How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

[look3467]

I think your manners are superior and your knowledge of the bible is far superior to anybody else's around here. I think a lot of people have a lot of problem with people of superior intelligence such as you and me. Keep up the good work. I admire a guy that can keep it off of a personal level and address all the nastiness that is thrown at him.

respectfully, lieexpsr.

Imagine? A well established Jesus bent, soul saved, and a non-believer having respect and honoring each others beliefs without so much as a hint of condemnation either way!

Now there is a lesson not being learned in there somewhere that sure is lacking amongst the religious kind.

Thanks for the up lift. It can get lonely when love is being dispensed and none returned.

My God bless you,

AJ

 

[lieexpsr]

Imagine? A well established Jesus bent, soul saved, and a non-believer having respect and honoring each others beliefs without so much as a hint of condemnation either way!

Now there is a lesson not being learned in there somewhere that sure is lacking amongst the religious kind.

Thanks for the up lift. It can get lonely when love is being dispensed and none returned.

My God bless you,

AJ

You're welcome! We don't have to agree and I suppose we never will. But we can be respecful toward each other without attacking each other personally. You may at some time in the future hear me attack your ideas because they are not consistent with my own but I will still respect you and your ability to elucidate your feelings. I only wish others could do the same. You must be familiar by now of the vicious hateful attack I received on my rep thing. I can only pity a person who has to stoop to such a disgraceful level. And that's a person who calls her/himself a Christian???????

 

[look3467]

The following scripture verses illustrate the Apostolic Succession of the Catholic Church and the establishment of the ministerial priesthood – Overseers/Bishops (episcopoi), Elders/Prebyters/Priests (presbuteroi), Deacons(diakunoi) – through the actions and writings of the early Christians.

Acts 1:15-26
In those days Peter stood up among the believers (a group numbering about a hundred and twenty) and said, "Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through the mouth of David concerning Judas, who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus—he was one of our number and shared in this ministry." (With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out. Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.) "For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms, " 'May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in it,' and, " 'May another take his place of leadership.' Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, beginning from John's baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection." So they proposed two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias. Then they prayed, "Lord, you know everyone's heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs." Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.

Acts 14:13-15
The priest of Zeus, whose temple was just outside the city, brought bulls and wreaths to the city gates because he and the crowd wanted to offer sacrifices to them. But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, they tore their clothes and rushed out into the crowd, shouting: "Men, why are you doing this? We too are only men, human like you.

Acts 14:23
Paul and Barnabas appointed elders for them in each church and, with prayer and fasting, committed them to the Lord, in whom they had put their trust.

Acts 20:28
Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

1 Corinthians 12:27-31
Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers,

Ephesians 2:19-21
Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.

Ephesians 4:11-13
It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

1 Timothy 3:1, 8
Here is a trustworthy saying: If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer, he desires a noble task. … Deacons, likewise, are to be men worthy of respect, sincere, not indulging in much wine, and not pursuing dishonest gain.

1 Timothy 4:13-14
Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to preaching and to teaching. Do not neglect your gift, which was given you through a prophetic message when the body of elders laid their hands on you.

1 Timothy 5:17-22
The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching.

2 Timothy 2:1-2
You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable men who will also be qualified to teach others.

Titus 1:5
The reason I left you in Crete was that you might straighten out what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you.

2 Peter 1:12-15
So I will always remind you of these things, even though you know them and are firmly established in the truth you now have. I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body, because I know that I will soon put it aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. And I will make every effort to see that after my departure you will always be able to remember these things.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

You have shown yourself approved unto God by the very verses you quoted.

Now this is what I have to say: God wants no one to lord over a brother or sister, for God alone is the Lord.

The old creation structure required priests to preside in the place of mediator between God and the people.

But Christ came, closed out the old structure and replaced it with a new one.

Hence the start of Christianity. (Christ like)

Christ Himself became our personal High Priest sitted at the right hand of God, the mediator between heaven and earth.

The priestly attire and physical work of the sacrifice was the old structure as required.

But Jesus being the once and for all sacrifice, ended that old structure and instituted the new structure, and that of a direct link to the Father via Jesus via the Holy Spirit.

