How interesting.... NORAAD

[mrmom2]

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Hell I don't worry about US soldiers invading although are goverments have now signed an agreement that states if either one requests it they can send troops in 8O So look out ITN our troops could invade at any time

 

[LockJaw]

Re: How interesting....

The Dawes Plan for reparation payment would have kept Germany as a third world country for at least 60 years. Added to that, the US would have controlled all German banking...so in your opinion, bankrupting a country, and stealing their sovereignty is a noble act?

Lets see your proof.

Not to worry though, American investors were soon to arrive at a mutually beneficial solution...

Investors invest money in all kinds of things. The US was the richest country in the world at that time. We had the most money to invest therefore made biggest impact. We also invested in the Soviet Union. And in Britain. And in Canada. And in thousands of other things. So lets see a source that says the majority of US investment money went to building the Nazi war machine. Lets see a percentage.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

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No, no, no...you've got it all wrong ITN...I don't know where you got the idea that I live in fear of the US, or anything else...about the only thing I fear is monkeys, and I think the reasons are obvious...

 

[LockJaw]

Re: How interesting....

Vanni: I read all three of Lackjaw's (not a typo) posts. If he was slightly more competent he might manage to rise to the level of troll. Likely not though.

Advisor? What is that, like a moderator. If it is that thats great, this forum gets the impartial moderator award :roll:

 

[I think not]

Re: How interesting....

No, no, no...you've got it all wrong ITN...I don't know where you got the idea that I live in fear of the US, or anything else...about the only thing I fear is monkeys, and I think the reasons are obvious...

I'm glad you don't and you certainly shouldn't.

Easy with them monkeys Vanni

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: How interesting....

The Dawes Plan for reparation payment would have kept Germany as a third world country for at least 60 years. Added to that, the US would have controlled all German banking...so in your opinion, bankrupting a country, and stealing their sovereignty is a noble act?

Lets see your proof.

Weimar Republic

Stresemann's Golden Era (1923-1929)

Gustav Stresemann was Reichskanzler for a brief period in 1923 and served as Foreign Minister from 1923--1929. This period was a period of relative stability for the Weimar Republic where there were fewer uprisings and seemingly the beginnings of an economic recovery.

Stresemann's first move was to issue a new currency, the Rentenmark, to halt the extreme hyperinflation that was crippling German society and economy. It was successful in its aims as Stresemann repeatedly refused to issue more currency, the initial cause of the inflationary spiral. To further stabilise the economy he also reduced spending and bureaucracy as well as increasing taxes.

During this period the Dawes Plan was also created, tying reparations payments to Germany's ability to pay. Germany was admitted into the League of Nations, made agreements over her western border, signed a neutrality pact with Russia. and disarmament was brought to a halt. However this progress was funded by overseas loans, increasing the nation's debts, while overall trade was decreasing and unemployment rising.

The reforms which Stresemann put into place did not reform the underlying weaknesses of Weimar but merely gave the appearance of a stable democracy.

In 1929 Stresemann's death marked the end of the "Golden Era" of the Weimar Republic.

Investors invest money in all kinds of things. The US was the richest country in the world at that time. We had the most money to invest therefore made biggest impact. We also invested in the Soviet Union. And in Britain. And in Canada. And in thousands of other things. So lets see a source that says the majority of US investment money went to building the Nazi war machine. Lets see a percentage.

There were many American corporations that invested in, and traded with Germany during their rearmament, and all throughout the subsequent war...

A People's History of the United States

Making a Killing

One of the most influential players in financing Hitler's war industries was Brown Brothers Harriman. Prescott Bush, the current president's grandfather, was the managing director. Bush was also director of the Union Banking Corporation. The stock shares were owned by Bush, E. R.Harriman and three Nazi Nazi executives including Fritz Thyssen, one of Hitler's primary financiers. The U.S. government eventually confiscated the Nazi banking operations of Union Banking Corporation in which Bush was a director under the Trading with the Enemy Act.

Your sitting President comes from a long line of traitors to your country...so why are you not demanding preparation of Articles of Impeachment?

 

[LockJaw]

Re: How interesting....

You stated that the US wanted to a) bankrupt Germany, and b) steal their sovereignty. First of all Germany was bankrupt because of the war and the successive reparations demanded mostly by France and Britain. Second the Dawes plan was in response to Frances occupation of German lands that consisted of 80% of its steel and coal resources and industry. With that gone Germany would never be able to pay reparations. How is that for bankrupting a country and stealing their sovereignty. The Dawes plan was the best compromise to a bad situation. Why did Germany loan money from the US? Because the US was the only one willing to do so. Without that Germany would definitely have remained a third world country. That little article you had about Stresemann's Golden Era would have read much worse for Germany without the Dawes plan. About Americans financing Hitler’s war machine, yes much of what is claimed in that article is downright shameful, but at the same time it doesn’t represent the majority of American views at the time in the end less radical forces prevailed and the US contributed greatly to defeating the nazis and fascism. It should be a testament to social progression that the instances mentioned after WWII while bad, weren’t nearly as inherently evil. All countries the US, France, Russia, UK, Germany, etc were involved in the Iran-Iraq war. While the US has done some bad things in its history I believe the good things we have contributed to civilization far outstrip the bad.

