It' fine what he writes. One thing AJ is showing is not Christ, but the error of coming up with theories outside the sanction of the Church. So, in a way he makes the Catholic point because the nuttier his theories, the more logical we come out
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It' fine what he writes. One thing AJ is showing is not Christ, but the error of coming up with theories outside the sanction of the Church. So, in a way he makes the Catholic point because the nuttier his theories, the more logical we come out
I think GK Chesterton once said that St. John wrote about some pretty scary creatures in the Book of Revelation but that St. John never met anything as scary as the modern day commentators on the Book of Revelation. This makes me think of you, coming up with theories on this or that thing all on your own. The only spirit that is teaching you these things is Satan.
Who are you to say I am hurting myself or others? I would rather live life to the fullest now while I can.
This much is true, when it gets to the extreme where people become obsessive about biblical numerology and finding "hidden clues" in the Bible based on fanciiful and elaborate calculations and numerical arrangements (i.e. the best-selling "Bible Code") , is when it starts to get Looney Tunes.
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This much is true, when it gets to the extreme where people become obsessive about biblical numerology and finding "hidden clues" in the Bible based on fanciiful and elaborate calculations and numerical arrangements (i.e. the best-selling "Bible Code") , is when it starts to get Looney Tunes.
Rather my thinking too. As Gilbert would probably agree, numbers form a part of everything. However, often it is mere coincidence and not some secret code built into something that only the enlightened elite can understand.
I am aware of the many authors. I am also aware that the Holy Spirit inspired them to write as led.
So, the bible is totally intertwined as one big puzzle with one main theme and that being that God loves us.
The numbers in the bible are key to understanding the many pieces of the puzzle. But if one is not going to give the bible it's proper credit, than numbers are meaningless.
You do recall what Jesus said about the parable? Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
"Unto them that are without", is taken to mean without the spirit of understanding.
For He says: Mar 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
So to those without understanding, these things are a mystery. Numbers included.
God in His wisdom hath fashioned the bible under His direct supervision as He led men to write so as to give understanding only to those who would show an interest in Him.
I am a student of the bible and give Jesus all the credit He deserves. I know only what He has revealed to me.
And things I've mentioned here on this thread are things He has given me understanding in.
Phi 4:12 I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.
Phi 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Oh my! OK, let me make certain I have understood you..Sanctus does not love or know the Bible, and Jesus has personally told YOU things about the Bible that no-one else in the whole world knows?? Is that about the gist of what you wrote?
This much is true, when it gets to the extreme where people become obsessive about biblical numerology and finding "hidden clues" in the Bible based on fanciiful and elaborate calculations and numerical arrangements (i.e. the best-selling "Bible Code") , is when it starts to get Looney Tunes.
Yes, there can be excessives in all areas of life as well. Numerology is one of them. I study numbers in the bible and try to learn the reasons why God placed them where they are and why He used certain numbers repeatedly.
I share my findings for those who would like to gain understanding. But of course there are always skecptics.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
NOOO. sceptics...impossible to believe. Maybe Jesus can stop talking to you for a minute and go thrash the lot of us;-)
Sanctus knows only what God wants him to know and understand. That goes for you too.
I have not gotten to where I am just because. I have gotten to where I am because I have made it my passion to learn all I can about my Lord, His Father and their works.
I am in love with the author of life, His creation and His creatures. So I seek to learn all I can.
He knows that and grants me understanding according to His wishes, and that goes for you all too.
We learn from each others life's experiences and knowledge gained.
The body has many members and it can not be all fingers or all eyes, but many different parts making up of a perfect body as constructed by God.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Jesus trashes no one, nor do I. Just because you don't yet understand, doesn't mean you are being trashed.
And Jesus does talk to us via His Holy Spirit.
Get yourself alone in a room with your bible. Start reading it and ask Jesus to give you understanding. And He will. Meditate on His love and you will be blessed!
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
I think you've given me a very effective idea to deal with lapsed members!
A reduction in racism... a grade three wooden mallet... whack, right behind the ear. An emphasis on helping and forgiveness, a grade twelve steel hammer...whack, on the top, and an increase in faith... grade seven, lead hammer.... bonk right on the forehead. you're all done mr smith, come back in a week and we'll work on your memory troubles
Truly spoken! This thread is the class room of learning. Here we find the many membered body: each with it's own distict function in the body.
We are to edify the body as a whole and not one single member. Each member must love the body as a whole in order to work in harmony and for the health of the body.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
the thing about numbers and correlations is all of them have a lot. every number under a hundred has some amazing facts about it. i once listened to a 30 minute radio show all about the number 7. it has a lot of significance, but so has the number 4. and the number 2, and 6, and all the integers. even irrational numbers and weird decimals can appear to have enormous meaning if you investigate them far enough. BTW 7 was recently discovered to be the number of shuffles where a shuffled deck of cards goes from having order to being random. it's a point transition and not a gradual thing at all. Apparently if you can shuffle perfectly (ie cut the deck exactly in half and then flick them together so they two sides alternate exactly) then if you do it 8 times they go back to where they started.
Better idea, just get by your self and read the bible. Wack! The Holy Spirit will address the concerns of your heart.
Knowledge has been gathering for thousands of years, and each generation contributes new knowledge to the other. Always progressing to that perfect state.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
It makes for an interesting study. It helps in understanding things in the bible.
7 is a complete number.
God created the heavens and the earth in six days and rested on the 7. Completion.
Jesus also re-created the spiritual side of it and rested on the 7th day.
Want to know how long it took Jesus to do it? I mean all 7 days? One day!
It started the eve of the 5th day, the beginning of the 6th, and ended the eve of the 6th, the beginning of the 7th.
A 24 hour day as represented by the 24 Elders in the Book of Revelation.
Or 4-6 hour quarters as represented by the four beasts of Revelation.
Or the 2 witnesses both 12 hours each making for the whole day.
So can you appreciate the numbers thing in the bible? They mean something. God did not just randomly institute them without cause.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
i'm not sure i can appreciate the numbers in the bible. I think one could choose a number at random and find significance in the bible, or any book as wide and varied as the bible, simply because there's so much information in there. I think I agree with sanctus that since it was written by many people in many places at many times, a secret code is unlikely.
I find the significance of numbers fascinating, dont get me wrong but I see them as significant mathematically rather than mystically.
what do u mean that 7 is a complete number? you mean it's a prime number?
I find the significance of numbers fascinating, dont get me wrong but I see them as significant mathematically rather than mystically.
what do u mean that 7 is a complete number? you mean it's a prime number?
Let me get back to you on this, I've got to run and do some work. I'll address this post later.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
THRASH, not trash. I do read the Bible, and when i don't understand something I ask my priest about it. I've even mentioned a few of the things to him you've shared here. I won't repeat what his opinion of your theology is
One thing he did mention, though, that I will share. His comment on understanding the Bible suggested that when a person begins telling you things that are contrary to the faith, either one is wrong and the other is right. In other words, if you contradict 2 centuries of Christian thought, the liklihood of your being right is about zero.