The old was an outward physical practice, where as the new , an inner practice of the heart.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

You're welcome! We don't have to agree and I suppose we never will. But we can be respecful toward each other without attacking each other personally. You may at some time in the future hear me attack your ideas because they are not consistent with my own but I will still respect you and your ability to elucidate your feelings. I only wish others could do the same. You must be familiar by now of the vicious hateful attack I received on my rep thing. I can only pity a person who has to stoop to such a disgraceful level. And that's a person who calls her/himself a Christian???????

There is one thing for sure, we all have in common, and that is the ability to love.
There are no contradictions to that statement.

Why then do some hate? Because we all have the same ability to do evil! And, there are no contradictions to that either.

We then have a choice. Which of the two shall we practice?

Points of reference: Love is of God, evil is of mankind.

To love is to exercise a Godly attribute.
To hate is to exercise a human attribute.

I want to demonstrate a love attitude. That by practice makes me Godly.

Ungodly attitude will demonstrate to be evil.

Your thoughts lieexpsr?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

If we are to win over the world to God, then by golly, lets demostrate a form of Godliness.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[lieexpsr]

* I attempted to intersperse my comments with yours and when I tried to post it gave me a message: Not enough characters. LOL I'm not toatlly familiar with this format yet. Therefore you will have to put your questions back in the spaces. Sorry but I thought a timely reply would be better than leaving it until tomorrow.
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Absolutely not, and I can love as deeply and sincerely as an atheist as you can as a Christian.
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I think that what we are experiencing here on this forum is not truly hate. At least I hope not. If one hates another for his/her opinion then the hater is sick. I wouldn't go so far as to say that anyone here is sick. Just emotional when their beliefs are challenged perhaps from my POV. From your POV it may be that they resent your knowledge and how you coolheadedly respond with love toward their ranting. I'm sure you can think of a few who do that.
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I am not capable of loving at all times and I suspect that neither are you. Sometimes when I am attacked by another I have to attack back in kind. That's m weakness.

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I'm sorry but IMHO we can love without knowing God. If that is what you mean then we have to disagree on that point.

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I undetstand and your ability to practice love against the odds of certain people on this thread is admirable. I'm afraid I don't have quite that capability.
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My attitude could certainly be referred to as ungodly IMO. But then again, even though I don't believe in God, my everyday actions should still be consistent with yours and as right and honourable as yours or any other practicing Christian who is not just a hypocrite and a Christian in name only. Therefore I can feel that my attitude emulates the attitude of even sanctus, who his supporters would probably say is the most Godly person on this forum. Yet in my opinion he condones evil and I have explained how I rationalize my opposition to his beliefs when it comes to the birth control issue in Africa and other countries. Simply and concisely put for you, their professing to be Christians doesn't make them good people. One of them here has even demonstrated his/her inability to show love to others by lashing out at her opponents in a very nasty way.

Therefore, if one chooses to call my attitude ungodly, they can rightly do so, but they can't apply it to a propensity for evil.

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[look3467]

* I attempted to intersperse my comments with yours and when I tried to post it gave me a message: Not enough characters. LOL I'm not toatlly familiar with this format yet. Therefore you will have to put your questions back in the spaces. Sorry but I thought a timely reply would be better than leaving it until tomorrow.


I have and thanks for the quick response. I'm in blue.


* There is one thing for sure, we all have in common, and that is the ability to love.
There are no contradictions to that statement.
Absolutely not, and I can love as deeply and sincerely as an atheist as you can as a Christian.

* Why then do some hate? Because we all have the same ability to do evil! And, there are no contradictions to that either.
I think that what we are experiencing here on this forum is not truly hate. At least I hope not. If one hates another for his/her opinion then the hater is sick. I wouldn't go so far as to say that anyone here is sick. Just emotional when their beliefs are challenged perhaps from my POV. From your POV it may be that they resent your knowledge and how you coolheadedly respond with love toward their ranting. I'm sure you can think of a few who do that.

