How Far Will The West Be Pushed?
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hehehe. I guess if you can't face reality, you may as well join the rest of the delusionals out there.No It's OK. Everybody, almost, is that serious here. It's normal.
p.s. I think i'll join them too.:lol:
A strategic nuclear strike on hardened key military targets makes sense. Much beyond that is madness.
If it goes to nuclear war...we all lose. If it ends up in war, we still all lose. Solving this in any way possible without having mass numbers of people die is within everyones best interests, I believe.
What ever happened with nuclear non proliferation? It seems to be an idea that died with Clinton.
Hell no, I says blacket the whole Middle East with a huge motherf**king radiation cloud.
Hopefully it will set off a world wide nuclear war, this should wipe out the entire human race.
We humans as the dominant species of the planet were given and f**king lost the chance to make this planet a better place.
I says give some other species the chance.
Humanity is too f**ked up and should be wipe out.
Remember the Scilian from "The Princess Bride" he said "Not to get involved in a land war in Asia". Good advice. Hitler tried and lost. Napoleon tried and lost. The British Empire ended at the Khyber Pass. I myself don't want to breathe in radioactive dusts from half a world away. Don't worry the Isrealis will never allow Iran the bomb and will take action.
It should also be noted that surveys taken in Europe and throughout the world all reach the same conclusion: that it is Israel, not Iran, that is the world's biggest threat to world peace. Therefore, if the West is being "pushed" at all, it certainly is not being pushed by Iran.
Of course a few well placed nukes to show the world "we are serious here! this isn't anarchy, if everybody doesn't behave then people will start shooting!" might actually reduce deaths if people actually fear their actions might have reprocussions when they commit warcrimes and commit aggresive acts against their neighours.
Or, you know, end up in a clandestine arms race at breakneck speeds trying to develop a weapon to fight back with, then panic and launch it off fearing your enemies are about to do the same, leading to a worldwide armageddon.
Either or really.
Or, you know, end up in a clandestine arms race at breakneck speeds trying to develop a weapon to fight back with, then panic and launch it off fearing your enemies are about to do the same, leading to a worldwide armageddon.
Either or really.
Looks like some people are buying the same BS as they did before the Iraq invasion. If Iran is so war like perhaps you can list the countries Iran has invaded in recent history. I can't think of any.
How about the US and Israel? Do these countries have any record of invading other countries? Are either of these countries deceptive or known to make up reasons for invading other countries?
Europeans see the US more objectively than Americans and Canadians do. Here is what they think:
By the way, Ahmadinejad's infamous quote about wiping Israel off the map is more BS like Iraq's WMDs and Hussein being involved in 9/11. His speech was in Farsi and the English translation most people know isn't accurate or in context.
If Iran is ready to talk, the US must do so unconditionally
Ahmadinejad never said Israel should be "wiped off the map".
by Jonathan Steele
Global Research, June 3, 2006
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It is absurd to demand that Tehran should have made concessions before sitting down with the Americans
It is 50 years since the greatest misquotation of the cold war. At a Kremlin reception for western ambassadors in 1956, the Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev announced: "We will bury you." Those four words were seized on by American hawks as proof of aggressive Soviet intent.
Doves who pointed out that the full quotation gave a less threatening message were drowned out. Khrushchev had actually said: "Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you." It was a harmless boast about socialism's eventual victory in the ideological competition with capitalism. He was not talking about war.
Now we face a similar propaganda distortion of remarks by Iran's president. Ask anyone in Washington, London or Tel Aviv if they can cite any phrase uttered by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the chances are high they will say he wants Israel "wiped off the map".
Again it is four short words, though the distortion is worse than in the Khrushchev case. The remarks are not out of context. They are wrong, pure and simple. Ahmadinejad never said them. Farsi speakers have pointed out that he was mistranslated. The Iranian president was quoting an ancient statement by Iran's first Islamist leader, the late Ayatollah Khomeini, that "this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time" just as the Shah's regime in Iran had vanished.
He was not making a military threat. He was calling for an end to the occupation of Jerusalem at some point in the future. The "page of time" phrase suggests he did not expect it to happen soon. There was no implication that either Khomeini, when he first made the statement, or Ahmadinejad, in repeating it, felt it was imminent, or that Iran would be involved in bringing it about.
But the propaganda damage was done, and western hawks bracket the Iranian president with Hitler as though he wants to exterminate Jews. At the recent annual convention of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a powerful lobby group, huge screens switched between pictures of Ahmadinejad making the false "wiping off the map" statement and a ranting Hitler. Misquoting Ahmadinejad is worse than taking Khrushchev out of context for a second reason. Although the Soviet Union had a collective leadership, the pudgy Russian was the undoubted No 1 figure, particularly on foreign policy. The Iranian president is not. His predecessor, Mohammad Khatami, was seen in the west as a moderate reformer, and during his eight years in office western politicians regularly lamented the fact that he was not Iran's top decision-maker. Ultimate power lay with the conservative unelected supreme leader Ayatollah Khamenei. Yet now that Ahmadinejad is president, western hawks behave as though he is in charge, when in fact nothing has changed. Ahmadinejad is not the only important voice in Tehran. Indeed Khamenei was quick to try to adjust the misperceptions of Ahmadinejad's comments. A few days after the president made them, Khamenei said Iran "will not commit aggression against any nation"....
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=STE20060603&articleId=2567
Good. It just means that the rest of the world are appeasers of Iran.
If the world was run by Canada, Germany and France we'd all be living undr Sharia law now and be hanged from cranes for stealing a loaf of bread.
Appeasers? Peace comes from tolerance and compromise. We should be looking for win-win resolutions. War is always a lose-lose situation even when our leaders tell us we won.
The world will not implode itself.
But we will have another World War soon.
France, Canada, Belgium, Holland, Spain, etc. are appeasers of the enemy.
Lets take a page from history: what happened when we appease Germany.
hmmm
hmmm
They rose up.
The USA is taking a page from history and is not going to appease Iran, and rightly so.
Hopefull Bush and Blair get the Iran War underway before they are out of office, then when the '08 elections happen the Democrats won't be able to pull the plug on 2 wars!
But we will have another World War soon.
France, Canada, Belgium, Holland, Spain, etc. are appeasers of the enemy.
Lets take a page from history: what happened when we appease Germany.
hmmm
hmmm
They rose up.
The USA is taking a page from history and is not going to appease Iran, and rightly so.
Hopefull Bush and Blair get the Iran War underway before they are out of office, then when the '08 elections happen the Democrats won't be able to pull the plug on 2 wars!
Actually, it's time for the world to stop appeasing Bush. Now that the Senate has finally decided to demand a withdrawal, it looks as if they will accede to the majority of the population's demand for peace.
77 % of the USA say, NO MORE WAR!
77 % of the USA say, NO MORE WAR!