http://forums.canadiancontent.net/members/talloola.htmlTalloola any idea if Luongo is carrying a niggling injury or strain or is he just in a good old fashioned slump?. Hes looked pretty average the last few weeks.
How about them Canucks!
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I would say only the last 3 games, before that he was in
the zone most games.
No injury that I know of, he seems to be healthy.
If you go into the NHL.com website, and click on the heading that describes the Burrows incident and fine,
it is quite disgusting how they word the whole story,
and one ends up being told that the referee is beyond
reproach, and that burrows is at fault.
Now, I agree that he probably should have kept his cool
and reported incident privately, but I don't agree that
he 'lied', and the story insinuates that he did.
it is quite disgusting how they word the whole story,
and one ends up being told that the referee is beyond
reproach, and that burrows is at fault.
Now, I agree that he probably should have kept his cool
and reported incident privately, but I don't agree that
he 'lied', and the story insinuates that he did.
I see a lot in this post Juan, some I agree with, some I don't.
As far as a ref interacting with players, I think they have to, to a degree. They need to be extremely professional in how they conduct themselves, however. I also don't object to making most statements to the C & A's.
I agree that the ref is a game official and that is his role, not to be the star of the show, however fans are not usually very good judges of bias, as most of us see penalties according to our allegiances: we tend to be sticklers for the rules on the opposing teams and very forgiving for our favorites. One team earning 6 penalties vs their opponents 2 in a penalty does not mean bias, but more often a loss of composure by one team or just a disregard for the rules (sometimes both).
As for how the NHL worded their official view of the incident, how else would you expect them to react? Whether or not Auger did something wrong (and in the end its still his word against Burrows) an attack on the integrity of the official is an attack on the on the NHL itself. Of course they're going to spin it as hard as they can.
The ref should only be talking to the captain or the assistant captains.
If one team gets 6 penalties vs 2 for the other team, it is an indication of bias. It would be different if the refs called every infraction but they don't.. The refs call a only a small part of all the infractions that could be called. I would prefer that refs called everything. At least it would be fair.
I don't think there is a question on Auger's officiating. It was ugly, and it was biased.
I would have liked to see NHL take a more neutral approach
to the situation, and leave it, that it is just
one persons statement against the other, and move on,
but they pushed it too far to the side of the player being
the one who was 'mistaken', and that is wrong.
After all is said and done, ' burrows' would not have lied,
even though he made too much of a scene over it, should
have regained his composure and handled it properly.
It was obvious that referee was not going to disclose what
he actually said to burrows, that was a given, why would he
incriminate himself, as he could say anything he wanted,
and no one could prove him wrong.
It will be interesting to see if this referee is given any
playoff games when time comes, that will be an indicator
to us how his bosses (NHL), regard him.
This doesn't have anything to do with crowds not recognizing
penalties to their own teams, it is solely 'what that'
referee said to burrows before the game, irrespective of
what penalties he handed out or not, and the interference
penalty was obvious to 'anyone', as nothing happened there
at all, the 'diving' penalty was something that no one
could figure out, even the announcers on the radio and
tv, had to wait till they announced it, then there was
'still' some head scratching, the only thing we could find
after the fact was burrows grabbing the stick as he fell
down.
In this house we are very open minded regarding penalties,
and often criticize our own for putting our team short handed, and we do recognize what a player is doing when
he is going over the line.
Just as Juan said they only call a certain percentage of
infractions, as they would have whistles in their mouths
all night otherwise, so they do have to be fair, and the
games where one team receive many more than the other team,
one has to look through that game carefully and figure it
out, as one team doesn't 'usually' do a whole lot more than
the other, but can on occasion.
to the situation, and leave it, that it is just
one persons statement against the other, and move on,
but they pushed it too far to the side of the player being
the one who was 'mistaken', and that is wrong.
After all is said and done, ' burrows' would not have lied,
even though he made too much of a scene over it, should
have regained his composure and handled it properly.
It was obvious that referee was not going to disclose what
he actually said to burrows, that was a given, why would he
incriminate himself, as he could say anything he wanted,
and no one could prove him wrong.
It will be interesting to see if this referee is given any
playoff games when time comes, that will be an indicator
to us how his bosses (NHL), regard him.
This doesn't have anything to do with crowds not recognizing
penalties to their own teams, it is solely 'what that'
referee said to burrows before the game, irrespective of
what penalties he handed out or not, and the interference
penalty was obvious to 'anyone', as nothing happened there
at all, the 'diving' penalty was something that no one
could figure out, even the announcers on the radio and
tv, had to wait till they announced it, then there was
'still' some head scratching, the only thing we could find
after the fact was burrows grabbing the stick as he fell
down.
In this house we are very open minded regarding penalties,
and often criticize our own for putting our team short handed, and we do recognize what a player is doing when
he is going over the line.
Just as Juan said they only call a certain percentage of
infractions, as they would have whistles in their mouths
all night otherwise, so they do have to be fair, and the
games where one team receive many more than the other team,
one has to look through that game carefully and figure it
out, as one team doesn't 'usually' do a whole lot more than
the other, but can on occasion.
Talloola it is interesting that in the following game the Canucks were assessed seven penalties in the third period including four majors, by a different set of officials. I begin to wonder if all this isn't starting to get to Luongo. He did not look good in the second half of the third.
I thought of that too Juan, and he might have brought a
bit of baggage with him from previous game, as when
Burrows was being interviewed after previous game, Luongo
looked over at him and said "That's enough Burr", but that
didn't fiz on Burrows, he was on a roll, and very upset.
