How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

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Actually confession is about the only thing I like about the catholic church. The "little" sins such as impure thoughts, lust and envy can be wiped off the slate. Actual crimes is another story but I think the Catholic church requires that crimes be confessed to non-secular authorities.


LOLLLL Dream on! I reported my step to our local "priest" he said "quit tempting him" They dont require a damn thing.
 

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LOLLLL Dream on! I reported my step to our local "priest" he said "quit tempting him" They dont require a damn thing

I remember you mentioning that before, and what the priest said to you, is one of the most sickening

things I have heard in a long while. And one might wonder, what other things did that priest do or say

throughout his years, which would have made our skin crawl, because someone who said what he did

to you would have some other mysteries up his sleeve too.
 

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LOLLLL Dream on! I reported my step to our local "priest" he said "quit tempting him" They dont require a damn thing

I remember you mentioning that before, and what the priest said to you, is one of the most sickening

things I have heard in a long while. And one might wonder, what other things did that priest do or say

throughout his years, which would have made our skin crawl, because someone who said what he did

to you would have some other mysteries up his sleeve too.

EXACTLY! Ive met one priest that I trusted....all us kids trusted him. The diecease sent him to BRAZIL! Whole things screwy and dont keep repeating myself for shock value I repeat myself to warn those seeking to be educated. Following anyone blindly is dangerous.
 

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EXACTLY! Ive met one priest that I trusted....all us kids trusted him. The diecease sent him to BRAZIL! Whole things screwy and dont keep repeating myself for shock value I repeat myself to warn those seeking to be educated. Following anyone blindly is dangerous

I have pictured in my mind, an innocent 10 yr old little girl, looking up at the priest, and having enough

guts, in the first place, to actually tell him what her step dad did to her, and then I picture the look on

her face when she received "that" answer from him. How devastating, and what a life changing

experience, and how that would leave a little girl feeling that she has noone at all to turn to, and

then having to go home, and "just" continue on "as before" Makes me want to cry. I know the fear

of living, as a small child in a very disfunctional household, I did not have the sexual abuse problem,

thankfully, but there was many other problems, and the helpless feeling as a child, absolutely no

power whatsoever, and then having to continue on, "till" one day, a little older, your own power

developes, and you find a way out, but the scars are there, and it leaves you behind in development

for many years, it takes hard work and confidence to finally catch up with everyone "normal" and

find your way in the world. I am 68 yrs. old and I still feel that I really don't belong in many ways,

but I accept that now, and I accept myself as I am. My children grew up in a loving, happy home,

and the problems I had, did not creep into their lives.
 

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I still think it is a requirement. Wether priests are part of the old old boys network looking out for their own or failing in their responsibilities because to do anything else would bring the church in to a bad light is another issue. Also your step did not confess. To be absolved of his crime he would have needed to turn himself in. Priests are human too and you stand as good as chance as on the street to run into an incompetent a$$hole who can't be bothered.
 

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hey sanctus, are you saying that is is a sin not to be catholic? or did i misunderstand you?

No, it is not, in and of itself, necessarily a sin. Having said that, understand that all other denominations are deficient in the faith since they have renounced doctrines of the faith. The fullness of the Christian faith, the whole deal if you will, is expressed only in the true Church

also, i went to a catholic church yesterday with my friend. it was a mass all in latin and was pretty cool. liked the incense allot. is this a normal catholic mass? why in latin?

Latin is the language of the Church. However, the traditional Latin Mass which I think you are describing, is no longer the normative liturgy in usage through most of the Latin Rite. It is making a comeback, as it were, and more and more priests, with permission from their bishops, are again saying the lovely Tridentine Mass. I use it myself twice a month.

last question, what about mary, the mother of jesus, i notice in my reading on religion that catholics and orthodox put allot of emphasis on mary, but protestants dont? why is mary so special to the faith?

Because Mary, our Blessed Mother, bore the Christ and was bound to Him in a way no other human ever was. She plays a significant role in our salvation and is the vehicle through which we come to Jesus. At the Cross, our Lord indicated she was the Mother of the Church. She is also not tainted with sin, and is the most powerful intercessor in prayer and supplications.

Protestants reject allot of the faith, because in their attempts to self-interpret Scripture, they make erroneous errors in interpretation.
 

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Because Mary, our Blessed Mother, bore the Christ and was bound to Him in a way no other human ever was. She plays a significant role in our salvation and is the vehicle through which we come to Jesus. At the Cross, our Lord indicated she was the Mother of the Church. She is also not tainted with sin, and is the most powerful intercessor in prayer and supplications.

Protestants reject allot of the faith, because in their attempts to self-interpret Scripture, they make erroneous errors in interpretation.


thanks sanctus. im kinda interested in stuff about mary. fr some reason i feel really attracted to her.did the early church think of her as special or was that something that came out later on in history?
 

