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[SirJosephPorter]

The problem with being "pushy" if you are going to do it you have to be prepared to do it for a long time. If you can just be determined in a more laid back manner, you come across as being more credible.

Not when you are trying to get the attention of the society, JLM. To get the attention, you have to be pushy, aggressive, in the face of the society. Indeed, that is how all the minority rights movements started, by being pushy, extreme to attract the attention of the majority. If women had politely, nicely asked for the vote, they may not have got it for several decades. It is when they adopted civil disobedience type of tactics, that their message was heard.

But if the movement remains the fringe movement without becoming moderate, it does not survive.

 

[JLM]

"Feminist movement started with Feminists burning their bras."- I'd say feminist movement started with them smoking in public, going after the vote, running for parliament, all of which happened decades before burning bras. As a matter of fact in those days they wore four or five layers of clothing over their bras, so there wasn't even a hint of any anatomical impropriety.

 

[countryboy]

Not when you are trying to get the attention of the society, JLM. To get the attention, you have to be pushy, aggressive, in the face of the society. Indeed, that is how all the minority rights movements started, by being pushy, extreme to attract the attention of the majority. If women had politely, nicely asked for the vote, they may not have got it for several decades. It is when they adopted civil disobedience type of tactics, that their message was heard.

But if the movement remains the fringe movement without becoming moderate, it does not survive.

I don't think that's always true. I remember Preston Manning as being persuasive, mannerly, composed, and unpushy, and he started the Reform movement on its way to ultimately becoming part of the governing party of Canada. But Reformers were definitely in the "vast minority" at the outset of the movement. Preston was, and is, the connsumate gentlemen. Refreshing.

 

[JLM]

I don't think that's always true. I remember Preston Manning as being persuasive, mannerly, composed, and unpushy, and he started the Reform movement on its way to ultimately becoming part of the governing party of Canada. But Reformers were definitely in the "vast minority" at the outset of the movement. Preston was, and is, the connsumate gentlemen. Refreshing.

Yep, old Preston (Bible thumper that he is) couldn't be accused of trying to ram it down your throat.

 

[countryboy]

"Feminist movement started with Feminists burning their bras."- I'd say feminist movement started with them smoking in public, going after the vote, running for parliament, all of which happened decades before burning bras. As a matter of fact in those days they wore four or five layers of clothing over their bras, so there wasn't even a hint of any anatomical impropriety.

Yeah, I recall something about an old gal named Nellie McClung in Manitoba getting involved in the women's movement way way back. The old high school in Manitou, Manitoba is named after her. And it ain't new...

 

[JLM]

Yeah, I recall something about an old gal named Nellie McClung in Manitoba getting involved in the women's movement way way back. The old high school in Manitou, Manitoba is named after her. And it ain't new...

If my memory is still functioning I seem to recall old Nellie being in her prime in 1919. (Probably even before there was such a thing as a bra) :lol::lol::lol:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I don't think that's always true. I remember Preston Manning as being persuasive, mannerly, composed, and unpushy, and he started the Reform movement on its way to ultimately becoming part of the governing party of Canada. But Reformers were definitely in the "vast minority" at the outset of the movement. Preston was, and is, the connsumate gentlemen. Refreshing.

That wasn’t a movement like the civil rights movement, countryboy. The disgruntled right wing of the PC party migrated en masse over to Reform, it was hardly a movement. Same when Reform people migrate to the Alliance (and later to conservative party en masse). The reform people were not fighting for equal rights. PC right wing was mad at Mulroney, so they decided to switch over to Reform.

There are no similarities between the Reform Party and black, female or gay civil rights movements.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

"Feminist movement started with Feminists burning their bras."- I'd say feminist movement started with them smoking in public, going after the vote, running for parliament, all of which happened decades before burning bras. As a matter of fact in those days they wore four or five layers of clothing over their bras, so there wasn't even a hint of any anatomical impropriety.

We could argue when the Feminist movement started, JLM and certainly women have been fighting for their rights since the Suffragette movement.

However, I think the present day Feminist movement started in the 70s, with the likes of Germaine Greer (‘The Female Eunuch’), Gloria Steinem and Betty Freidan (‘The Feminine Mystique’).

The Suffragette movement was strictly about getting women the vote, it did not address the issues such as employment discrimination, legal discrimination etc. Indeed, those issues could not be addressed until the vote had been obtained.

But after obtaining the vote, the Women’s Movement went quiescent for several decades. I think they took their cue from the black civil rights movement and they started fighting for equality in education, workplace, legal equality etc. So in my opinion, the modern day Feminist movement stared in the late 60s and the 70s, and bra burning was the seminal moment.

 

[countryboy]

If my memory is still functioning I seem to recall old Nellie being in her prime in 1919. (Probably even before there was such a thing as a bra) :lol::lol::lol:

Well, even if they had 'em, they probably weren't out talking about 'em!

 

[countryboy]

That wasn’t a movement like the civil rights movement, countryboy. The disgruntled right wing of the PC party migrated en masse over to Reform, it was hardly a movement. Same when Reform people migrate to the Alliance (and later to conservative party en masse). The reform people were not fighting for equal rights. PC right wing was mad at Mulroney, so they decided to switch over to Reform.

There are no similarities between the Reform Party and black, female or gay civil rights movements.

I disagree with the "no similarities" remark but it would be pointless to continue that discussion. We'd just make a lot of noise, probably offend a whole bunch of people, start a lot of off-topic screaming and yelling, and resolve nothing.

But do you agree that Preston Manning was a gentleman? :-|

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I disagree with the "no similarities" remark but it would be pointless to continue that discussion. We'd just make a lot of noise, probably offend a whole bunch of people, start a lot of off-topic screaming and yelling, and resolve nothing.

But do you agree that Preston Manning was a gentleman? :-|

Oh, he was a gentleman all right. He just wasn't the leader of a minority movement in the sense that black, women and gay civil rights movement are minority movements.

 

[AnnaG]

We could argue when the Feminist movement started, JLM and certainly women have been fighting for their rights since the Suffragette movement.

However, I think the present day Feminist movement started in the 70s, with the likes of Germaine Greer (‘The Female Eunuch’), Gloria Steinem and Betty Freidan (‘The Feminine Mystique’).

The Suffragette movement was strictly about getting women the vote, it did not address the issues such as employment discrimination, legal discrimination etc. Indeed, those issues could not be addressed until the vote had been obtained.

Since when is feminism defined by you, Pompass. Who says the right to vote isn't part of feminism?

But after obtaining the vote, the Women’s Movement went quiescent for several decades. I think they took their cue from the black civil rights movement and they started fighting for equality in education, workplace, legal equality etc. So in my opinion, the modern day Feminist movement stared in the late 60s and the 70s, and bra burning was the seminal moment.

So? Your opinion is to be written in stone? roflmao Your ego is as big as your a§§ and twice as inflated. And it's wrong, too. Women's Rights Movement in the U.S.: Timeline of Events (1848-1920) — Infoplease.com

 

[JLM]

Since when is feminism defined by you, Pompass. Who says the right to vote isn't part of feminism?

So? Your opinion is to be written in stone? roflmao Your ego is as big as your a§§ and twice as inflated. And it's wrong, too. Women's Rights Movement in the U.S.: Timeline of Events (1848-1920) — Infoplease.com

Women's rights movement probably started with Eve or at least with the first authenticated woman.