* We then have a choice. Which of the two shall we practice?
I am not capable of loving at all times and I suspect that neither are you. Sometimes when I am attacked by another I have to attack back in kind. That's m weakness.

*Points of reference: Love is of God, evil is of mankind.
I'm sorry but IMHO we can love without knowing God. If that is what you mean then we have to disagree on that point.

* To love is to exercise a Godly attribute.
I understand and your ability to practice love against the odds of certain people on this thread is admirable. I'm afraid I don't have quite that capability.

* To hate is to exercise a human attribute
I want to demonstrate a love attitude. That by practice makes me Godly.

Ungodly attitude will demonstrate to be evil

My attitude could certainly be referred to as ungodly IMO. But then again, even though I don't believe in God, my everyday actions should still be consistent with yours and as right and honorable as yours or any other practicing Christian who is not just a hypocrite and a Christian in name only. Therefore I can feel that my attitude emulates the attitude of even sanctus, who his supporters would probably say is the most Godly person on this forum. Yet in my opinion he condones evil and I have explained how I rationalize my opposition to his beliefs when it comes to the birth control issue in Africa and other countries. Simply and concisely put for you, their professing to be Christians doesn't make them good people. One of them here has even demonstrated his/her inability to show love to others by lashing out at her opponents in a very nasty way.

Therefore, if one chooses to call my attitude ungodly, they can rightly do so, but they can't apply it to a propensity for evil.

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[look3467]

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Absolutely not, and I can love as deeply and sincerely as an atheist as you can as a Christian.
The ability to love on the human level falls short of pure love because of the position that we are placed in. Everything earthly is short of perfection. Hence we are found wanting.
There must by necessity be an element foreign to our selves that are of greater value and perfect, mixed in with our love to buster it up to perfection.

I think that what we are experiencing here on this forum is not truly hate. At least I hope not. If one hates another for his/her opinion then the hater is sick. I wouldn't go so far as to say that anyone here is sick. Just emotional when their beliefs are challenged perhaps from my POV. From your POV it may be that they resent your knowledge and how you coolheadedly respond with love toward their ranting. I'm sure you can think of a few who do that.
When I used the word hate, I was using it in a general term, for there are variations of hate, from mild to extreme. A word spoken in hate is just as deadly as if an action was taken.
Therefore, we must guard how we use our words. But it is said that out of the heart proceeded good or evil. So, words used are the intentions of the heart.

I am not capable of loving at all times and I suspect that neither are you. Sometimes when I am attacked by another I have to attack back in kind. That's m weakness.
I agree that we both fit the same category as far as the flesh is concerned.
But again, I can surpass the desires of the flesh to retaliate by enlisting the help of that purer and perfect element, and become victorious.
A point that you might not be able to acquire to be victorious, unless of course, you believed in that higher element.

I'm sorry but IMHO we can love without knowing God. If that is what you mean then we have to disagree on that point.
Perfectly: understood. You and I are capable of loving without God, but to a point only, and that is to the degree we can forgive. How much can we endure without Gods help is left up to the individual own strength.

I understand and your ability to practice love against the odds of certain people on this thread is admirable. I'm afraid I don't have quite that capability.
Left off to me, I would tell them where to get off, but since I am submitting to a more purer, perfect element, (God) my desires than become His, and He gives me strength to forgive every grievance against me not for my benefit, but for theirs.

It is in forgiveness that hearts are won.

My attitude could certainly be referred to as ungodly IMO. But then again, even though I don't believe in God, my everyday actions should still be consistent with yours and as right and honorable as yours or any other practicing Christian who is not just a hypocrite and a Christian in name only. Therefore I can feel that my attitude emulates the attitude of even sanctus, who his supporters would probably say is the most Godly person on this forum. Yet in my opinion he condones evil and I have explained how I rationalize my opposition to his beliefs when it comes to the birth control issue in Africa and other countries. Simply and concisely put for you, their professing to be Christians doesn't make them good people. One of them here has even demonstrated his/her inability to show love to others by lashing out at her opponents in a very nasty way.

Therefore, if one chooses to call my attitude ungodly, they can rightly do so, but they can't apply it to a propensity for evil.

