How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

[look3467]

Repentance: a feeling of regret or contrition for having done something wrong.

Question: How can we know if we done something wrong?

First there must be a standard, in this case the law.

The law then exposes’ the wrong when the standard is transgressed.

Enter:………. Sin.

But there is a sin that is not unto death.

Compare:

1Jo 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

What sin is that?

Read:

Rom 7:13 Was then that (Law) which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Here then is the answer: “working death in me”. The sin that Jesus came to cover is of the spiritual death. That sin exists no more, done away with in Jesus’ sacrifice; payment for that sin.

What sins still exist is of our own makings and those sins are not unto death. (Spiritual)

For we all die anyways, whether we think we sin or not.

It all means that God the Father condemns no one in Jesus, for salvation is of God and not of our selves.

We, condemn our selves by the standard of the law and we (The flesh) pays for the deviations of it; and the soul suffers vexation.

Once we have understood that, then we can understand to live righteously by the power and strength of the Holy Spirit who is with us in battle.

Again:

Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

(Death of the spirit)

And Jesus rightly said:

Joh 8:52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

“Never taste death”? Jesus is talking about spiritual death, eternal separation, that we shall never taste of it, because He took care of that for us.

And like the verse says: “If a man keep my saying”, you too will never see death!

Notice: Hell is not mentioned?

Peace>>>AJ

 

[L Gilbert]

from a book I'm reading. its stuff like this that convinces me of the validity of the Christian gestalt.

Reinhold Niebuhr - 1935

Speaking of hidden agendas behind virtuousness:

During the 1930s Niebuhr was a prominent leader of the militant faction of the Socialist Party of America, promoting assent to the United front agenda of the Communist Party USA, a position in sharp contrast to that which would distinguish him later in his career. According to the autobiography of his factional opponent Louis Waldman, Niebuhr even led military drill exercises among the young members.
During the outbreak of World War II, the pacifist leanings of his liberal roots were brought under challenge, and he began to distance himself from the pacifism of his more liberal colleagues, becoming a staunch advocate for the war. Niebuhr soon left the Fellowship of Reconciliation, a peace oriented group of theologians and ministers, and became one of their harshest critics. This departure from his peers evolved into a movement known as Christian Realism and Niebuhr is acknowledged as its primary advocate. Christian Realism provided a more tough-minded approach to politics than the idealism that was held by many of Niebuhr's contemporaries. Within the framework of Christian Realism, Niebuhr became a supporter of US action in World War II, anti-communism, and the development of nuclear weapons.

He did have his points, though.

 

[m_levesque]

There's no other religion on Earth that claims obedience to the will of Allah than Islam, either. I've found each faith or set of beliefs to be quite unique in retrospection: some don't proselytize, some follow many gods, some don't even have gods as such, but just a path or a way, etc.

I don't know how widespread this is but evangelization is the only answer to Islam. Let us focus on this. If we do it won't matter what answer the politicians come up with the world will be won to Christ. If we don't it still won't matter what the politicians do we will all become Dhimmi, or worse, persecuted in an increasingly atheistic world.

"What's happening nowadays in the Muslim world has never happened before," said Father Zakaria Henein, an Egyptian Coptic priest who is one of the foremost evangelists to the Muslim world. He says a cross-section of Muslims are accepting Jesus Christ. "Young and old, educated and not educated, males and females, even those who are fanatic."
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/69001.aspx

 

[m_levesque]

hey sanctus. would you mind if i ask you a personal question? hope not, but i think you already said this before..are you roman catholic? and if you are, what do you think of non-catholic churches-i mean, my friend is rc and she thinks that the rc church is the only "true" christian church and the rest are cults,even the baptists! what do you think-is the rc church the "true" church, and if so.why would you think so?hope youre not mad at my asking these questions?

In the Catholic understanding of other religions, we see each of these religions as containing parts of the Truth (and "Truth" is objective). Every single human that has ever existed has been moved in part by the grace of God, such that they've even stumbled across one or more of these objective Truths. Therefore, Catholics have every expectation that other religions contain parts of the Truth! It is not that Catholics "borrowed" or "stole" things from other religions - what happens is that all religions have the same source: God! The only difference with the Catholic Church is that the Church contains the fullness of the Truth, instead of parts here and there.