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Ok short. Sin is here because of the flesh. Sin is not here because of the spirit of God in us.
Sin is a separation from God.
God in us, is not having separation, so....... we are sinless!

Peace>>>AJ

thaks aj. i think yo do better keeping to the point instead of posting ten page long sermons full of bible quotes. for me, id rather read what you think, not what the bible says. i have a bible and i can read it for myself.sometimes i lose your point because the posts are sooooooooooooooooooo looooooooooooooooooooooooong that you answer people with.

so we are sinless or not? you said before we were never going to be sinless until we die and now you say we are sinless if we believe in godwhich is it?

what does the rc church teach about being freed from sin or born-again?
 

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Here you go Love These are my life changing favorites but if I were you Id start with the easy reading, your really smart you'll pick up on the lessons behind the fiction ;)

Fiction

The Alchemist .........................Paulo Coelho

Joshua ........................................Joseph F. Grizone (He was a priest)

Mister God, This is Anna ........Flynn

2150 A.D. ....................................Thea Alexander

The Celestine Prophecy (Thers 3 in the series) ...............James Redfield



Non Fiction

The Wind Is My Mother ..................................Bear Heart

Conversation With God ....................................Neale Donald Walsch
Books 1-3 and Frienships

Excuse Me Your Life Is Waiting .......................Lynn Grabhorn

The Four Agreements ..........................................Don Miguel Ruiz

The Voice Of Knowledge .....................................Don Miguel Ruiz

The Mastery Of Love ............................................Don Miguel Ruiz

The Seven Spiritual Laws of Success .................Deepak Chopra

The Way Of The Wizard .......................................Deepak Chopra

The Song Of God The Gospel Of Hinduism ........Bhagavad-Gita

Your Sacred Self .................................................. .....Wayne W. Dyer

You Can Heal Yourself ..............................................Loui se Hay




Then theres a series of books by Lynne V. Andrews that is about 2 Canadian Shaman Woman that train Lynne. Excellent series


thanks self. ill see what i can dig up like i said, right now im reading the gospels and i think st.matthew is my favourite so far. i am also reading this book i got at a value village store called "imitation of mary". good book.
 

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EXACTLY! Ive met one priest that I trusted....all us kids trusted him. The diecease sent him to BRAZIL! Whole things screwy and dont keep repeating myself for shock value I repeat myself to warn those seeking to be educated. Following anyone blindly is dangerous.


just a question, pulease dont loose your mind on me, but i was wondering if your experiences in the past made you already have a negative feeling towars priests and catholics. know what i mean? im asking because my dad sure influenced my thinking about protestants and wacked born-again theories. i remeber my dad saying he was forever freed from sin and i used to think, yeah right dude.
 

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I still think it is a requirement. Wether priests are part of the old old boys network looking out for their own or failing in their responsibilities because to do anything else would bring the church in to a bad light is another issue. Also your step did not confess. To be absolved of his crime he would have needed to turn himself in. Priests are human too and you stand as good as chance as on the street to run into an incompetent a$$hole who can't be bothered.


is it that simple for catholics? seems like there shold be more than doing the same sh*t over and over and still getting off the hook for it.sanctus???whatcha say?
 

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Quote from sanctus in response to question, Did you say it is a sin not to be Catholic?....

"No, it is not, in and of itself, necessarily a sin. Having said that, understand that all other denominations are deficient in the faith since they have renounced doctrines of the faith. The fullness of the Christian faith, the whole deal if you will, is expressed only in the true Church."

Not nessesarily a sin? But it must be one of those optional sins the "church" can impose on you if it suits there monetary needs.

Yes, two faced policies and doctraines, that and any church I've visited is riddled with gay organ players, I mean United, Catholic, whatever. I have 'experienced ' such.


I rid myself of my sinfuless by becoming a practicing good person. Sans the bindings of someone telling me how to 'love god'. I found god in life.
 

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Quote from sanctus in response to question, Did you say it is a sin not to be Catholic?....

"No, it is not, in and of itself, necessarily a sin. Having said that, understand that all other denominations are deficient in the faith since they have renounced doctrines of the faith. The fullness of the Christian faith, the whole deal if you will, is expressed only in the true Church."

Not nessesarily a sin? But it must be one of those optional sins the "church" can impose on you if it suits there monetary needs.

Yes, two faced policies and doctrines, that and any church I've visited is riddled with gay organ players, I mean United, Catholic, whatever. I have 'experienced ' such.


I rid myself of my sinfuless by becoming a practicing good person. Sans the bindings of someone telling me how to 'love god'. I found god in life.

Dear brothers and sisters in Christ: A rock is a hard stone Thus: the saying" Solid as a rock".

Not that the reference is to the rock, but as solid and hard "as" a rock.

