to make more and more cuts due to the
$22,000 MILLION (a.k.a. $22 billion; not the pocket change, $40 million, if even that, and as if the federal finance minister is going to know about petticash and a few missing invoices;
$22,000 million is quite another story) on average that the Chretien government decided not to give back to Ontario, because Chretien hated Harris' guts. He was
"un-Canadian", which simply means
dealing with reality and exposing it, not "Canadiana" propaganda BS.
There was a phase II to the Common Sense Revolution of the Harris Conservatives: once "Ontario" was leading the G8 in economic growth, productivity and everything else in 2000-01 and on, all of the extra cuts that had to be made due to Chretien were going to be re-invested in, like half of the hospitals and public schools in Toronto were closed, but not demolished.
There was just no revenues to do it with, despite the massive economic growth, due to Chretien and sure enough, the extra revenues that went to the confederates were simply taken (and they couldn't hand it away fast enough so ended up running tens of billions of dollars in "surplus" overtaxation on the backs of Ontarians) to ENSURE that the Common Sense Revolution didn't work, to ensure that no re-investment could take place -- or it might have woken the rest of the Canadas up and other provinces might have done the same and then where would the poor confederates be?
Between a rock and a hard place, which is where they are. Harris stepped down thinking that Chretien would come to its senses, but instead of coming to its senses, it fired Martin for arguing with every word that came out of Chretien's mouth, for the plundering of Ontario, which he tried to fix in the last session but had a minority and Harper wants nothing to do with any fixed Ontario either, Jay.
You take your puny "transit user" rebate that you won't get because no bus will be running by your place to get any rebate in fares from -- and learn something about political "families" the hard way: your puny MP means nothing. it will not get an "audience" with Harper or anyone else who means anything, and if you have concerns and want to let your MPs, for what they're not worth, what you want then the time to do it is NOW, it was 4 months, 3 months, 2 months ago, not AFTER the election when they will be powerless to do anything but listen to the siren songs that Flanagan & Clan create. They'll be "believers" in a freaking CULT. And you will not understand, you will be crazy talking about public transit, you will be the Enemy of the Albertan Superior Race; or will be just as fecked up and clueless as they are with their nonsense, hatred and propaganda based on hearsay based on outright lies.
There is only one thing that you and all alleged "Ontarians" (if you allege so; I think not but who cares what I think? Prove me wrong) need to be writing to your ridiculous "MPs" about, and local media and Ontario PC MPPs and John Tory about: with no mercy, take the gloves off, it's been 15 years of nothing but talk, the diplomacy has not worked and it never will --
get the $23 billion we are owed out of the confederates right now or we are going to rip your heads off and stuff them up your arses.
Ontario paid out over $80 billion to the confederates last year. It's not some fairy tale. For the first time in history, all three political "families" in the Ontario government have looked at the numbers, have had others study them independently and they all agree, for the first time in history that the "fiscal gap/imbalance" (SCAM) between Ontario and the confederates/rest of the Canadas is
$22,000 million a year and is going to be
$23,100 million this fiscal "loonacy" SCAM year.
Please refer to the
Ontario forum,
$23 billion gap thread started by MMMike -- before any documentation that was comprehensible to the general public was released and look at the whining and moaning of the "have-not" morons when I post the facts, the documents they refuse to read and good for them because no one is asking them for their opinions about anything.
The document produced by the Ontario Chamber of Commerce is full of links to other documents and it is assumed that you have
already read those documents, and then the
Canadian Chamber of Commerce, which represents every business in the Canadas that means anything endorsed the Ontario Chamber of Commerce's report.
Nothing/no one who matters can argue with it and it's the one and only election issue for anyone claiming to be "Ontarian." It's the one and only answer to every single problem in the Ontarios, it's the one and only post-election issue and not just to the confederate feds but to the Ontario feds so that they know they have your support to STICK IT to whatever confederate mess results from the next ridiculous election.
And then when the Ontario election is up, you'll be able to vote for REAL Conservatives, not prairie hicks without a clue in the world, and will finally be able to punish the McGuinty Liberals for not only breaking 103 election promises before they even took office, but their main promise not to raise taxes, which they did not have to promise due to the Ontario
Taxpayer Protection and Balanced Budget Act that the Harris Conservatives passed.
NO raising provincial taxes without a referendum and NO budgets that are not balanced.
They McGuinty Liberals urinated, defecated and spat all over that LAW after swearing to uphold the laws of the Ontarios and Canadas by raising taxes AND producing a deficit budget -- and trying to blame it on BS that the Conservatives dispelled the first day they sat together in the "Park of the Queens" in Toronto.
They claimed the usual: "Due to <insert derogatory BS about last government/party here> we had no idea that <insert BS about alleged deficit/whatever here> ... so we HAVE TO break our promises now..." the usual.
Fortunately the Ontario Conservatives are not buffoons and immediately pulled out documentation of a meeting they held with McGuinty and Sorbara (former finance minister) to tell them EXACTLY how much the deficit was and minutes of the meeting were taken and it's all documented and then to be sure, they sent them more documentation, prior to the election, as to exactly the amount of the deficit.
OOPS. But then they not only broke their main election circus marketing act "campaign" promise not to raise taxes but BROKE THE LAW and were sued for it by the Canadian Taxpayers Federation; so then they repealed the Ontario
Taxpayer Protection and Balanced Budget Act because it would have penalized them, cut their salaries (personally, I would have attached recall legislation to it and made it mandatory to hold a referendum to amend it, let alone repeal it) so that the McGuinty Liberals didn't have to pay the fines.
All they had to do, with a majority dictatorship, is repeal it before they broke the law, not just some election "campaign" promise.
The outrage over that is what got the "conservatives" from Stampede Town a few seats in the last confederate election. Remember? Or were y'all off on another planet at the time?
So go ahead and vote for the Stampede Town Party so we can be rid of the confederates even faster. But keep your alleged Conservatism in mind when the new systems and structures are set up; or you may find yourselves in another economic union.
Christ we need some Americans here to smarten you oblivious fools up. I'd rather let NY vote for the next moronic confederacy than anyone in these ridiculous "federation."
Where are you from, Jay? How can you possibly be so oblivious about the workings of political "families?" (As in organized crime "families" that extort money to "take care of" people.) Your MP will be lucky if it ever even gets to talk to Harper. Why do you think Stronach left that "family?" And they have zero clue about real economics in this region, zero clue about real competition, zero clue about anything but being prairie hicks with big yaps -- with one foot in mad cow dung and the other in a "holy puddle" of pig urine.
They hate you. You are Ontarian. You are a "central Canadian" generating the bulk of the wealth of this pathetic mess, which makes you Enemy #1. Can't you read? Even on this site, which isn't "left-leaning" it's Canadian-leaning, it's reality-leaning, it's progressive-leaning as opposed to regressive-leaning, which is reality in the majority of the Canadas -- you haven't managed to see the venom spewed by lunatics from the alleged "western Canadas?"
And particularly from Albertans? But you're going to vote for them and think that some MP is going to mean something all of a sudden, out of the blue?
Just look at the mess of this thread. "Right = stupid" as usual. "Look up yer facts ..." when they post none and think that the "newz media" selling ad space to target morons means something. C.D. Howe said what? I know what they said, all of it, but do you see a link here? You will NEVER see a link to "real proof" around the alleged "right." They are too ignorant to figure anything out for themselves, they only know the propaganda they are spoon-fed by their hero-demigods.
