How the liberals made Britain ashamed of being Great

[BaalsTears]

Many British officers were sympathetic to Americans during the Revolutionary War. They were fellow Masons. General Howe and General Clinton failed to adequately support General Burgoyne during the Saratoga Campaign of 1777. The resulting American victory persuaded France to join the hostilities on the American side.

 

[taxslave]

What was so great - and democratic - about the 30% minority of colonials achieving something (independence) that 70% of them didn't want?
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Did you get that factoid from a british history book too?

Most colonials were against independence and wanted to remain British, which they were proud to be (of course, you didn't know this because you have been brought up reading American history books). So what was so great about a selfish few ignoring the opinions of the majority and achieving what the majority didn't want?

There are a great many Canadians that still wish to get out from under the thumb of a foreign monarch.

 

[Zipperfish]

I tell you the difference between Canadian and British history. In Canadian history you learn that the Vikings were actually primarily traders, and that Genghis Khan insititued civil governance and courts in his empire. When I last visited York, there were a bunch of 9 year olds studying a skeleton of a Brit that had been killed by a Viking. The teacher was explaining, blow by blow, exactly how the poor fella died.

History is pretty much a waste of time anyways, so may as well make it interesting. Lots of blood and guts!

 

[darkbeaver]

Nope... wrong again. Only 15%-20% were Crown Loyalist... as was shown by the inability of the Brits to suppress the rebellion and inability to raise significant loyalist troops... and of course the ultimate victory.

Try reading a REAL history book.



I've actually read more books from the Brits about the Revolution. I must admit I like reading the whining of Brit officers and their inability to suppress farmers, militias, and ultimately the Colonial Army.

The NPS Book Stores at Revolutionary War battlefields are full of these books from Brit historians and I visit them often.

It's funny as hell seeing failed imperialists flailing each others skeletal remains, especially since neither seems to understand that they are already victims of the same history they thought to command.

 

[Blackleaf]

Nope... wrong again. Only 15%-20% were Crown Loyalist... as was shown by the inability of the Brits to suppress the rebellion and inability to raise significant loyalist troops... and of course the ultimate victory. Try reading a REAL history book.

I do read real history books. I read British ones, and that's why I know the facts rather than myths.

Those 15-20% you mentioned were only those Loyalists who were white males. Needless to say, you failed to mention that (by the way, it took me only a few moments to find that out). Those stats do not take into account all the female Loyalists and also all the black Loyalists. The blacks were overwhelmingly Loyalist. About 12,000 African Americans served with the British during the War of Independence. This may have something to do with the fact that the British treated the African Americans better than the colonials did. Thousands of them went to Britain - 1,000 to London alone - to join the FREE black community there, where they couldn't be treated as slaves like they were in America (slavery had been illegal in England for centuries and Somersett's Case of 1772 confirmed that any blacks arriving in Britain would be free people). Amongst those settlers who had recently arrived in colonies, the Scots were most likely to be Loyalists.

Elsewhere amonst Britain's North American colonies, the majority of Canadians were also loyal to Britain and the King.

I've actually read more books from the Brits about the Revolution. I must admit I like reading the whining of Brit officers and their inability to suppress farmers, militias, and ultimately the Colonial Army.

The British were vastly outnumbered during that conflict, yet still won the vast majority of the battles. What does that tell you? The Americans, on the other hand, still believe that they defeated a vastly numerically superior foe. This is a myth.

There are a great many Canadians that still wish to get out from under the thumb of a foreign monarch.

What's that got to do with Britain? The Canadian Head of State is the Canadian Head of State. It's nothing to do with us.