How England's north-south divide began with the Vikings

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England's north-south divide began with the Vikings more than 1,000 years ago, an archaeological expert has claimed in a new book.

Archaeologist Max Adams said the Watford Gap, one of the country's best known service stations that is widely viewed as the dividing point between the north and south, became a key boundary when the Vikings invaded Britain...

How England's north-south divide began with the VIKINGS: Expert says Watford Gap became a key boundary 1,000 years ago when invaders stopped at Northamptonshire border

England's north-south divide began with the Vikings more than 1,000 years ago
Max Adams said it became a key boundary when the Vikings invaded Britain

He was struck by the absence of Scandinavian place names south-west of A5


By Thomas Burrows for MailOnline
16 October 2017

England's north-south divide began with the Vikings more than 1,000 years ago, an archaeological expert has claimed in a new book.

Archaeologist Max Adams said the Watford Gap, one of the country's best known service stations that is widely viewed as the dividing point between the north and south, became a key boundary when the Vikings invaded Britain.

While working on his new book Ælfred's Britain: War and Peace in the Viking Age, Mr Adams discovered there were very few Scandinavian place names south-west of Watling Street, the Roman road that became the A5.


England's north-south divide began with the Vikings more than 1,000 years ago, a new book has claimed


He told MailOnline: 'When the Vikings invaded, they attempted to conquer all of southern Britain but were held on the Watling Street line by Alfred (871-899).

'Almost all the Scandinavian place names, the evidence of their settlements, occur north-east of Watling Street. And I think they were reasonably happy with that because it meant that all the rivers in their lands - the so-called Danelaw - faced either the North Sea (and home) or the Irish Sea (and Viking Dublin).

'That line is still a linguistic divide and, when the M1 was first built in 1959, it ended at Crick (Junction 18 ), close to the village of Watford.

'Here there was a pub called The Watford Gap and here is the terminal service station on the original M1. The signs on the motorway here say The North.

'So far as I know, the idea that the Watford Gap is the divide between north and south dates from this time. But the reality is that it goes back to the Viking period and beyond.'

Archaeologist Max Adams said the Watford Gap became a key boundary when the Vikings invaded Britain

He also spotted the river sources.

He said: 'The geography of England is such that there is a natural watershed, on either side of which the rivers run north and on the other they run south. So, Thames, Severn and Avon run south, while the Trent, Nene and Great Ouse run the other way.

'The Romans, making a bee-line from Londinium to the important new town of Viroconium (Wroxeter, Shropshire), rationalised that line by building Watling Street so that it crossed the fewest number of large rivers.

'In the Viking Period Watling Street became a boundary for a treaty between King Alfred and the Viking leader Guthrum. Connecting the West Midlands with the south-east, it runs through a narrow pass between hills, the Watford Gap.'

Anglo-Saxon kings later secured that line and made it a frontier in the early 10th-century reigns of Eadweard the Elder and his sister Æthelflæd.

He said: 'In a sense, they reinforced the reality of that piece of geography and it seems to have been with us ever since...it's a joke with a very old reality attached to it.'


When the M1 was built in 1959 the Watford Gap was its end point and it has been recognised as the dividing point between the north and south of England ever since


When the M1 was built in 1959 the Watford Gap was its end point and it has been recognised as the dividing point between the north and south of England ever since.

In 2009 a new signpost was installed at Watford Gap services, marking the perceived north-south boundary.

It was erected as part of the celebrations of the M1's 50th anniversary - and also that of the service station.

Previously called The Blue Boar, the service station is said to have received so many famous guests over the years that Jimi Hendrix mistook it for a London nightclub as it was mentioned so often by his contemporaries.

In studying how the Vikings travelled across Britain, the archaeologist also put together a Tube map of Viking Britain.

The new book by Adams is due out on November 2.


 
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Do they know all of this due to the preponderance of Ikea flat pack instruction sheets in the archaeology?
 

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Do they know all of this due to the preponderance of Ikea flat pack instruction sheets in the archaeology?

No. It's because the North of England - particularly the four Yorkshires - has a preponderance of placenames of Viking origin, such as those ending in "-by" and "-thorpe" whereas the South of England has few such placenames.
 

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The Germans are very concerned about exactly which flavor of Germans they are.

The Vikings weren't Germans. They came from the area we now call Scandinavia. Some people consider the UK to be part of Scandinavia.
 

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No. It's because the North of England - particularly the four Yorkshires - has a preponderance of placenames of Viking origin, such as those ending in "-by" and "-thorpe" whereas the South of England has few such placenames.

