How the GW myth is perpetuated

ironsides

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If it's warmer it should rain, not snow. Many of the lower states have had much colder winters than normal. Usually the more southern states get rain this time of year.

These unusual storms are all part of the El Niño effect. All will be well when La Nina returns, then hurricanes will more likely hit the U.S. mainland and winter storms will follow more traditional paths..

NOAA scientists today announced the arrival of El Niño, a climate phenomenon with a significant influence on global weather, ocean conditions and marine fisheries. El Niño, the periodic warming of central and eastern tropical Pacific waters, occurs on average every two to five years and typically lasts about 12 months.


Sea surface temperatures along the equatorial Eastern Pacific, as of July 1, are at least one degree above average — a sign of El Niño. Animation.
High resolution (Credit: NOAA)

NOAA expects this El Niño to continue developing during the next several months, with further strengthening possible. The event is expected to last through winter 2009-10

NOAA - National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration - El Niño Arrives; Expected to Persist through Winter 2009-10

We do get snow in Northern Florida, it is not common, but not unusual.either.

 

Tonington

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For those who still doubt the relationship between warmer years and snow storm frequency, this paper will be illuminating:

Temporal and Spatial Characteristics of Snowstorms in the Contiguous United States


Specifically, this part:
Results for the November–December period showed that most of the United States had experienced 61%– 80% of the storms in warmer-than-normal years. Assessment of the January-February temperature conditions again showed that most of the United States had 71%-80% of their snowstorms in warmer-than-normal years. In the March–April season 61%–80% of all snowstorms in the central and southern United States had occurred in warmer-than-normal years…. Thus, these comparative results reveal that a future with wetter and warmer winters, which is one outcome expected (National Assessment Synthesis Team 2001), will bring more snowstorms than in 1901–2000. Agee (1991) found that long-term warming trends in the United States were associated with increasing cyclonic activity in North America, further indicating that a warmer future climate will generate more winter storms.

Oh, and for Walter, the expected frequency in the South for these kinds of conditions is once per decade.
 

L Gilbert

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If it's warmer it should rain, not snow. Many of the lower states have had much colder winters than normal. Usually the more southern states get rain this time of year.
So f'n what? A lot of places south of the equator have had a warmer than normal season.
Man, some people are dense and have absolutely no hint of what mean averages are nor what the difference between weather and climate is.

Ton, you might as well talk to your desk in hopes that it might understand a little.
 

ironsides

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A compilation of some pretty good charts and articles on this issue that should concern all of us for, if the environmentalists, Progressives and business special interest groups have their way, we are going to be paying far more in taxes and energy, and the world's economic growth will be severely negatively impacted to the detriment of our children and grandchildren.

Be sure to read the text of Phil Jones' interview with the BBC where he admits that the warming over the last three warming periods have not been scientifically significant. Phil Jones is one of the lead contributors to the IPCC report and has also benefited from the millions of dollars in research grants the East Anglia University has received to study the science.


At best, we have no bloody idea whether anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions has or will cause global warming (which has now morphed into climate change, whatever that is supposed to mean, since the climate is always
changing). There is absolutely no "scientific proof" yet established. At worst, anthropogenic carbon emissions have had no impact on climate what-so-ever.



Under the video tab go to this video MIT climate scientist presentation: Part1, Part2, Part3, Part4, Part5, Part6 Professor Lindzen explains why we keep hearing politicians, scientists, business leaders, and the media continue to claim there is anthropogenic global warming.

This post should be spread widely as possible so that more people are clued into the real state of our scientific knowledge and to have an understanding about how small a component total CO2 is in our atmosphere and how smaller still is human, as opposed to natural, induced CO2.

I do not wish to become an expert on this. I am getting
AGW fatigue. However, here is an interesting range of
charts you may not have
seen. Worth a quick look.


http://www.c3headlines.com/co2greenhouse-gas-chartsgraphics.html

 

AnnaG

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So? I doubt there's a person within reach of a news article that doesn't think Gore's an ass.
 

ironsides

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Cobalt_Kid

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And the rush to claim territory in the Arctic currently under pack ice that may have rich natural resources is due to what?

Last year saw the greatest number of craft transit the Northwest Passage and China is building icebreakers in anticipation of saving 7000 miles in shipping products to Europe, it's also demanding a share in resources found there. The Arctic ice is dissappearing faster than most models have predicted, the faster it goes the faster the region will warm(once again simple physics due to albedo) since ice reflects most of the sunlight and open ocean absorbs most of the solar energy that arrives.

Climate change deniers are stuck in some bizarre version of OZ clicking their ruby slippers together and chanting "There's no such thing as Global Warming, there's no such thing as Global Warming".

Magical thinking is wonderful... in a child.