What you have described there is called a witness. If one claims to love because the entity they subscribe to teaches it, then if they fail to do so, they have given a bad witness to it.
Therefore, if one is going to claim a deities attributes, one must strive to give good witness to it.
But understanding that the flesh is weak and limited, and having the strength in spirit of the deity espoused, one can forgive beyond and love beyond our own capabilities despite their weaknesses.
My strength then is in Jesus, to love and to forgive beyond what I can endure, for He will lift me up and carry me when I am about to fail.

I fully respect your right to believe as you wish, but I can attest to a greater power working in me by my very words and actions in the arena of hate.

There, there is where love is born, in the midst of chaos and confusion, bringing stability to a lost world.
Lost: to the knowledge of that powerful source of strength, love, and forgiveness.

Again thank you for the opportunity to dialog with you.

Respectfully>>> AJ:love9:

 

[mapleleafgirl]

The Church is constant in its teachings on Scriptures. Those other bodies are not, which is why, as I said, self-interpretation without guidance, by a sect or an individual, ir prone to error. One only has to read, with respect, AJ's interpretations to see the error of not being in accordance with a central system of belief.

that is true in my opinion. its one of the main reasons i wanted to go to the catholic church. i did allot of searching and it just seems to me that if youre gonna be a christian it makes sense to go with the original church. anyway, its kinda funny cos what helped me in my decision was some of the wacked stuff aj wrote here on this thread

 

[mapleleafgirl]

To be polite, nonsense. Salvation is a free gift, but in a sense, we can return that gift. Christ calls, and it is up to us to listen and respond, or not. Salvation is not a one time thing which promises a forever place in Heaven regardless of your behaviour. If all one had to do was "receive Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour", as the heresy goes, one wonders why anything else at all would be necessary? The faith is filled with tales of men and women who have renounced Christ and His Church, have adapted the ways of the world or have turned to satanic systems of belief. .

that makes sense. so christ always has the door open, but we can walk out again back to sinfulness. is that about the gist of this?

 

[sanctus]

that makes sense. so christ always has the door open, but we can walk out again back to sinfulness. is that about the gist of this?

There is an erroneous protestant teaching common amongst many people refer to as "once saved-always saved".Peter warns us that false prophets and teachers would arise among the people (2 Peter 2:1). What makes this passage interesting is that these “false prophets” were described as having been “bought” by Christ.

This is language that Scripture uses to describe what happens when we become children of God. “But when the time had fully come, God sent forth His Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem [the Greek literally reads "to buy up"] those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, ‘Abba! Father!’ So through God you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son then an heir” (Galatians 4:4-7). Only regenerate believers are referred to as having been “bought” or "purchased" by God (Acts 20:28; 1Corinthians 6:20; 7:23). This should help you to understand that salvation is not a one-time sure thing.

Not only are these teachers referred to as “false prophets,” but to make matters worse for those that believe in eternal security, they are explicitly said to be “bringing swift destruction on themselves.” To top it off, Peter adds: “For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overpowered, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. It has happened to them according to the true proverb, The dog turns back to his own vomit, and the sow is washed only to wallow in the mire” (2Peters 2:20-22). These former believers turned false prophets not only were bought by Christ but also knew Christ as "Lord and Saviour"!

 

[look3467]

that is true in my opinion. its one of the main reasons i wanted to go to the catholic church. i did allot of searching and it just seems to me that if youre gonna be a christian it makes sense to go with the original church. anyway, its kinda funny cos what helped me in my decision was some of the wacked stuff aj wrote here on this thread

I for one am glad that you decided to go to church. Your convictions have become stronger for the Lord and you are indicating a desire to please Him.
Who is for the Lord, I am not against.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

There is an erroneous protestant teaching common amongst many people refer to as "once saved-always saved".Peter warns us that false prophets and teachers would arise among the people (2 Peter 2:1). What makes this passage interesting is that these “false prophets” were described as having been “bought” by Christ.

It is only erroneous as per the Catholic Church teachings.