The church is built upon this principle, "Solid as a rock", which is in reference to faith, being solid as a rock.
Peter as you know denied Jesus 3 times. Why? Because Peter was thinking and acting in the flesh, which everybody should know, that the flesh is weak.
But after the Holy Spirit had come upon Peter, and the others, there faith was as solid as a rock and un-movable.

Upon this type of faith (Rock) Jesus said, I will build my church. Not the rock (Building, or organization) but upon faith. Unshakable, faith, that regardless of what the flesh made desire, faith is what sustains us in hope of glory.

Tell, me folks, upon what rock is your faith trusting in? The physical rock (An earthly institution) or a heavenly institution not made with human hands?

Num 20:10 And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?

We all know that water does not come out of a rock, but what does, if reference is made to ____?

If you read that account, you will see that even Moses struggled with it, because he had to strike the rock twice before it water came out.

Faith is the Key, and if faith is had, then God will see to it that it will be as Christ, "Solid as a Rock".

Peace>>>AJ
 

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is it that simple for catholics? seems like there shold be more than doing the same sh*t over and over and still getting off the hook for it.sanctus???whatcha say?

God understands us better than we understand or selves. And His advice by way of Paul said:1Co 7:9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
1Co 7:7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
1Co 7:8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.
1Co 7:9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

"To burn", is in reference to a lustful desire, which causes us to sin.

Therefore, if a priest has those desires, and cannot contain himself, then follow God's advice by Paul, and get married.

Peace>>>AJ

 

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I still think it is a requirement. Wether priests are part of the old old boys network looking out for their own or failing in their responsibilities because to do anything else would bring the church in to a bad light is another issue. Also your step did not confess. To be absolved of his crime he would have needed to turn himself in. Priests are human too and you stand as good as chance as on the street to run into an incompetent a$$hole who can't be bothered.


Ill call my sis and find out
 

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thanks self. ill see what i can dig up like i said, right now im reading the gospels and i think st.matthew is my favourite so far. i am also reading this book i got at a value village store called "imitation of mary". good book.

Thats the nice thing about seeking......its in your own time ;) Your a bright kiddo and Im happy to help. BTW Matthew was my fav too :)
 

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just a question, pulease dont loose your mind on me, but i was wondering if your experiences in the past made you already have a negative feeling towars priests and catholics. know what i mean? im asking because my dad sure influenced my thinking about protestants and wacked born-again theories. i remeber my dad saying he was forever freed from sin and i used to think, yeah right dude.

Very smart :) yes all of our oppinions are an accumilation of our experiences. In other words the "Father" I confided in abandonded me and ever since then Ive been giving the "Fathers" a new chance to rewrite that experience........each one fails, they judge the child all over again. I'll continue challanging Priests until one acts like a real one.
 

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The four faces of Christ Jesus

Info: The book of Mattew discribes the kingship of Christ
Mark: the humanity of Christ
Luke: discribes the physiscan of who Jesus is.
John: the divinity of Jesus

Just thought I'd throw in that little bit of a jewel.

Peace>>>AJ
 

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EXACTLY! Ive met one priest that I trusted....all us kids trusted him. The diecease sent him to BRAZIL! Whole things screwy and dont keep repeating myself for shock value I repeat myself to warn those seeking to be educated. Following anyone blindly is dangerous

I have pictured in my mind, an innocent 10 yr old little girl, looking up at the priest, and having enough

guts, in the first place, to actually tell him what her step dad did to her, and then I picture the look on

her face when she received "that" answer from him. How devastating, and what a life changing

experience, and how that would leave a little girl feeling that she has noone at all to turn to, and

then having to go home, and "just" continue on "as before" Makes me want to cry. I know the fear

of living, as a small child in a very disfunctional household, I did not have the sexual abuse problem,

thankfully, but there was many other problems, and the helpless feeling as a child, absolutely no

power whatsoever, and then having to continue on, "till" one day, a little older, your own power

developes, and you find a way out, but the scars are there, and it leaves you behind in development

for many years, it takes hard work and confidence to finally catch up with everyone "normal" and

find your way in the world. I am 68 yrs. old and I still feel that I really don't belong in many ways,

but I accept that now, and I accept myself as I am. My children grew up in a loving, happy home,

and the problems I had, did not creep into their lives.


Your post moved me to tears. Your children are so lucky to have a Mum like you. Yes my sense of power only came to me at 38 then "watch out world" Ive arrived ;) I dont allow people to rob me anymore and Ive lost "friends" over it. Oh Well I can sleep at night at least.
 

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The four faces of Christ Jesus

Info: The book of Mattew discribes the kingship of Christ
Mark: the humanity of Christ
Luke: discribes the physiscan of who Jesus is.
John: the divinity of Jesus

Just thought I'd throw in that little bit of a jewel.

Peace>>>AJ

Matthew if more like a gentle prose. Full of hope.