How interesting.... NORAAD

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: How interesting....

It isn't a secret that we have been riding the coat tails of American defence spending...

Riding the coat tails of US defense spending, yes. In a way. They pay to have the arms and aircraft designed and built, we buy some. So, you're right. Canada and the US cooperated in the Noraad system, with the DEW line installations, etc. It was a joint effort. And Canadians served and still do serve at Noraad headquarters; a neighbor of mine used to be deputy commander.

It wasn't a case of Canada sitting idly by, although the current philosophy in the US and also in the Canadian Conservative Party is to paint it that way. Unfortunately, that's not true.

However, if you rely on the US Republican Party for your information, I can see why you might believe it.

I'm not talking about a specific program....I'm talking about defence.

as in defense from any US attacks.......verbal and othewise??? :wink: Just like most of the US FORMER friends.....CA does not really trust the US now .

 

[ElPolaco]

RE: How interesting....

What was the only country ever to invade Canada?

Hint: Remember Chrysler's Farm.

 

[Toro]

Re: A note from Bush country

You guys are funnier than our own home grown Bush bashing liberals. You ARE right. We Americans are saps. We protected your impotent asses for over 50 years spending OUR tax dollars so you wouldn't have to. I can remember in the early sixties, my father having to go spend 6 months in Labrador TDY doing his part to keep the strategic umbrella over your lazy asses. I am sure that is 6 months of his life he wishes he had back. Don't kid yourselves, since 1945 you've been a willing colony of the US whether you want to believe it or not. Would the Commonwealth be able or willing to come help if the Russian Bear had decided they wanted your part of the Arctic Circle? Hardly. You guys might have bored them to death, but little else. Why don't we just move the border 300miles north and give the rest back to Inuit and call it a great step forward for liberalism. What? Do I hear the next Al Qaida bombs going off in Ontario? It will be interesting how you spin that to be Bush's fault.

I would like to welcome Mr. Patton to the forum. He's a welcome addition of reason and humour to this Leftist haven. Spot on, Mr. Patton. Keep posting and do so often.

As if the Americans need a plan to invade Canada. Considering all the cuts to the military over the past four decades to fund social programs, all the American army would have to do is stroll over the border with a couple hundred men and ask for directions.

 

[Jo Canadian]

Re: A note from Bush country

As if the Americans need a plan to invade Canada. Considering all the cuts to the military over the past four decades to fund social programs, all the American army would have to do is stroll over the border with a couple hundred men and ask for directions.

Careful man, I have a Cashe of unregeisered NerfTM guns in my basement from a military surplus. Be very very careful.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: How interesting....

It isn't a secret that we have been riding the coat tails of American defence spending...

Riding the coat tails of US defense spending, yes. In a way. They pay to have the arms and aircraft designed and built, we buy some. So, you're right. Canada and the US cooperated in the Noraad system, with the DEW line installations, etc. It was a joint effort. And Canadians served and still do serve at Noraad headquarters; a neighbor of mine used to be deputy commander.

It wasn't a case of Canada sitting idly by, although the current philosophy in the US and also in the Canadian Conservative Party is to paint it that way. Unfortunately, that's not true.

However, if you rely on the US Republican Party for your information, I can see why you might believe it.

I'm not talking about a specific program....I'm talking about defence.

as in defense from any US attacks.......verbal and othewise??? :wink: Just like most of the US FORMER friends.....CA does not really trust the US now .

Speaks volumes about Canada then. If this little bit of business is enough for us to be ungrateful for all that has been done...then it is a sad day.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Re: How interesting....

Considering all the cuts to the military over the past four decades to fund social programs, all the American army would have to do is stroll over the border with a couple hundred men and ask for directions.

Yeah, and you were going to cakewalk to Baghdad, too. What a crock of shit.

 

[ElPolaco]

Re: A note from Bush country

You guys are funnier than our own home grown Bush bashing liberals. You ARE right. We Americans are saps. We protected your impotent asses for over 50 years spending OUR tax dollars so you wouldn't have to. I can remember in the early sixties, my father having to go spend 6 months in Labrador TDY doing his part to keep the strategic umbrella over your lazy asses. I am sure that is 6 months of his life he wishes he had back. Don't kid yourselves, since 1945 you've been a willing colony of the US whether you want to believe it or not. Would the Commonwealth be able or willing to come help if the Russian Bear had decided they wanted your part of the Arctic Circle? Hardly. You guys might have bored them to death, but little else. Why don't we just move the border 300miles north and give the rest back to Inuit and call it a great step forward for liberalism. What? Do I hear the next Al Qaida bombs going off in Ontario? It will be interesting how you spin that to be Bush's fault.