He'll be fine, will play saturday against Pittsburgh, then
they have a full 3 days layoff, so that will refresh him.
We can't expect him to play great all the time, he is human
and will have a few short lapses, just as other goalies do.
Looks like a bit of a change in tomorrows line up
Demitra will play on 3 rd line with wellwood and Bernier
Glass will drop to 4th line with ripien and hortichuk
Pittsburg are a very physical team, lots of hitting, sure
hope demitra makes it through the game OK, but on the other
hand, I hope somebody knocks cooke right into the next day.
Crosby scored one of the nicest goals the other day, he is
the 'complete' hockey player, one of the best technical
skaters in the NHL, and never stops trying, always shows
up, and his points total are right near the top now, so
if canucks don't get going, henrik will lose his top spot.
Ovetchkin is second now, with thornton right behind
him, and crosby close behind him.
Demitra will play on 3 rd line with wellwood and Bernier
Glass will drop to 4th line with ripien and hortichuk
Pittsburg are a very physical team, lots of hitting, sure
hope demitra makes it through the game OK, but on the other
hand, I hope somebody knocks cooke right into the next day.
Crosby scored one of the nicest goals the other day, he is
the 'complete' hockey player, one of the best technical
skaters in the NHL, and never stops trying, always shows
up, and his points total are right near the top now, so
if canucks don't get going, henrik will lose his top spot.
Ovetchkin is second now, with thornton right behind
him, and crosby close behind him.
great game for canucks tonight with the victory over Pittsburg.
I know they had a couple of rookie goalies in there, but
their team didn't do much to support them either, and
couldn't score more than 2 goals.
Henrik showed all of the hockey world why he is first in
the NHL, as he and danny and alex had a great game, and
burrows stripped gonchar of the puck very nicely and
scored a beautiful short handed goal, in his usual style
I was also very pleased to sit and watch vineault being
interviewed and listened very intently as he supported
burrows 100% concerning his run-in with the referee, good
for him and good for the canucks organization.
Next game is Wednesday, but they do have their skills
competition on Monday.
I know they had a couple of rookie goalies in there, but
their team didn't do much to support them either, and
couldn't score more than 2 goals.
Henrik showed all of the hockey world why he is first in
the NHL, as he and danny and alex had a great game, and
burrows stripped gonchar of the puck very nicely and
scored a beautiful short handed goal, in his usual style
I was also very pleased to sit and watch vineault being
interviewed and listened very intently as he supported
burrows 100% concerning his run-in with the referee, good
for him and good for the canucks organization.
Next game is Wednesday, but they do have their skills
competition on Monday.
What happened to Crosby, his body showed up but his mind sure didn't. Luongo gave up another pretty weak goal in the first. If they had Fleur playing things might have been different. Atleast the Sedin twins and Kesler seem to be back in the zone after their poor showings the last few games.
Canucks have 2 games off (Oilers/ Stars) then the Hawks hit town for what should be an amazing game. The 2 forwards of today - Sedins vs the 2 forwards of tomorrow in Toews and Kane.
Canucks have 2 games off (Oilers/ Stars) then the Hawks hit town for what should be an amazing game. The 2 forwards of today - Sedins vs the 2 forwards of tomorrow in Toews and Kane.
I just watched Ron MacLean in an interview with Colin Campbell. MacLean did a real number on Burroughs with video clips of Burrough's penalties etc. Vancouver coach Vineault backed up Burroughs which is not surprising when you consider that Burroughs is likely going to score over thirty goals this year. The last thing a coach wants to do is upset one of his star players because of an overzealous ref and a misguided tv personality.
What happened to pittsburghs ability to score goals, the
only player who seemed to be 'going' was malkin.
Their rookie goalies don't score goals for them, they can
only stop them.
I wish I had seen that interview between McLean and
Campbell, but I'm not surprised, first off, McLean is
a referee, and secondly, in the east they 'think' they
know about the west, as they spout off all the time on
HNIC about western hockey situations, and they are just
'guessing' most times, and don't have the facts, and in
this case, it's no different.
Campbell, but I'm not surprised, first off, McLean is
a referee, and secondly, in the east they 'think' they
know about the west, as they spout off all the time on
HNIC about western hockey situations, and they are just
'guessing' most times, and don't have the facts, and in
this case, it's no different.
The Avs are looking pretty solid atop of the NW div, bar injuries I doubt the Canucks or Calgary has what it takes to knock them off.
I don't know about that.. Colorado is only two points ahead of Vancouver and most everyone is healthy right now. One win over the Avs and the two teams are tied. Vancouver has scored fourteen more goals than Colorado and they've allowed fifteen fewer goals against.. I wouldn't bet a lot of money on the Avs over Vancouver right now.
Calgary haven't played anything like they played against
us, against anyone else. They really got themselves 'up'
for that game, it meant everything to them, and it was a
good game, they just played a little better than we did.
They can't score goals, but had a few tonight. The ending
of that game tonight was a 'frenzy', I thought the ducks
were going to get scored on, but they managed to hold them
off.
your right BEAUTIFUL
We still have more depth to pick up from as time goes along,
as grabner is still playing great with the moose, and
as long as we stay right in the pack, it is fine. It
keeps the team hungry, and doesn't allow them to get
'full' of themselves thinking they have it made, these
teams have to fight for every point in this division.