 

[KeithPatton]

LOL Howdy from Texas...

LOL...You have to be kidding. The Canadian government might have a contingency plan to invade the US media... and seem to have implimented it (with attendant casualties) what with Peter Jennings, Pam Anderson (WIA), John Candy (KIA), Shania Twain, Margot Kidder (WIA)Bryan Adams, Donald Sutherland, Neve Campbell, Jeniffer Tilly, Graham Greene, Natasha Henstridge, Raymond Burr(KIA), Norm MacDonald (WIA), David Elliot, William Shatner, Patrick Doohan, Lorne Greene (KIA), Rich Little, Brendan Frazier, Keanu Reeves, Dave Thomas, Tom Green, Mathew Perry, Martin Short, Dan Aykroyd, Mike Myers, Howie Mandel, Jim Kerry, Kiefer Sutherland, PHil Hartman (KIA), Michael J. Fox (WIA), Leslie Nielsen, Jilliam Hennessy, alan Trebek, Robert Goulet, James Cameron, Lone Michaels, and others filling our airwaves, theaters, and televisions. Is this the Canadian equivalent of when the Cubans purged their prisons of inmates and sent them to the US or something more insidious? Is this a deliberate plan and campaign by the Canadian government to subvert the US from within, or just a way to free up space in Canadian nightclubs? I ask you, why is it so many Canadians are comedians? Could it be that you have to have a bloody good sense of humor to live there?
I have to say that I did like Saskatchewan and Alberta back when I was exploring for oil there. From the attitudes of folks out in the provinces toward Ottawa (can you say colonies?) they would be happy to become or 51, 52 and so on states. In any event, don't feel too threatened by those old plans, everyone had them. Today neither Canada or Great Britain pose much of threat to US world dominance. With respect to the oil, China is buying it up through long term contracts with your companies, so you stand to win win, when the bidding starts and the prices really climb. But you need to look at when you start being a net importer rather than an exporter, as G. Britain will be soon if not already.
Pricks? You bet, big swinging ones.....

 

[peapod]

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The Texas Hillbilly

(Sing along to the tune of Beverly Hillbillies)

Come and listen to my story 'bout a boy named Bush.
His IQ was zero and his head was up his tush.
He drank like a fish while he drove all about.
But that didn't matter 'cuz his daddy bailed him out.
DUI, that is.
Criminal record.
Cover-up.
Well, the first thing you know little Georgie goes to Yale.
He can't spell his name but they never let him fail.
He spends all his time hangin' out with student folk.
And that's when he learns how to snort a line of coke.
Blow, that is.
White gold.
Nose candy.
The next thing you know there's a war in Vietnam.
Kin folks say, "George, stay at home with Mom."
Let the common people get maimed and scarred.
We'll buy you a spot in the Texas Air Guard.
Cushy, that is.
Country clubs.
Nose candy.
Twenty years later George gets a little bored.
He trades in the booze, says that Jesus is his Lord.
He said, "Now the White House is the place I wanna be."
So he called his daddy's friends and they called the GOP.
Gun owners, that is.
Falwell.
Jesse Helms.
Come November 7, the election ran late.
Kin folks said "Jeb, give the boy your state!"
"Don't let those colored folks get into the polls."
So they put up barricades so they couldn't punch their holes.
Chads, that is.
Duval County.
Miami-Dade.
Before the votes were counted five Supremes stepped in.
Told all the voters "Hey, we want George to win."
"Stop counting votes!" was their solemn invocation.
And that's how George finally got his coronation.
Rigged, that is.
Illegitimate.
No moral authority.
Y'all come vote now.
Ya hear?

 

[Ocean Breeze]

RE: How interesting....

How interesting that the US does not seem to care so much for the ailing, disabled, or terminally ill.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/06/supremecourt/main699895.shtml


seems the priority is the "drug" issue ......and FEARS of more "drug" problems. Yet the "drug" problem in the US is doing quite nicely, thank you. Not sure there is any critical thinking involved in many of the bush's US decisions today. (sigh)

 

[no1important]

RE: How interesting....

They like fighting and starting wars instead. I guess they need it to keep their economy going for their rich buddy contractors to make more money and to keep the general public's mind off the real issues.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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They like fighting and starting wars instead

indeed :x


must give them a "heady" testosterone laden experience.

.........or something. A challenge to understand how a supposedly civilized nation could be so "WAR " oriented. Maybe technology has advanced far beyond the advancement of the humanoid. Humanoid is still in the primitive "war" mode......" protect/defend my cave" with clubs (guns) rather than talking things through in a civilized manner.


perplexing.