I wasted one whole year of my life that I'll never get back again in Vietnam for all you self-congradulatory right wing imperialists. Please forgive me if I find it difficult to sympathize with your father.

 

[ElPolaco]

Re: How interesting....

Considering all the cuts to the military over the past four decades to fund social programs, all the American army would have to do is stroll over the border with a couple hundred men and ask for directions.

Yeah, and you were going to cakewalk to Baghdad, too. What a crock of shit.

That might be a good term now for the more arogant american nationalists who come on this forum: "cake walkers"

 

[Jo Canadian]

Re: A note from Bush country

Why don't we just move the border 300miles north and give the rest back to Inuit and call it a great step forward for liberalism.

Sorry man, we beat you to it. Nunavut was created 5 frickin years ago...Guess what? It's their land already. :lol: :lol:

You really need to lighten up and perhaps take some stress medication advice from Tom Cruise or something, not to mention the constant liberal witch hunt. Is that a new national pastime or something, now that the soviets are gone?

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: How interesting....

It isn't a secret that we have been riding the coat tails of American defence spending...

Riding the coat tails of US defense spending, yes. In a way. They pay to have the arms and aircraft designed and built, we buy some. So, you're right. Canada and the US cooperated in the Noraad system, with the DEW line installations, etc. It was a joint effort. And Canadians served and still do serve at Noraad headquarters; a neighbor of mine used to be deputy commander.

It wasn't a case of Canada sitting idly by, although the current philosophy in the US and also in the Canadian Conservative Party is to paint it that way. Unfortunately, that's not true.

However, if you rely on the US Republican Party for your information, I can see why you might believe it.

I'm not talking about a specific program....I'm talking about defence.

as in defense from any US attacks.......verbal and othewise??? :wink: Just like most of the US FORMER friends.....CA does not really trust the US now .

Speaks volumes about Canada then. If this little bit of business is enough for us to be ungrateful for all that has been done...then it is a sad day.

not at all. Things have changed, people are more skeptical.....and no one is obligated to "be grateful" forever. (or eternally "indebted" to the US. That is just a game that can be played......like guilt induction.) ......without adapting to the changes that have taken place. Whatever the US has done "for CA".......does not imply that they have a hold over Canada ........much as some would like to think so. Canada has helped the US a lot too. And will again should they be a dire need again. That is without question. .....but does not reduce the current skepticism.

 

[Jay]

RE: How interesting....

Some friend we are.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: How interesting....

A real friend tells the truth, Jay. That may not be acceptable south of the border just now, but it still makes us a better frined than the one who doesn't object.

 

[ElPolaco]

Re: RE: How interesting....

Some friend we are.

A good friend does not buy into his friend's psychosis, but remains by his side to help him overcome it.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: How interesting....

Also, real friends buy you beer.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: How interesting....

Some friend we are.

we are a better friend to them BECAUSE we are more honest /open ........then if we aquiesed and simply followed with an overly compliant "yes sir/ yes mam" nonsense. A true friend is not afraid to speak the truth from the heart , and still be there for same friend. A true friend does not play manipulative games (the way the USG does ) or is a turncoat once a friendship is no longer needed . One can criticize a fair bit about CA ....and be justified in doing so......constructively.......but CA is not hypocritical , and nor is it a fair weather friend. Just because it's neighbor to the south is paranoid and reads what it wants to read into things to suit its purpose......does not imply a "friend" is going to bend over backwards to APPEASE this dysfunctional neighbor/friend. Reality is that the US(G) has jerked CA around more than some wish to admit.....and that makes CA very tolerant of this kind of childish conduct. Blind "loyalty" does not equate true friendship. Honesty, trust, and truth does.