This is language that Scripture uses to describe what happens when we become children of God. “But when the time had fully come, God sent forth His Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem [the Greek literally reads "to buy up"] those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, ‘Abba! Father!’ So through God you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son then an heir” (Galatians 4:4-7).

Based on your above quote on that scripture verse, are you a son? If No, how can you become a son? And if yes, can you be unborn from being His son because of sin?

Is it not true that Jesus paid the price for our redemption? It did come with a cost? So it is a purchase then right?

You than explain that we are bought (Past tense) already purchased right?

So how many times must Jesus have to be crucified if we are going to be in and out of salvation?

Did not Jesus die once? And for all?

Where then is the security of the believer if he has to rely on his own merits to remain saved? Does that not negate the purpose for the gift?

Have you any children? If so, can they become unborn to not be your children?

Only regenerate believers are referred to as having been “bought” or "purchased" by God (Acts 20:28; 1Corinthians 6:20; 7:23). This should help you to understand that salvation is not a one-time sure thing.

Regenerate believers are BORN of God, therefore can not become unborn. You may misbehave, but yet not become unborn.

Jesus has come to rebuild that which was lost due to the creation of the flesh.
The creation of the flesh brought separation from God, which is death to the soul.

If in the flesh, we are born of the flesh and are the sons of man. Therefore it necessitates that in order to enter into heaven, we must be born again, but this time of God.
That is done by the transformation of the heart as a new creature.

Not only are these teachers referred to as “false prophets,” but to make matters worse for those that believe in eternal security, they are explicitly said to be “bringing swift destruction on themselves.” To top it off, Peter adds: “For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overpowered, the last state has become worse for them than the first.

Does not the Catholic Church teach confession? Why confess if we don’t constantly become defiled of the world?
Have you escaped the defilements of the world as such that you need not confess in order to maintain the status of a son born of God? Born of God, sin, become unborn, Born of God, sin, become unborn. What an unending cyle.

Surely God in His wisdom instituted a better plan by where when we become sons, so we could have His graces to forgive us and still remain sons, don’t you think?

Now there is a good plan which gives us our security. Knowing that in our own faults it will not keep us from heaven. Because once sons, always sons.

Praise God and Jesus for the free gift of life that by them I have eternal security, never on my own efforts could I achieve that which the free gift offers.

For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them.


Let me give you a different take on that: This is speaking of the Jewish nation, but it can serve as an application for other things as well. Like the explanation you gave.

The Jewish nation only, had the oracles and scepter of God in this world as a witness to Him. “For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them”.
They had known and had the Holy Commandments delivered to them by Moses, so this is a prophecy fulfilled when they rejected the Messiah and in which “they are explicitly said to be “bringing swift destruction on themselves.”

Has not the Jewish nation suffered and is still today under the same sentence for failure to believe in the Messiah, our Lord Jesus Christ?

There are deeper meanings to verses in the bible which paint a complete and different picture.
That picture can only be seen if one has the desire to seek Gods wisdom as our own. He thus grants it according to His wishes, of which I share with you all.

I am hoping that you all understand that I am not condemning the Catholic Church or anything about the Catholic Church, but trying to give and share what God has showed me concerning His love.

It has happened to them according to the true proverb, The dog turns back to his own vomit, and the sow is washed only to wallow in the mire”

Again this proverb is speaking about the Jews.
The people that were supposed to be Gods representatives to the world have returned to the old structure and can not see Jesus as the true Messiah.

(2Peters 2:20-22). These former believers turned false prophets not only were bought by Christ but also knew Christ as "Lord and Saviour"!

These former believers (Jews) were also included in the forgiveness of Christ, thus shall be saved as well.

There are several ways to convince people of God.

1. Scare the hell out of them! Tell that if they don’t change, they are going to burn forever in hells fire.

2. Show them that God is love, and that He loves them, so that He willed that His Son be an offering for our redemption as a free gift to us. All we have to do is accept the gift.