 

[BitWhys]

Speaking of hidden agendas behind virtuousness:


He did have his points, though.

The man makes stinging commentary against communism in the quote I provided and went on to be awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Besides showing a propensity for ad homenim attacks, what's YOUR point?

 

[L Gilbert]

I don't know how widespread this is but evangelization is the only answer to Islam. Let us focus on this. If we do it won't matter what answer the politicians come up with the world will be won to Christ. If we don't it still won't matter what the politicians do we will all become Dhimmi, or worse, persecuted in an increasingly atheistic world.

Actually, I'm just as accepting of islam as I am of christianity, so I find no more wrong with it than I do of christianity. In fact, there are quite a few parallels between the two.

"What's happening nowadays in the Muslim world has never happened before," said Father Zakaria Henein, an Egyptian Coptic priest who is one of the foremost evangelists to the Muslim world. He says a cross-section of Muslims are accepting Jesus Christ. "Young and old, educated and not educated, males and females, even those who are fanatic."
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Uhuh. Lots of things happen that haven't happened before. Change is a positive thing, IMO. If things don't change they stagnate and get left behind, die, become ignored, etc. and the world still goes round and round.

 

[sanctus]

Speaking of hidden agendas behind virtuousness:


He did have his points, though.

Would his political views mean that his book(s) would not be worth reading? Is that the point you are trying to make? In my opinion, such views would make me want to read his book(s).

 

[sanctus]

I don't know how widespread this is but evangelization is the only answer to Islam. Let us focus on this. If we do it won't matter what answer the politicians come up with the world will be won to Christ. If we don't it still won't matter what the politicians do we will all become Dhimmi, or worse, persecuted in an increasingly atheistic world.

"What's happening nowadays in the Muslim world has never happened before," said Father Zakaria Henein, an Egyptian Coptic priest who is one of the foremost evangelists to the Muslim world. He says a cross-section of Muslims are accepting Jesus Christ. "Young and old, educated and not educated, males and females, even those who are fanatic."
[URL="http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/69001.aspx"]http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/69001.aspx[/URL]

What wonderful news! If only all of them would renounce their pagan religion and come to Christ!~

 

[sanctus]

There and I thought you folks all thought your god was imnipotent and could do anything.
Um, I tried Genesis one time and couldn't get past any more than a few "begats". At any rate, without a legend that relates events to terms that humans use (IE 1 Yahweh day = x human days and 1 Yahweh mile = y human miles ......) the stuff written into the bible is not only hearsay (so-and-so said that whatsisname did this, that, and the other thing), but it is open to anyone's interpretation.

The "begating" is not the beginning of Genesis, just read the opening verses.

Why would we have to assume that somehow God must provide proof of Himself, or His time-frame?

 

[L Gilbert]

Would his political views mean that his book(s) would not be worth reading?

Not at all.

Is that the point you are trying to make?

Nope.

In my opinion, such views would make me want to read his book(s).

Me too, just that I would analyze his views rather than blindly accept anything he said. Same as any other writer, and that includes his/her motives, validity, etc.

 

[sanctus]

There and I thought you folks all thought your god was imnipotent and could do anything.
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I don't rightly know if God is "imnipotent"(big smile), but we do KNOW He is omnipotent

 

[L Gilbert]

What wonderful news! If only all of them would renounce their pagan religion and come to Christ!~

rofl
Does that include Taoists, Confucians, Shintoists, Bahai, Jews, etc?
They are all wrong except us.

 

[sanctus]

hey sanctus. would you mind if i ask you a personal question? hope not, but i think you already said this before..are you roman catholic? and if you are, what do you think of non-catholic churches-i mean, my friend is rc and she thinks that the rc church is the only "true" christian church and the rest are cults,even the baptists! what do you think-is the rc church the "true" church, and if so.why would you think so?hope youre not mad at my asking these questions?

