How many liberals are killing..

[gopher]

RE: How many liberals are

Vietnam war started by leftists?

Republican Eisenhower started our involvement there and he was not a leftist.

Next ...

 

[gopher]

So, just to balance the discussion;
How many right wing goverments stood by and did nothing when wars and atrocities were happening


in Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras ...


Woops, correction - right winger Reagan did not sit by and do nothing. Quite the contrary, he supported reich wing genocidal terrorism in those countries. When you consider the amount of Ixil Indians killed, the numbers proportionately equal those of Jews killed by Republican financed Nazis in Europe.

Since this matter has been previously discussed and links provided, I will not re-post the sites here.

 

[humanbeing]

Re: RE: How many liberals are

Vietnam war started by leftists?

Republican Eisenhower started our involvement there and he was not a leftist.

Next ...

Sorry, but I am not wrong, so please don't "next" me! I see where you are coming from, but... democratic presidents accelerated the Vietnam war, allowed for it, and they sure helped to start it as well. See Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, and hell, Roosevelt is relevant too.

Anyhow, they are all scum, democrat or republican.

 

[Colpy]

When Trudeau the communist...

Trudeau was not a communist. Not in the original sense, and not in the state capitalist monopoly dictatorship sense of the word (like Soviet Russia).

Actually, it turns out the young Trudeau accepted the prevailing politics of the Quebecois, and was a fascist.

This delights me to no end, because I hated the SOB.

That said, he was wise enough to grow out of his fascist period, although I would argue he always retained a solid steak of authoritarian elitism.

 

[FiveParadox]

Re: Trudeau Fascism?

Anyone who would suggest that the late The Right Honourable Pierre Trudeau, P.C., C.C., C.H., Q.C. was fascist, needs a quick smack upside the head. None of our prime ministers of Canada have been fascist.

 

[Finder]

Re: Trudeau Fascism?

Anyone who would suggest that the late The Right Honourable Pierre Trudeau, P.C., C.C., C.H., Q.C. was fascist, needs a quick smack upside the head. None of our prime ministers of Canada have been fascist.

Hear, HEAR!!!!

 

[Colpy]

Re: Trudeau Fascism?

Anyone who would suggest that the late The Right Honourable Pierre Trudeau, P.C., C.C., C.H., Q.C. was fascist, needs a quick smack upside the head. None of our prime ministers of Canada have been fascist.

Read The Young Trudeau, just recently printed, written by two of the man's friends. They were given complete access to his archives, and have studied some of his VERY early writting.

I NEVER said he stayed a fascist, but he was one in his teens.

I was a communist in my teens.

If you read my post, you will see that I acknowledge he grew out of the idea.

Oh Yeah (ducks)

 

[I think not]

Re: Trudeau Fascism?

Anyone who would suggest that the late The Right Honourable Pierre Trudeau, P.C., C.C., C.H., Q.C. was fascist, needs a quick smack upside the head. None of our prime ministers of Canada have been fascist.

Yer right, he was more like a nutjob, declaring martial law because some dude got kidnapped. :roll:

 

[humanbeing]

vietnam continued

All right gopher, let's start and end the conflict in Vietnam at the official dates given (perhaps I should have said conflict(s) in Indochina instead of Vietnam war, but I'm still not wrong, only I don't have quite as much to work with).

creating genocide, bombing civilians, bombing towers, blowing themselves up, torturing prisoners, torturing fellow countrymen, spreading religious hate, being dictators, or publicly executing people.

bombing civilians, torturing prisoners, publicly executing people...

let's add deforestation and crop destruction to the list, which were intended acts in the Vietnam war, from which we can also add spraying people and their surroundings with highly toxic, hazardous, carcinogen-filled, miscarriage and birth defect-causing chemicals...

John F. Kennedy (democrat/so-called leftist) sent the US Air Force to carry out large-scale bombing on Vietnam (I don't even know how many were massacred, but a lot of human life was taken). Under Kennedy, you had deforestation and crop destruction missions, which includes the use of those nasty chemicals we all hate so much.

Lydnon Johnson (another democrat) helped to escalate this aggression, and even took it further North into Vietnam, leading to countless more lives taken.

Do I need to go on? These democrats certainly didn't just allow for the war, they helped escalate things themselves!!

Between the democrats and republicans, you might be able to argue which ones were the bigger scum, but the fact that they are both scum is the shameful reality.

 

[humanbeing]

Regarding my original point though, do you agree now, Gopher?

 

[gopher]

your original idea - Anyhow, they are all scum, democrat or republican.


Agree 1000 %.

But remember, it is Republicans who are the instigators.

 

[gc]

Re: Trudeau Fascism?

Anyone who would suggest that the late The Right Honourable Pierre Trudeau, P.C., C.C., C.H., Q.C. was fascist, needs a quick smack upside the head. None of our prime ministers of Canada have been fascist.

Yer right, he was more like a nutjob, declaring martial law because some dude got kidnapped. :roll:

Like the israelis? Just kidding :wink:

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: Trudeau Fascism?

Anyone who would suggest that the late The Right Honourable Pierre Trudeau, P.C., C.C., C.H., Q.C. was fascist, needs a quick smack upside the head. None of our prime ministers of Canada have been fascist.

Yer right, he was more like a nutjob, declaring martial law because some dude got kidnapped. :roll:

Yeah that was boneheaded alright...

...but then what was Dubya's reason for invading Iraq...looking for doobies or something, wasn't it??

 

[Said1]

Re: Trudeau Fascism?

Anyone who would suggest that the late The Right Honourable Pierre Trudeau, P.C., C.C., C.H., Q.C. was fascist, needs a quick smack upside the head. None of our prime ministers of Canada have been fascist.

Yer right, he was more like a nutjob, declaring martial law because some dude got kidnapped. :roll:

There was a little more to it than that, ITN. Trudeau used both kidnappings as a pretext in invoking the War Measures Act. Prior to the kidnappings, there was much more going on. Tsk, tsk.

Trudeau was also acting on information provided by Quebec's Liberal Premier, Robert Bourassa, claiming the FLQ had plans to assassinate government officials, as well - no doubt Trudeau being one of the officials.

Since 1963, the militant Quebec nationalist group Front de libération du Québec (FLQ) had carried out over 200 violent crimes, including several bombings that resulted in the deaths of six people. The largest single bombing was of the Montreal Stock Exchange on February 13, 1969, which caused extensive damage and injured 27 people. FLQ members also had stolen several tons of dynamite from military and industrial sites. Financed by bank robberies, they threatened the public through their official communication organ, known as La Cognée, that more attacks were to come.



By 1970, 23 members of the FLQ were in jail, including four members convicted of murder. On February 26, 1970, two men in a panel truck were arrested in Montreal when they were discovered to be in possession of a sawed-off shotgun and a communiqué announcing the kidnapping of the Israeli consul. One of them was a man named Jacques Lanctôt. In June, police raided a home in the small community of Prévost north of Montreal in the Laurentian mountains and found firearms, ammunition, 300 pounds (136 kg) of dynamite, detonators, and the draft of a ransom note to be used in the kidnapping of the American consul.

More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_crisis

 

[Said1]

A francophone caller to CBC Radio's Double Take is frustrated with English Canada. She says many Quebecers support the Front de libération du Québec manifesto and, even though she's not a violent person, she says the kidnappings could finally make Ottawa listen to francophone concerns. Out of respect she always addresses English speakers in English first, but says most anglophones don't return the courtesy.

She was also sick and tired of having to ask for service in french in Quebec. This sentiment still exists today, only no kidnappings.

http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-71-101-603/conflict_war/october_crisis/clip4