How best to help Mexico?
- Thread starter Machjo
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I'd voted the first 2 in the poll. by opening up for trade and free labour movement, we allow Mexico's economy to develop, thus reducing the desire on the part of Mexicans to cross the border illegally. And by introducing tough sentences, we discourage illegal immigration.
We have to at least give them a chance to develop. We're not talking about giving them money here, but rather about government stepping out of the way to allow Mexico the freedom to develop.
We have to at least give them a chance to develop. We're not talking about giving them money here, but rather about government stepping out of the way to allow Mexico the freedom to develop.
Helping does not always mean giving money. It can also simply mean freeing trade.
and do you think we have the infrastructure in place to support the horde of Mexicans that would probably follow?
Should add a fifth option:
Leave them alone, let them fend for themselves. They were there long before the United States. If they had ever had any wherewithal, they would be equal to their Northrern neighbour and would not encourage their lower class to break the law of their neighbour.
If ignoring them doesn't work, crush them (economically) like a bug.
Leave them alone, let them fend for themselves. They were there long before the United States. If they had ever had any wherewithal, they would be equal to their Northrern neighbour and would not encourage their lower class to break the law of their neighbour.
If ignoring them doesn't work, crush them (economically) like a bug.
Well, most of our foreign relations deal with other human beings as well, but why should a special case be made for Mexico other then what we currently do via NAFTA or foreign aid?
You could always place restrictions before they enter Canadian soil. Among the three I'd expect would be:
1. they must pass an English or French language test, depending on the location,
2. they must receive a job offer, and
3. they must prove that they have room and board for the whole time they are in the US or Canada. They could even be required to pay the government a sum of money sufficient to pay a plane ticket back home before they come, with the government giving them that money back when they return. And of course they'd be expected to pay taxes like any other local.
I don't see what the issue with this would be, honestly.
And with freer trade, fewer of them are likely to be interested in crossing the border anyway.
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Really? Pull that heart out of your chest right now and stomp on it. You're not allowed to feel. :lol:
What you are suggesting is that we accept them here as unskilled labour. Stereotyping, aren't you?
Do we need more unskilled labour here?Build a wall that people can't cross. Allowing people to sneak across the border simply exacerbates the problem. Mexico gov't doesn't have to deal with the issue that way so it does little about people leaving. People see a better living across the border so they leave Mexico.
Primitivo Rodriguez, an advisor to the Mex. gov't and a member of the AFSC, said, "Until now the policy of the United States has not been to close the border to illegal migration, but to detour it. And by detouring it they have caused unprecedented levels of death, abuse and organized crime." So if you want to control the border, control all of it.
Jorges Santibanez, the pres. of the College of Northern Border, says, "For too long, Mexico has boasted about immigrants leaving, calling them national heroes, instead of describing them as actors in a national tragedy. And it has boasted about the growth of remittances as an indicator of success, when it is really an indicator of failure."
Not to mention that the illegal emigration is crappy for family life, Mexico's workforce, and the poorest Mexicans are too poor to emigrate, so you get the extremely poor, the rich, and what's left of the middle classes are families without wage earners.
A boost in their economy would help, too.
Primitivo Rodriguez, an advisor to the Mex. gov't and a member of the AFSC, said, "Until now the policy of the United States has not been to close the border to illegal migration, but to detour it. And by detouring it they have caused unprecedented levels of death, abuse and organized crime." So if you want to control the border, control all of it.
Jorges Santibanez, the pres. of the College of Northern Border, says, "For too long, Mexico has boasted about immigrants leaving, calling them national heroes, instead of describing them as actors in a national tragedy. And it has boasted about the growth of remittances as an indicator of success, when it is really an indicator of failure."
Not to mention that the illegal emigration is crappy for family life, Mexico's workforce, and the poorest Mexicans are too poor to emigrate, so you get the extremely poor, the rich, and what's left of the middle classes are families without wage earners.
A boost in their economy would help, too.
Machjo, what you recommend in your post #11 is perfectly valid.
Except that we do not live in a fantasy world.
Could you please enlighten us how to follow your suggestions in the REAL world, a world full of law-breakers, scufflaws and illegals?
Except that we do not live in a fantasy world.
Could you please enlighten us how to follow your suggestions in the REAL world, a world full of law-breakers, scufflaws and illegals?
Personally, I'm not so fond of giving Mexico foreign aid, as it increases their financial dependence on us. The only exception I might make is if that foreign aid is well controlled. For example, perhaps giving school vouchers to those between the ages of five and fifteen among the poorest of Mexicans. And even that I'm not sure of, but certainly that's as far as I'd go if we do provide foreign aid.
As for special cases, no I'm not in favour of a special case for Mexico. I could see this applying at a global level. But why not include Mexico?
Legalize banned drugs in Mexico which would convert drug lords into legitimate businessmen which would provide more high paying jobs to Mexicans which would draw the illegals who are in America back to Mexico which would in turn give America the motivation to invade Mexico take over the country then all the citizens of Mexico would become American citizens which would solve the illegal immigrant crises and America would be more wealthier because of the new construction to upgrade the territory of Mexico to American standards.
See the solution is so simple
See the solution is so simple
For Canada it would be a little easier owing to the US as a buffer zone. In fact, since Canada has no real issue here, it would be more of a matter of Canada simply giving the US a helping hand.
As for the US, if you should read my thread on a Marshall Plan for Mexico, you'll see that I'm also in favour of prison labour for illegals. It's essentially a mixture of carrots and sticks, a matter of giving Mexicans options, saying: if you really want to come, we won't say no, but you;ll have to meet certain requirements. First, learn the local language of the place you intend to go to. Then, go to the embassy to pass a language test and get a language certificate. Then get a job offer, perhaps online, or via a friend by phone, or though the newspapers, etc. Then ensure guaranteed accommodation for the time you're there, along with room and board. Either the employer, or a friend could help you unless you're rich yourself. And then pay the flight sum to the government and provide all the proof and then get a working permit. After that you can enter the US all you want for the duration of your contract. Then you can always renew your contract every year. This won't stop illegal immigration altogether, but it will reduce it considerably. Another possibility would be to make it illegal to refuse to speak to a police officer in the local official language. That would make it easier to spot at least the most obvious cases of illegal immigrants.