Does the Genome map of the UK reflect that or were the Vikings just transients like the Romans turned out to be in the genetic evidence?
 

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Division?...That's why you have place names like Yourk and OurK
 

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Does the Genome map of the UK reflect that or were the Vikings just transients like the Romans turned out to be in the genetic evidence?

There is no obvious genetic signature of the Danish Vikings, who controlled large parts of England ('The Danelaw') from the 9th century.

The majority of eastern, central and southern England is made up of a single, relatively homogeneous, genetic group with a significant DNA contribution from Anglo-Saxon migrations (10-40% of total ancestry). This settles a historical controversy in showing that the Anglo-Saxons intermarried with, rather than replaced, the existing populations.



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That cluster in West Yorkshire of "other" might be evidence of the Norse or maybe of something much older. It seems as if the Vikings came to plunder and enslave but they didn't mix with the natives, much.
 

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Popular histories are most often completely unreliable, the older the periods the dimmer the picture. A thousand years might as well be a million books and records in general for that time period are nonexistant.
 

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That cluster in West Yorkshire of "other" might be evidence of the Norse or maybe of something much older. It seems as if the Vikings came to plunder and enslave but they didn't mix with the natives, much.

Our DNA map matches that of our ancient kingdoms:

Just who are we? What defines us, the people of this island nation? Is there such a thing as Britishness? Or, though it may sound like something from Game of Thrones, might you have more in common with the subjects of the Kingdom of Dalriada than the people of Cornwall?

The answer, it turns out, is in our genes. A pioneering new project, which I have led with Sir Walter Bodmer, has traced the heritage of Britain’s DNA and shown how it has it filtered down – remarkably unchanged – region by region, for century after century.

The results are astonishing. They show how Britons in different parts of the country have evolved in relative isolation, for a combination of geographical, cultural, and linguistic reasons, over huge periods of time. We may think of the modern era as one of unrivalled mobility, but for much of our history Britons have proved champions at staying put.

One distinct genetic group can only be seen in what is now West Yorkshire. This is deeply puzzling. But the historians and archaeologists in our project eventually worked out that after the decline of the Roman Empire there was a Celtic Kingdom, called Elmet, exactly in this region. It seems the genetic patterns we see today have been shaped by the geopolitical landscape of millennia gone by.

Another Celtic Kingdom, Rheged, matched a genetic group in modern Cumbria. There were also separate Celtic Kingdoms at that time in North and South Wales (Gwynedd and Dyfed), where we found different genetic groups.

As for the Kingdom of Dalriada, which flourished in 550AD in what is now Northern Ireland and Western Scotland, we found a contemporary genetic group matching that, too.


The secret history of Britain is written in our genes - Telegraph

In other words, the modern British are still divided into their ancient tribes.
 

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Canuts had a loser brother named Canots...not many have heard of him
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he was the guy who never did anything wrong because he never did anything
 

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Our DNA map matches that of our ancient kingdoms:

Just who are we? What defines us, the people of this island nation? Is there such a thing as Britishness? Or, though it may sound like something from Game of Thrones, might you have more in common with the subjects of the Kingdom of Dalriada than the people of Cornwall?

The answer, it turns out, is in our genes. A pioneering new project, which I have led with Sir Walter Bodmer, has traced the heritage of Britain’s DNA and shown how it has it filtered down – remarkably unchanged – region by region, for century after century.

The results are astonishing. They show how Britons in different parts of the country have evolved in relative isolation, for a combination of geographical, cultural, and linguistic reasons, over huge periods of time. We may think of the modern era as one of unrivalled mobility, but for much of our history Britons have proved champions at staying put.

One distinct genetic group can only be seen in what is now West Yorkshire. This is deeply puzzling. But the historians and archaeologists in our project eventually worked out that after the decline of the Roman Empire there was a Celtic Kingdom, called Elmet, exactly in this region. It seems the genetic patterns we see today have been shaped by the geopolitical landscape of millennia gone by.

Another Celtic Kingdom, Rheged, matched a genetic group in modern Cumbria. There were also separate Celtic Kingdoms at that time in North and South Wales (Gwynedd and Dyfed), where we found different genetic groups.

As for the Kingdom of Dalriada, which flourished in 550AD in what is now Northern Ireland and Western Scotland, we found a contemporary genetic group matching that, too.


The secret history of Britain is written in our genes - Telegraph

In other words, the modern British are still divided into their ancient tribes.

Mine come from Cornwall, Northeast Wales and Pictish Perthshire ... aboriginal, all.