I am not mad at all. Why would I be? Yes, I am Catholic. And yes, in a manner of speaking the only true faith is the Catholic faith. Other religions, such as the Hindu's and the Protestants, have glimmers of the truth and those parts which are true we celebrate-but the fact remains that there is only one true Church of Jesus Christ-the Roman Catholic Church. Does that answer your questions?

 

[BitWhys]

Would his political views mean that his book(s) would not be worth reading? Is that the point you are trying to make? In my opinion, such views would make me want to read his book(s).

Actually what our good friend is trying to imply about Niebuhr's political persuasions isn't the case at all, although it does superficially elude to the tradition through which he realized his opinions. If you haven't yet, please allow me to be so bold as to suggest trying get your hands on a copy of "Moral Man and Immoral Society". You may not be partial to his neo-orthodox underpinnings, but his grasp of the struggles which is humanity is astounding.

IMO, his stance on pacifism (not part of the book) puts Aquinas to shame.

 

[sanctus]

rofl
Does that include Taoists, Confucians, Shintoists, Bahai, Jews, etc?
They are all wrong except us.

Yes, that would be wonderful for them all. I did not say they were necessarily wrong, but they lack the fullness of the faith found in Christ in His Holy Catholic Church.

 

[sanctus]

Actually what our good friend is trying to imply about Niebuhr's political persuasions isn't the case at all, although it does superficially elude to the tradition through which he realized his opinions. If you haven't yet, please allow me to be so bold as to suggest trying get your hands on a copy of "Moral Man and Immoral Society". You may not be partial to his neo-orthodox underpinnings, but his grasp of the struggles which is humanity is astounding.

I will, thank you. I am always interested in philosophic works, regardless of their orientation.

 

[BitWhys]

Yes, that would be wonderful for them all. I did not say they were necessarily wrong, but they lack the fullness of the faith found in Christ in His Holy Catholic Church.

I'm with you on that one. In an Anglican sort of way, of course.

 

[sanctus]

I'm with you on that one. In an Anglican sort of way, of course.

I love traditional Anglo-Catholicism! I very much admire the continuum for holding to the faith when the Canterbury growd went apostate with female clergy and modern liturgies. I confess to a deep respect for the BCP, a wonderful Mass! A few weeks back I visited an Anglo-Catholic Mass and was struck with its deep sense of solemnity. To my way of thinking, traditional Anglicanism in the "high church" fashion is a form of western Orthodoxy.

 

[BitWhys]

I love traditional Anglo-Catholicism! I very much admire the continuum for holding to the faith when the Canterbury growd went apostate with female clergy and modern liturgies. I confess to a deep respect for the BCP, a wonderful Mass! A few weeks back I visited an Anglo-Catholic Mass and was struck with its deep sense of solemnity. To my way of thinking, traditional Anglicanism in the "high church" fashion is a form of western Orthodoxy.

We alternate between the "traditional" and "contemporary" prayers in the Book of Alternative Services. Being raised post-Vatican Catholic (although I still vaguely remember the Latin masses of my very early childhood) I get a kick out of it because it makes the Eucharistic Prayer so unpredictable everyone keeps their eyes glued to their books so they know when its their turn to say something. Probably has something to do with the rite defining itself AFTER the printing press was invented.

 

[sanctus]

We alternate between the "traditional" and "contemporary" prayers in the Book of Alternative Services. Being raised post-Vatican Catholic (although I still vaguely remember the Latin masses of my very early childhood) I get a kick out of it because it makes the Eucharistic Prayer so unpredictable everyone keeps their eyes glued to their books so they know when its their turn to say something. Probably has something to do with the rite defining itself AFTER the printing press was invented.

Well, we must differ here, I am afraid. I consider the "official"Anglican church to be apostate, having lost its validity of the Catholic faith with the introduction of the heretical BAS and female clergy. My respect is geared towards the Anglo-Catholic BCP only parishes or the Churches of the continuing Anglican movement.