One can easily note that CA can handle a "friend" saying no to it a lot more maturely than its "friend " can. The so called "friend" seeks revenge in any devious way it can. .....verbal castigation, even threats. Remember the crap CA took for saying NO to the Iraq invasion??? Now , if one ones to talk about "friendship"....... those words and subsequent actions from the US are hardly those of a "friend". Has the US ever thanked CA for its assistance post 9-11 or for its efforts in Afganistan??? Of course not... the US (G) simply takes all this for granted as if it should be a "given". Sorry, not the case and most disrespectful. CA has every right to be cautious /skeptical of the US(G) as it is now .......and it is wise to be so. With the USG yesterdays "friend" is today's enemy...... so much wisdom is called for in dealing with them.

 

[TenPenny]

Re: RE: How interesting....

It isn't a secret that we have been riding the coat tails of American defence spending...

Riding the coat tails of US defense spending, yes. In a way. They pay to have the arms and aircraft designed and built, we buy some. So, you're right. Canada and the US cooperated in the Noraad system, with the DEW line installations, etc. It was a joint effort. And Canadians served and still do serve at Noraad headquarters; a neighbor of mine used to be deputy commander.

It wasn't a case of Canada sitting idly by, although the current philosophy in the US and also in the Canadian Conservative Party is to paint it that way. Unfortunately, that's not true.

However, if you rely on the US Republican Party for your information, I can see why you might believe it.

I'm not talking about a specific program....I'm talking about defence.

And I thought I gave an example that suggested that Canada doesn't simply rely on the US. I guess you don't consider NORAAD defense, then?

Jeezus, you're a strange one. Okay, then you can believe what you want. Fuck it, go make love to Ann Coulter while watching Fox News.

Christ almighty. Lick Donald Rumsfeld's bag, for all I care. You say something stupid, I suggest a way in which you aren't accurate, and you jump to a generalization.

Fuck it. That's enough of this shit for me. You guys can all go suck on your own defense.

I don't hate the US, I don't think everything Canada does is wonderful. But Jesus Christ, I'm tired of the Project for a New American Century telling everyone how bad Canada is. Fuck off and die.

 

[Outta here]

Re: RE: How interesting....

I wonder what their present plan is? They are far more dependent on us for energy now than they were in 1939.

looks to me like they're in full on implementation of their plan... they may be dependent on us for our resources, but they're working overtime on gaining access and rights to our resources.
I'm dead against war, but at least it's an honest reflection of intention.... the Americans have been playing a different game with us since the Hoover era, and it's all about snowing us with b*llsh*t while they're scheming and weasling their way right into the very fabric of our economy, resources and culture.

erm, ahem...cough cough - sorry 'bout that, didn't mean to go on a rant there, I'm not anti-American, but I sure am anti-Bush and his cronies!

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: How interesting....

It isn't a secret that we have been riding the coat tails of American defence spending...

Many people are of the opinion that the US prefers it that way...

...hmmm...I wonder why the Avro Arrow was scrapped in '59, anyway...

 

[Outta here]

Re: A note from Bush country

You guys are funnier than our own home grown Bush bashing liberals. You ARE right. We Americans are saps. We protected your impotent asses for over 50 years spending OUR tax dollars so you wouldn't have to.

Hi Keith,

Not to belabour the point here, but ummmm... have you noticed that we don't actually have a need to ride on America's military coattails? It's far more imperative for America to ensure Canada's well-being simply to ensure it's own safety... we are merely a gateway to America that needs to be guarded.... (which I really think Americans think we're too stupid to realize) and in America's ideal world, we'd be footing the bill while Bush (most recently) runs amok alienating nations willy nilly, plundering resources, making unholy alliances that blow up in his face (literally!!!) and then trying to get other countries (namely us) to fight the battles he picks! Then he (and by association, YOU) have the audacity to be affronted when the best we're willing to provide is help cleaning up after yourselves. Sheesh! See, we don't tend to go around p*ssing outher countries off as a rule, so in turn, they don't tend to want our blood. Now as for Al Queda casting their intentions our way, do ya think that'd be the case if we hadn't covered YOUR butts and provided much needed support in trying to help pick up the pieces you blew to sh*t all over the middle east? Had we just stayed home and minded our own business, as we are wont to do usually, we'd probably just be wishing you all the best, whilst tutting about the nasty repercussions your government keeps inflicting upon you...a gov't btw, that is not even legally elected, but is tolerated, therefore condoned as such by the American public.

later, neighbor.