 

[KeithPatton]

A note from Bush country

You guys are funnier than our own home grown Bush bashing liberals. You ARE right. We Americans are saps. We protected your impotent asses for over 50 years spending OUR tax dollars so you wouldn't have to. I can remember in the early sixties, my father having to go spend 6 months in Labrador TDY doing his part to keep the strategic umbrella over your lazy asses. I am sure that is 6 months of his life he wishes he had back. Don't kid yourselves, since 1945 you've been a willing colony of the US whether you want to believe it or not. Would the Commonwealth be able or willing to come help if the Russian Bear had decided they wanted your part of the Arctic Circle? Hardly. You guys might have bored them to death, but little else. Why don't we just move the border 300miles north and give the rest back to Inuit and call it a great step forward for liberalism. What? Do I hear the next Al Qaida bombs going off in Ontario? It will be interesting how you spin that to be Bush's fault.

 

[TenPenny]

Re: A note from Bush country

You guys are funnier than our own home grown Bush bashing liberals. You ARE right. We Americans are saps. We protected your impotent asses for over 50 years spending OUR tax dollars so you wouldn't have to. I can remember in the early sixties, my father having to go spend 6 months in Labrador TDY doing his part to keep the strategic umbrella over your lazy asses. I am sure that is 6 months of his life he wishes he had back. Don't kid yourselves, since 1945 you've been a willing colony of the US whether you want to believe it or not. Would the Commonwealth be able or willing to come help if the Russian Bear had decided they wanted your part of the Arctic Circle? Hardly. You guys might have bored them to death, but little else. Why don't we just move the border 300miles north and give the rest back to Inuit and call it a great step forward for liberalism. What? Do I hear the next Al Qaida bombs going off in Ontario? It will be interesting how you spin that to be Bush's fault.

You obviously know nothing about NORAAD, or anything else to do with air defense, so I suggest you shut the F up. Your stupid, ill-informed comments prove you are an idiot.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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Oh good...here comes another one.

:roll:

 

[Jay]

RE: How interesting....

It isn't a secret that we have been riding the coat tails of American defence spending...

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: A note from Bush country

You guys are funnier than our own home grown Bush bashing liberals. You ARE right. We Americans are saps. We protected your impotent asses for over 50 years spending OUR tax dollars so you wouldn't have to. I can remember in the early sixties, my father having to go spend 6 months in Labrador TDY doing his part to keep the strategic umbrella over your lazy asses. I am sure that is 6 months of his life he wishes he had back. Don't kid yourselves, since 1945 you've been a willing colony of the US whether you want to believe it or not. Would the Commonwealth be able or willing to come help if the Russian Bear had decided they wanted your part of the Arctic Circle? Hardly. You guys might have bored them to death, but little else. Why don't we just move the border 300miles north and give the rest back to Inuit and call it a great step forward for liberalism. What? Do I hear the next Al Qaida bombs going off in Ontario? It will be interesting how you spin that to be Bush's fault.

You obviously know nothing about NORAAD, or anything else to do with air defense, so I suggest you shut the F up. Your stupid, ill-informed comments prove you are an idiot.

agree !! just more self serving grandiose crap from the US side. One would think that their arrogance would have been cut down a notch or two since their disastrous leader took over and caused so much havoc on this planet. Seems not. oh well. Keep bragging .........as you keep KILLING people. Not much different from the terrorists now.

It is remarks like that , that confirm the "stupidity" of many USers..... in most peoples minds.

 

[TenPenny]

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It isn't a secret that we have been riding the coat tails of American defence spending...

Riding the coat tails of US defense spending, yes. In a way. They pay to have the arms and aircraft designed and built, we buy some. So, you're right. Canada and the US cooperated in the Noraad system, with the DEW line installations, etc. It was a joint effort. And Canadians served and still do serve at Noraad headquarters; a neighbor of mine used to be deputy commander.

It wasn't a case of Canada sitting idly by, although the current philosophy in the US and also in the Canadian Conservative Party is to paint it that way. Unfortunately, that's not true.

However, if you rely on the US Republican Party for your information, I can see why you might believe it.

 

[mrmom2]

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Who exactly have you been protesting us from :? What a crock of shit your country has caused this bullshit not ours idiot wake up

 

[Jay]

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It isn't a secret that we have been riding the coat tails of American defence spending...

Riding the coat tails of US defense spending, yes. In a way. They pay to have the arms and aircraft designed and built, we buy some. So, you're right. Canada and the US cooperated in the Noraad system, with the DEW line installations, etc. It was a joint effort. And Canadians served and still do serve at Noraad headquarters; a neighbor of mine used to be deputy commander.

It wasn't a case of Canada sitting idly by, although the current philosophy in the US and also in the Canadian Conservative Party is to paint it that way. Unfortunately, that's not true.

However, if you rely on the US Republican Party for your information, I can see why you might believe it.

I'm not talking about a specific program....I'm talking about defence.