3. Demand that the only way to heaven is through said “organizational” church.

4. The world itself will cause enough pain and suffering that one would have to seek Gods help.

Frankly, I choose number 2!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[sanctus]

AJ, Since you insist upon entering comments with quoted text, when one goes to reply, one is unable to do so as your points go away. Suffice it to say that the doctrine is not erroneous just because the Church says so. This has been said and taught from day one. Your cults strange "once-saved,always-saved" theology is less than 200 years old in Christian life. Personally, I prefer to stick with a faith that is of God and has been taught since the first century. Anything that came after, if not known by the Apostles and the first century Church, must obviously be an invention of mankind, and therefore false doctrine.

 

[tanakar]

F Therefore, we are no good, and the more we think we are, the more evil we become because we allow pride to take the better of us.

This is a pretty heavy post, which seems to have begun a million replies. Ok, let me be upfront. I'm not a Christian. I do believe in god though, just not sure how or why.

Anyways, this bit here really struck me. It did so because it makes sense no matter what you believe. Pride is the worst thing we have, I think. It makes us lose sight of ourselves and dosen't allow us to open our hearts to other people. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[m_levesque]

These former believers (Jews) were also included in the forgiveness of Christ, thus shall be saved as well.

There are several ways to convince people of God.

1. Scare the hell out of them! Tell that if they don’t change, they are going to burn forever in hells fire.

2. Show them that God is love, and that He loves them, so that He willed that His Son be an offering for our redemption as a free gift to us. All we have to do is accept the gift.

3. Demand that the only way to heaven is through said “organizational” church.

4. The world itself will cause enough pain and suffering that one would have to seek Gods help.

Frankly, I choose number 2!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

The Church is a formal organization -- that's how Christ organized it. He did it so that it could teach His message down through the ages. You can read in the Gospels how He trained and commissioned the Apostles to teach his message (that's what the Magisterium is.) He promised that the Gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church (that's the Kharisma of Infallibility.)

 

[m_levesque]

The ability to love on the human level falls short of pure love because of the position that we are placed in. Everything earthly is short of perfection. Hence we are found wanting.
There must by necessity be an element foreign to our selves that are of greater value and perfect, mixed in with our love to buster it up to perfection.

We all have difficulties with our faith. There are those who can't believe and those who won't believe.

The former should pray for the grace to believe. The latter have chosen themselves as the final authority.

 

[m_levesque]

You want to know something? One would think that because we know the same God, Jesus and His words, that we Christians would agree more often than disagreed?

But as it is, we are divided.

Here I am spelling out love with a capital C, and am told that I don’t know anything!

I think the problem is your assumption that you are of Christ. with the heresies you write, it troubles my soul. You must renounce your false pride and errors of doctrine and submit to Christ in His Church. I feel so sorry for you.

 

[look3467]

AJ, Since you insist upon entering comments with quoted text, when one goes to reply, one is unable to do so as your points go away. Suffice it to say that the doctrine is not erroneous just because the Church says so. This has been said and taught from day one. Your cults strange "once-saved,always-saved" theology is less than 200 years old in Christian life. Personally, I prefer to stick with a faith that is of God and has been taught since the first century. Anything that came after, if not known by the Apostles and the first century Church, must obviously be an invention of mankind, and therefore false doctrine.

I thought it easier to blue letter my words rather than copy the whole thing and than insert my comments. I can see that causes a problem. I will not do it again.
Correction made. Thanks.

You stick to what you are led to stick to, Sanctus. Like I said before, I want no one to change anything about themselves only if the Lord initiates it first. And if not, than happy living!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[L Gilbert]

I was wondering when you were going to respond.
My purpose it to declare, proclaim and share Christ with as many as I can.
I don't belong to any organized religion therefore I can not persuade any to convert.

Horsecrap. You are inflicting YOUR personal views of your faith on other people. That is just as much proselytizing as what Catholics and anyone else perform.

If someone were to look into the possibility of who Christ is by my message, then Christ via the Holy Spirit would convict that heart and change it to whatever He wants.

I quit trying to win over the world about 4 years ago.

I can only see what is on the outside of people, but God can see the insides of peoples hearts.

He then is the one to determine what is needed of that soul.


Peace>>>AJ:love9:

In your opinion.